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The Witch gains two new archetypes: Hex Channeler (Life/Death Witch, gains Channel Energy) and Mountain Witch (Crossover to Shaman).
That's it for the Witch? If there's any class that could use more solid archetypes, it's the Witch. This is disappointing...
Are there any new hexes or patron themes at least?
I know. I was hoping for a gun-toting Witch archetype...so that I could make Bayonetta.
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Anybody care to spoil some details for it?
That's the one I spoiled here that gets rapier training and a bigger panache pool.
The Witch gains two new archetypes: Hex Channeler (Life/Death Witch, gains Channel Energy) and Mountain Witch (Crossover to Shaman).
That's it for the Witch? If there's any class that could use more solid archetypes, it's the Witch. This is disappointing...
Are there any new hexes or patron themes at least?
There are now 29 classes in the game and the new classes get archetype preference since they have nothing save whats within the book. As a result, every other class is limited to a single page of new content. Most classes have two archetypes and those that get something "new" often sacrifice an archetype to get it. For example, the magus gets two new arcana and only one archetype and the cavalier gets one order and one archetype.
In my opinion, the shinning star for new mechanics design older classes goes to the gunslinger. They get an awesome new mechanic called dares, which give the gunslinger a special benefit whenever they run out of grit for their grit pools. (Swashbucklers can take them as well.) Most of the dares include a way that the swashbuckler can quickly regain a single point of grit. My favorite is called "Run Like Hell," which gives you a speed boost and returns grit when you use the run action to run more than 100 feet away from the fray. In many ways, its like "Bardic Masterpieces" for gunslingers.
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Has anyone with the pdf looked at the chapter with the class creation guidelines in it, and if so what are they like?
What about antipaladins? Does the ACG give them any new twisted, murderous archetypes? :)
I'm curious what does the Mutation Warrior have to give up from Fighter?
And are there any new discoveries that look good for that archetype?
drops armor training and its upgrades. most of the discoveries they can take are the ones that enhance mutagen but there's a few that don't, vistigil arms, wings, tentacle.
What about antipaladins? Does the ACG give them any new twisted, murderous archetypes? :)
No Anti-paladin stuff
The Witch gains two new archetypes: Hex Channeler (Life/Death Witch, gains Channel Energy) and Mountain Witch (Crossover to Shaman).
That's it for the Witch? If there's any class that could use more solid archetypes, it's the Witch. This is disappointing...
Are there any new hexes or patron themes at least?
There are now 29 classes in the game and the new classes get archetype preference since they have nothing save whats within the book. As a result, every other class is limited to a single page of new content. Most classes have two archetypes and those that get something "new" often sacrifice an archetype to get it. For example, the magus gets two new arcana and only one archetype and the cavalier gets one order and one archetype.
I understand the new classes need priority as far as space and content, but the limited space the other classes get should be put to the best use and offer what's missing as options for those classes.
In the case of the Witch, that would be archetypes. We only have what's in UM (maybe a race specific one in ARG) and to be honest, they are not that great, and miss some of the classic (and obvious) themes you'd think of for Witch archetypes- Curses, turning highborns into ugly critters, full moon rituals, bewitching hexes and spells focused on mind and emotional effects, and so on... For the most part you can do all that with the base class, but archetypes give focus to different class aspects.
But yeah, I get there's only so much one book can include and everyone is going to have something that's not in the book that they were hoping for. This one is mine.
Has anyone with the pdf looked at the chapter with the class creation guidelines in it, and if so what are they like?
I'm pretty curious about that myself.
No samurai or ninja stuff
No samurai or ninja stuff
Technically Samurai can grab Cav orders.
I think Ninjas can get some rogue talents too. Any Rogue Talents?
No samurai or ninja stuffTechnically Samurai can grab Cav orders.
I think Ninjas can get some rogue talents too. Any Rogue Talents?
nope, or at least if there are there not in the rogue section.
nope, or at least if there are there not in the rogue section.No samurai or ninja stuffTechnically Samurai can grab Cav orders.
I think Ninjas can get some rogue talents too. Any Rogue Talents?
How about Slayer talents that rogues are allowed to take?
How about Slayer talents that rogues are allowed to take?nope, or at least if there are there not in the rogue section.No samurai or ninja stuffTechnically Samurai can grab Cav orders.
I think Ninjas can get some rogue talents too. Any Rogue Talents?
Everything that the rogue gets is on that one-page spread that Tels linked a few pages back. As I mentioned earlier, all of the base and core classes have one page of content. Nothing more, nothing less.
