Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Class Guide (OGL)

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A New Breed of Hero

Adventure like never before with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Class Guide! Explore new heights of heroism with 10 new base classes, each with 20 levels of amazing abilities. Incredible powers also await existing characters, with more than a hundred new archetypes and class options. Prepare characters for their most legendary adventure ever with massive selections of never-before-seen spells, magic items, and more!

The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Class Guide is a must-have companion volume to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 15 years of system development and an open playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium.

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Class Guide includes:

  • Ten new base classes—the magic-twisting arcanist, the ferocious bloodrager, the cunning investigator, the daring swashbuckler, the formidable warpriest, and others.
  • Variant class abilities and thematic archetypes for all 29 base classes, such as the counterfeit mage and the mutagenic mauler.
  • Nearly a hundred new feats for characters of all classes, including style feats, teamwork feats like Coordinated Shot, and more.
  • Hundreds of new spells and magic items, such as feast on fear and skullcrusher gauntlets.
  • An entire armory of amazing equipment, from vital new adventuring gear to deadly alchemical weapons.
  • ... and much, much more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-671-3

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Not so hung up on editing

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This was worth it simply for the Arcanist and the Investigator. Ended up liking the Bloodrager and Slayer a lot, too. With a bit of house ruling, the Swashbuckler work just fine.


Good content, poor execution

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I'm pretty happy with the amount of content this book offers; there are plenty of new options for all classes, the 'new hybrid classes' are somewhat exciting, and there is a bit of slightly useful info on writing up new classes, archetypes, and PrC's...

That being said, I consider myself fortunate to have only purchased the pdf. The great number of errors, clunky wording, and poor organization of the book tears my rating down to 2 stars. The classes are either poorly constructed hybrids of old classes, polished up versions of old ideas, or easily broken. Most of the archetypes for old classes are interesting, though the ATs for the new classes are underwhelming and typically underperform compared to the base class. We'll be using it in my games, though there will be some home-brew fixes and alterations.

Wait to buy a hard copy until it gets a good edit.


Meh.

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The book is filled with important editing issues, lots of balance problems but what more bore me are the uninspired mechanics. The base classes have just too much recycling.

For the price I suppose the PDF is Ok, I would not buy the hardcover until there is a major revision in the editing coupled with several erratas.


a diamond in the rough

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An awesome piece of work, I will enjoy playing my ACG characters, But it could really have used quite a bit more time in the editing department. (there are mistakes and things that just make no sense everywhere, like giving a Skald stringed instruments instead of wind instruments, or archetypes that do what they are supposed to specialize in a lot worse than the basic class does)


BRAWLER!!!!!!!!

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SO I mean I love this book it has the Brawler man finally a kickass unarmed MMA warrior whu isnt some wuxia eastern nonsense!!! And Captain America archetype how cool is that? But I knock off a star because man, guys, hire more editors because whovever missed that error on the cover really needs a new pair of glasess lol, I know I make mistakes but nobody pays me not to do them XD


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mach1.9pants wrote:
Rysky wrote:
zergtitan wrote:

I don't think if anyone noticed but, All of the Iconics have been revealed.

Partially

Dat Warpriest Greatsword :D
Do you think he (I guess it is a he, no idea) is overcompensating for something else?

If so, what's up with the female iconic barbarian? Envy?

Grand Lodge

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Who knows, I wouldn't dare to ask!


Tirisfal wrote:

Calling it, from left to right:

** spoiler omitted **

I think your right for the most part but I think that.

Spoiler:
#2 is actually a female halfling Arcanist, #4 Human(maybe Osirion?) Slayer, #5 Female Dwarf Shaman


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Interesting picture though I wish it was better quality, I can barely see the Halfling.

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@ Dread Knight

#4 human looks Keleshite to me (Osirioni not being an ethnicity). Male Keleshite (to counterpart Kyra) is one of the missing ethnicities IIRC. Though being of medium skin tone, could also be Varisian.


Just three more months!

Three very long months.


That is a gorgeous cover which is going a long way to selling a copy to me. Goes to show how art/presentation can influence consumer choice.


I think some of the Reaper Kickstarter people will be looking forward to re-enacting this cover.


Will McCardell wrote:

Just three more months!

Three very long months.

Agree. I do hope they start giving us some minor spoilers.

Nice cover, but I had hoped for more Iconics. Is that a female swashbuckler? She looks a bit like marilyn manson.


Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:
mach1.9pants wrote:
Rysky wrote:
zergtitan wrote:

I don't think if anyone noticed but, All of the Iconics have been revealed.

Partially

Dat Warpriest Greatsword :D
Do you think he (I guess it is a he, no idea) is overcompensating for something else?
If so, what's up with the female iconic barbarian? Envy?

"Small Breasts"?


