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what does the angel and agathion rings do?
Each adds summon monster options:
Angel (7200) adds cassian to summon monster III, movanic deva to summon monster VII, and monadic deva to summon monster VIII; additionally the wearer can summon a cassian 1/day.
Agathion (7700) adds silvanshee to summon monster III, vulpinal to summon monster V, avoral to summon monster VII, and leonal to summon monster VIII; additionally the wearer can summon a silvanshee 1/day.
All of the affinity rings have the same format, but with different creature options.
Thanks for the summary. He is your standard coldborn (skinwalker) tetori monk intent on bearhugging casters to death. He has maxed stealth and is our advanced scout.Okay, I have just done a really quick read through of all three and my initial impression is that they all have a different focus, even though they all grapple well. Short answer, I think that the Tetori is probably the better grappler in a normal combat scenario and I think he has better defenses while in a grapple than the other two, but then that ignores what the others bring to the table. The Bounty Hunter is better with inflicting non-lethal damage if you want to take someone alive and can do dirty tricks really well, but the Strangler can knock his opponent unconscious, can inflict sneak attack damage, and - at 16th level - kill them quickly. I don't think we can give you a good idea of which type of grappler is better without know what you are trying to get out of a grappler build.What makes the better grappler, the tetori, bounty hunter, or strangler?Still hoping for an answer to this. I have a tetori in a home game and my DM said it would be cool to switch things up but I really want to keep the flavor and be a master grappler.
Well, I think any of those three grapplers is going to be good for anti-caster grappling, but the tetori is probably going to be the fastest moving because of his monk movement bonus, while the bounty hunter could probably be the stealthiest thanks to the slayer's talents he can get and the slayer's stalker ability, though it does bear mentioning that the strangler adds stealth to his class skill list - but the tetori and bounty hunter already have it.
As to damage while in a grapple, I should mention that the bounty hunter can do a good amount thanks to his slayer base class abilities, but his abilities are all about taking his target alive by inflicting non-lethal sneak attack damage, incapacitating the target with dirty trick, and possibly knocking them out for 1d6 rounds with an ability that works like the slayer's Assassinate talent - only non-lethal.
The strangler has decent defense in a grapple in the form of no penalties to DEX while in a grapple and can still make AoO, but loses the brawler's AC bonus. I think the tetori does better on defense than the strangler while grappling.
Actually, the more I look at it all I am convinced that the tetori remains the king of the grapplers. The strangler and the bounty hunter aren't as concerned with grappling as much as they are taking someone alive or... well, strangling.
I might houserule that casters can grab add the creatures from a ring or two to their list.
Also, I asked this awhile back but it got buried in the dex to damage riots: How did the final warpriest and bloodrager turn out?
What is the Cavalier Order? Also any chance that the Bloodrager got something like Wildblood?The new Cavalier Order is the Order of the Beast.
So there is now two Order of the Beasts.
So there is now two Order of the Beasts.
If it bothers you, call the Inner Sea Combat one Order of the Rough Beast instead.
Does Mutagenic Mauler get a Feral Mutagen-like effect? What are the Beastmorph(?) abilities that someone mentioned it gets and when does it get them?
He can choose to gain feral mutagen at 10th level. He gains beastmorph at 4th level and they are just additional effects he gains during his mutagen. I explained the abilities up thread in more detail, but they are basically bonuses and enhancments to movement, climbing, and vision. It improves at levels 9, 13, and 18. He loses martial flexibility and his AC bonus to gain mutagen and beastmorph.
Also checked Book Depository and it also states that this book releases September 02 AND with a different hardcover than the one presented here.
Can anyone please enlighten me?
The hardcover in question is this one:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Q3ND2UNzL.jpg
I heard there was an issue with the cover of the PDFs, can any one tell me what that's about?
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Also checked Book Depository and it also states that this book releases September 02 AND with a different hardcover than the one presented here.
Can anyone please enlighten me?
The hardcover in question is this one:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Q3ND2UNzL.jpg
Same situation as with Amazon.
Retailers get placeholder cover artwork and the point when Paizo announces the book for distributors ... which is the point where Paizo doesn't have the final cover art yet but has to provide something so that stuff doesn't sit on websites with <blank> cover.
Of course, once the final art is ready Paizo sends it over to distributors, who are supposed to send it to retailers, who are supposed to update it. Which they almost never do until timely.