How about Slayer talents that rogues are allowed to take?
not seeing anything that lets a rogue take slayer talents, wouldnt suprise me if we get something like that in a future product though
actully you'd be surprised,between the 2 feats that let you use reflex saves in place of fort and will saves, amiture swashbuckler, the feat chain that gives studied combat, and the archtype that gives sneak attack and int to damage with splash weapons, the rouge has some new toys to play with. Probably not enough for most people to see the rouge as 'viable' but at least they got stuff.
edit: was in response to a ,now deleted, post about the rogue
I'm surprised no one has said anything about the unlettered arcanist.
Does anyone know if the Feral Hunter archetype still gets it's teamwork feats?
In the case of the Witch, [the books] miss some of the classic (and obvious) themes you'd think of for Witch archetypes- Curses, turning highborns into ugly critters, full moon rituals, bewitching hexes and spells focused on mind and emotional effects, and so on...** spoiler omitted **
Thanks man!
Does anyone know if the Feral Hunter archetype still gets it's teamwork feats?
far as I can tell they get one less but still otherwise get them as bonus feats.
I'm surprised no one has said anything about the unlettered arcanist.
It doesn't look like there's a way to gain hexes as an arcanist, so it's being overlooked since a lot of people grab the witch for hexes alone (from what I've read, at least). As written, someone will probably read the mechanics as if they can gain a familiar and a bonded item (through the bloodline exploit).
I'm surprised no one has said anything about the unlettered arcanist.
It seems like a bit of a niche archetype to me - Apart from RP reasons or if I really want to play a specialized debuffer, I'd take the wizard list over the witch list every day of the week.
Normally I wouldn't mind the more limited/specialized list while playing a witch since I also get hexes, but... Yeah.
I'm surprised no one has said anything about the unlettered arcanist.It seems like a bit of a niche archetype to me - Apart from RP reasons or if I really want to play a specialized debuffer, I'd take the wizard list over the witch list every day of the week.
Normally I wouldn't mind the more limited/specialized list while playing a witch since I also get hexes, but... Yeah.
Patron access is also unavailable to the archetype, so that's probably another reason to put people off.
If it's increasing your Strength by 6, you'd gain Fast Healing 6. It cares about the Strength bonus you're getting, not the modifier.
I wish Pummeling Style wasn't a style. It seems like Monk's Clustered Shots, and as is there doesn't seem to be any way to combine it with other styles.
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I wish Pummeling Style wasn't a style. It seems like Monk's Clustered Shots, and as is there doesn't seem to be any way to combine it with other styles.
The Master of Many Style's Fuse Style ability (which he gets at level 1!) would like to have a word with you.
Gogo Dragon Style+Pummeling Style monk.
I guess you could skip FoB with MoMS. But then you won't have another attack for so long ._.
I guess you could skip FoB with MoMS. But then you won't have another attack for so long ._.Nothing is stopping you from multiclassing with brawler now, which has brawler's flurry. They removed that restriction from the playtest.
do brawler and monk levels stack for brawlers fury?
So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?
I guess you could skip FoB with MoMS. But then you won't have another attack for so long ._.Nothing is stopping you from multiclassing with brawler now, which has brawler's flurry. They removed that restriction from the playtest.
This, or in theory, sink a feat or two into Two-weapon fighting :P Not sure if it's totally RAW legal, but I had a DM sign off on it for my MoMS monk. Still not as many as flurry, enough.
So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?
They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
I would love to know how Investigators can use studied strike and studied combat with ranged attacks. Does it require feats, uses of inspiration, or an archetype. And if it is an archetype, what do you give up?
So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.
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I would love to know how Investigators can use studied strike and studied combat with ranged attacks. Does it require feats, uses of inspiration, or an archetype. And if it is an archetype, what do you give up?
Studied Combat: "Upon doing so, he adds 1/2 his investigator level as an insight bonus on melee attack rolls"
Studied Strike: ".. upon successfully hitting his studied target with a melee attack, to deal additional damage."
The vanilla investigator as well as any of the archetypes that give ranged weapon abilities (the steel hound and guns) don't allow either to be used for ranged attacks.
There is a feat called Ranged Study, which requires Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon that grants the ability to use studied combat and studied strike within 30ft with that chosen weapon. It says "choose a kind of ranged weapon" - uncertain if you can say "bows" or if you need to say "composite longbow" specifically.
Since studied combat/studied strike both come into play at 4th level, I suppose this means any race can be a ranged investigator by paying the requisite tax of 2 feats (Weapon Focus, Ranged Study).
Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
It would help...also I forgot to mention they loose heavy and medium armor prof....
That kinda sucks. Two feats just to use Studied Combat with ranged weapons? On top of all the feats you need to be an effective archer? Not worth it.
It would help...also I forgot to mention they loose heavy and medium armor prof....Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
Not too much of a cavalier then. :(