Besides, neither BD or Amazon deals with Paizo directly, they both go through distributors - Diamond/Alliance in case of Amazon and likely Esdevium in case of BD.
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Also checked Book Depository and it also states that this book releases September 02 AND with a different hardcover than the one presented here.
Can anyone please enlighten me?
The hardcover in question is this one:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Q3ND2UNzL.jpgSame situation as with Amazon.
Retailers get placeholder cover artwork and the point when Paizo announces the book for distributors ... which is the point where Paizo doesn't have the final cover art yet but has to provide something so that stuff doesn't sit on websites with <blank> cover.
Of course, once the final art is ready Paizo sends it over to distributors, who are supposed to send it to retailers, who are supposed to update it. Which they almost never do until timely.
Besides, neither BD or Amazon deals with Paizo directly, they both go through distributors - Diamond/Alliance in case of Amazon and likely Esdevium in case of BD.
My snark detector is picking up nothing in this post. I'm confused?
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I heard there was an issue with the cover of the PDFs, can any one tell me what that's about?You mean the fact that the physical copy shipped with the adventure path logo instead of the RPG logo? They made a blog post about it! :)
That's probably it. I don't read all the blogs, so I didn't catch it. I'll go check it out now.
Did the Oracle get any new mysteries?
Did the Sorcerer get anything good in this book?
No new Sorcerer bloodlines or Oracle mysteries:(
Oracle archetypes ???
Curses ???
Any new Oracle Curses then?
Did the Sorcerers get a way to increase their known spells?
Also, does the Shaman have winter or animal themed spirits?
I don't think I've seen anyone mention the White Mage archetype for the arcanist. Can anyone give us a quick overview.
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No new curses for oracles. :c
(begins to swear and curse through a megaphone in a thousand different tongues both ancient and blasphemous)
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On page 83, the last section of rules for the Bloodrider archetype just ends with, "This ability replaces the bloodline feat gained at." What's missing here?
On page 85, the proficiency section for the Steelbound archetype says "This replaces the bloodrager’s armor proficiency." It only mentions that he gets Heavy Armor proficiency in that section, though. This means that he does not get Light or Medium Armor proficiency, yet the Armored Swiftness ability specifically says it applies to Medium and Heavy Armor. Was this intended?
I don't think I've seen anyone mention the White Mage archetype for the arcanist. Can anyone give us a quick overview.
It swaps out the 1st & 9th level exploits for the ability to spend 1 or 5 points from the arcane reservoir to cast any cure spell or breath of life (using an appropriate spell slot), and adds a greater exploit that lets the white mage spend an arcane reservoir point to use a spell slot to give allies fast healing for Charisma rounds.
Interesting. Thanks for the reply.
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The shaman has a wave spirit that grants water/cold spells like wall of ice and hydraulic push. Also water/cold themed hexes. Beckoning chill is a hex you can get that causes enemies to be entangled if damaged by cold spells for 1 round and increases the duration of entangled for subsequent cold damage. Also the greater spirit ability is fluid mastery and gives you a 15ft cone of ice that does 1d4 per 2 shaman levels and pushes enemies back 5ft. At 20th level you get cold resistance 30 and can make any cold or water based spell enlarged stilled silenced or extended without those feats.
The nature spirit gives hexes like speak to animals, friend of animals (gives you summon nature's ally spells like a druid plus all animals in 30ft range get a sacred bonus based on your charisma. Your true spirit ability turns your spirit animal into an animal companion and at 20th level you get a magic cocoon ability that let's you permanently transform into animals, plants, or humanoids.
Perhaps you need to take another look. Instead of copying what the wizard does, the Sorcerer gets the Mongrel Mage which lets the sorcerer tamper with the very bloodline of her magic.Last set of reveals for the night, I really need to crash (so I can read in bed! Yay!).
The Sorcerer gets two new archetypes:
The amazingly named Eldritch Scrapper focuses on mixing the Brawler's talent for mayhem with natural attacks.
The Mongrel Mage (not making this up, I swear) is a sorcerer that has a weaker mix of different bloodlines instead of a single powerful bloodline.The Wizard gets three new archetypes:
The Exploiter Wizard gets in on the arcanist racket, gaining an arcane reservoir and arcanist exploits. I expect this to be a popular Wizard archetype.
The Spell Sage eschews the traditional focus on schools and instead studies specific spells and the spellcasting techniques of other classes, which allows him to tap into their spell lists (at a hefty action economy cost) a few times a day.
The Spirit Whisperer Wizard mixes witch and shaman elements - he gains a spellbook familiar like a witch, and a spirit link.So the Wizard can play with the Arcanist's stuff but not the Sorcerer? So lame. There goes the chance to play the type of Sorc I've wanted to play since I first read about the class in 3.0. <sigh>
Being able to use your innate connection to magic to bend the rules of magic? Nope. Exploits would be considered knowledge and the Sorc is the dumb brute of magic. But hey here's an archetype to punch people because that will go great with your 1/2 BAB you dumb brute Sorc.
/rant
Sorry. Thank you for the information Kudaku its great of you.
No, they got it right the first time. Wizards get access to Arcanist material such as Exploits, while Sorcerers do not. Mixing bloodlines has nothing to do with that. Even if you consider it tampering with magic because the player gets to mix bloodlines, it's not the sorcerer character tampering with magic, it just has a mix of magical heritages, not actively messing around with the fabric of magic.
I was just reading the Arcanist and came across some exploits that were not in the playtest:
Arcane Barrier
Arcane Weapon
Energy Shield
Familiar
Quick Study
Spell Resistance
Swift Consume
Furthermore, it appears that none were taken out from the playtest.
Also, I noticed that Bloodline Development has been modified. It can now get an arcane bonded item and lacks that language about getting hand of the apprentice.
Has anyone taken a look at the cutthroat slayer?He looks very Jack-the-Rippery to me. If there were ever an archetype for a serial killer, I would say that this is it. His abilities even sound like it with names like "Street Stalker", "Opportune Target", and "Stab and Grab".
What are the spiritualist and mastermind investigators like?The Spiritualist gives up using alchemy to learn secrets from the spirits of the dead in his investigations. He gains appropriately flavored spell-like abilities such as comprehend languages, augury, speak with dead, and others through the use of a new pool use ability called "Commune with Spirits". As he levels, he can spend more uses of this ability to gain bonuses against death effects, re-roll saving throws, and to AC, as well as a couple other little things. He will also need a good Wisdom for all this.
The Mastermind is really good with Diplomacy, Intimidate, or Knowledge skill checks and, with preparation, can assist allies with making their next Diplomacy and Intimidate checks within 24 hours. This can expand to other skills at 12th level, depending on the inspiration abilities he has. He can use inspiration with a defensive ability he gains at 4th level and gains an aptly named ability called "Impregnable Mind" at 9th level.
Thanks again to everyone dropping spoilers for those of us who still have to wait!You're welcome. I understand the feeling.
All super exciting! Thanks!
I was just reading the Arcanist and came across some exploits that were not in the playtest:
Arcane Barrier
Arcane Weapon
Energy Shield
Familiar
Quick Study
Spell Resistance
Swift ConsumeFurthermore, it appears that none were taken out from the playtest.
Also, I noticed that Bloodline Development has been modified. It can now get an arcane bonded item and lacks that language about getting hand of the apprentice.
So arcanists can now get familiars or a bonded object? Arcanist just moved up a step on my list of things to read first when I get thus book.
I'm curious about the Fated Champion Skald archetype... anyone willing to divulge some details? ;)
I'm particularly curious if any of the Skald archetypes replace damage reduction.
Fated Champion
Watcher of the weave- insight bonus equal to 1/2 skald level on initiative.
Far Seer- As spell kenning but treats future seeing(augury, divination, etc.) spells one level lower and damage dealing spells one level higher.
Shield of Foresight- immune to fear while using raging song, allies gain a +5 bonus vs fear as well.
Not This Day- use 10 rounds of Raging Song to reroll a save or force an enemy to reroll an attack roll.
I didn't see any Skald archetypes that replaced DR.
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Not This Day- use 10 rounds of Raging Song to reroll a save or force an enemy to reroll an attack roll.
*Re-roll save vs fear* *Re-roll sunder*
*Inspire Rage*
I would like details on the warsighted archetype. I heard (not sure where) that it's an oracle/brawler hybrid? Does it work out really well for melee oracles? Because I do love my melee oracles.
The Warsighted looses revelations of 1st, 7th, 11th, and 15th level to gain the Brawler's ability to gain the benefit of combat feats for a minute.
My friend, who works for the local game shop, says they just got them in, will be selling them Thursday on the street date.
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I suspect many GMs would agree, but at least this means you can make a Pharasmin who summons psychopomps in PFS, for example.
Also, you missed Leshies.
I go on holiday for 2 weeks and over 1200 posts are made. Typical.
Can someone summarise please?
Pretty please?
I promise to say thank you!
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I go on holiday for 2 weeks and over 1200 posts are made. Typical.
Can someone summarise please?
Pretty please?
I promise to say thank you!
Let me explain.. No, there is too much. Let me sum up: This book is made of awesome.
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Can someone summarise please?
Slashing Grace is a little borked, but go elsewhere to discuss it. Seriously, don't even ask what I mean. Just go.
There are lots of feats and archetypes that let characters dip into other classes' powers. For instance, there's a feat for a 1/day Martial Versatility, there's a feat for CHA to saves, there's a feat for a 1/day domain power, etc. There's a fighter archetype that drops Armor Training for mutagens and a short list of alchemist discoveries (such as Wings), stuff like that. And some magic items to get in on modifications as well, like rings for adding certain creatures to summon lists.
Plus lots more.
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Ah...the feats Twist Away and Steadfast Personality help the Swashbuckler's single high saving throw. I wouldn't say entirely but if you want to shore up those defenses they do a pretty neat job of it. Interesting!
First off: awesome avatar. ;)
Secondly: I think Steadfast Personality has already been discussed. Curious if you (or anyone else for that matter) can elaborate on what Twist Away does?
Monks can get pounce and clustered shot. Animal companions can get pounce. Summoned creatures can get pounce. Mutagens for fighters, crossbows for gunslingers, divine grace for oracles, bloodline powers for barbarians, rage powers for bloodragers, arcane exploits for wizards, mutable domain spells for clerics, panache for cavaliers, more discoveries for alchemists, sneak attack for inquisitors, and money for Paizo.
Monks can get pounce and clustered shot. Animal companions can get pounce. Summoned creatures can get pounce. Mutagens for fighters, crossbows for gunslingers, divine grace for oracles, bloodline powers for barbarians, rage powers for bloodragers, arcane exploits for wizards, mutable domain spells for clerics, panache for cavaliers, more discoveries for alchemists, sneak attack for inquisitors, and money for Paizo.
technically everyone can get pounce now, monks and brawlers get it early.
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Monks can get pounce and clustered shot. Animal companions can get pounce. Summoned creatures can get pounce. Mutagens for fighters, crossbows for gunslingers, divine grace for oracles, bloodline powers for barbarians, rage powers for bloodragers, arcane exploits for wizards, mutable domain spells for clerics, panache for cavaliers, more discoveries for alchemists, sneak attack for inquisitors, and money for Paizo.technically everyone can get pounce now, monks and brawlers get it early.
Is the pounce and clustered shots mechanic in Pummeling Style restricted to unarmed strikes only?
Nope. Pouncing Paladins away!
** spoiler omitted **I suspect many GMs would agree, but at least this means you can make a Pharasmin who summons psychopomps in PFS, for example.
Also, you missed Leshies.
Very true. I don't understand why there isn't some sort of trait or feat for this in PFS. Then again, I'd have written summon monster I and on as a summoning spell with empty slots (to be filled with monsters from a large list) that could be expanded by a high CON (scarred orc witches)/INT/WIS/CHA score. 3.5 compatability I suppose...
** spoiler omitted **I suspect many GMs would agree, but at least this means you can make a Pharasmin who summons psychopomps in PFS, for example.
Also, you missed Leshies.
Very true. I don't understand why there isn't some sort of trait or feat for this in PFS. Then again, I'd have written summon monster I and on as a summoning spell with empty slots (to be filled with monsters from a large list) that could be expanded by a high CON (scarred orc witches)/INT/WIS/CHA score. 3.5 compatability I suppose...
It's not a compatibility thing. It's a 'bounded power level' thing. Summon spells might not be the most powerful spells of their level, but they are very versatile, since you can pick the monster best for your situation, or get the benefit of some of those creatures SLAs.
Keeping to the published list keeps the spells from expanding every time a monster book comes out (and saves the author developing said monster book from having to figure out if and at what level to add their new Outsider tot he summon lists.)
I think there are some God articles that expand the summon list for their clerics. A feat would probably be an adequate way to ensure that characters are paying for the versatility of adding more monsters to their summon list, but a little wealth and an item slot isn't terribly wrong either.