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Guy St-Amant wrote:
Elghinn Lightbringer wrote:
mach1.9pants wrote:
Rysky wrote:
zergtitan wrote:

I don't think if anyone noticed but, All of the Iconics have been revealed.

Partially

Dat Warpriest Greatsword :D
Do you think he (I guess it is a he, no idea) is overcompensating for something else?
If so, what's up with the female iconic barbarian? Envy?

"Small Breasts"?

Well at least they don't get in the way of her sword swing.


Pathfinder Companion, Lost Omens Subscriber

Counterfeit Mage archetype, maybe this will be an archetype for rogues.


I’m really hoping for an archer Bard archetype and a Skald archetype that get inspire courage.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Dat wolf, though. Hope the hunter that's with her is a bit more pumped up.


Beautiful cover! So that's the swashbuckler and... warpriest, or bloodrager?


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It is not the Warpriest since he is a half-orc though more then likely he is the Bloodrager.


The general consensus seems to be Bloodrager or Shaman. Personally I'm leaning towards Bloodrager.


Could be the arcanist.

They did say their goal was a new direction for arcane casters.


Does the arcanist use int or charisma? It was int in the playtest, wasn't it?


Zark wrote:
Does the arcanist use int or charisma? It was int in the playtest, wasn't it?

Int for spellcasting, Cha for arcane reservoir and arcane exploits.


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We already know a couple names! The warpriest is names Oloch, and the swashbuckler is named Jirelle. We don't know alignments yet, though.


Has anyone found a clearer screenshot of the group ?

It's so bloody hard to make out details on some of them :(


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Hey nighttree, I sent you an unrelated PM...


Evan Tarlton wrote:
We already know a couple names! The warpriest is names Oloch, and the swashbuckler is named Jirelle. We don't know alignments yet, though.

Oloch is Chaotic Neutral. I don't know for certain, but he's the iconic warpriest of Gorum; what other alignment could he be? You can bet your beard on it.


Axial wrote:
Evan Tarlton wrote:
We already know a couple names! The warpriest is names Oloch, and the swashbuckler is named Jirelle. We don't know alignments yet, though.
Oloch is Chaotic Neutral. I don't know for certain, but he's a warpriest of Gorum; what other alignment could he be? You can bet your beard on it.

Chaotic Good, Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Evil or Neutral...


Guy St-Amant wrote:
Axial wrote:
Evan Tarlton wrote:
We already know a couple names! The warpriest is names Oloch, and the swashbuckler is named Jirelle. We don't know alignments yet, though.
Oloch is Chaotic Neutral. I don't know for certain, but he's a warpriest of Gorum; what other alignment could he be? You can bet your beard on it.

Chaotic Good, Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Evil or Neutral...

He *can* be those alignments, but he's not just a warpriest of Gorum, he's THE warpriest of Gorum. I don't thing Paizo would make him anything other then CN.

I could be wrong!


James Jacobs mentioned that the Warpriest, like Clerics, will need to match the alignment of their God*. Clerics can be one step different in alignment, but he says these are very rare and should be restricted to either special NPCs or PC characters.

* This refers to Golarion, but not Pathfinder as a whole.


Hey, just noticed the cover is a reversal of the CRB, seeing as they are almost aligned at the top of my page - female champion in front, male behind rather than Valeros in front with Seoni behind; dragon attacking from right rather than left...


Oceanshieldwolf wrote:
Hey, just noticed the cover is a reversal of the CRB, seeing as they are almost aligned at the top of my page - female champion in front, male behind rather than Valeros in front with Seoni behind; dragon attacking from right rather than left...

That's a good ovservation! Wonder if it was intentional...


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*photoshop ACG cover next to CRB cover. Image created blew mind*


zergtitan wrote:
*photoshop ACG cover next to CRB cover. Image created blew mind*

Share?


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This is just a shot in the dark here but is anyone else aside from me hoping we'll get a few more Oracle curses in this book?


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Berselius wrote:
This is just a shot in the dark here but is anyone else aside from me hoping we'll get a few more Oracle curses in this book?

You are not alone.


Tels wrote:
zergtitan wrote:
*photoshop ACG cover next to CRB cover. Image created blew mind*
Share?

Not sure what he means

Tried it myself (hope the link works)


Threeshades wrote:
Tels wrote:
zergtitan wrote:
*photoshop ACG cover next to CRB cover. Image created blew mind*
Share?

Not sure what he means

Tried it myself (hope the link works)

Well, on the cover, each dragon is 'on' a hill. So if you were to reverse one of the covers, and then slid it up to the appropriate side of the other cover, you get one 'big' hill that has two dragons on it being assault from flanking positions by a party of pesky adventurers.


They still don't really connect even if one is mirrored.


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Zark wrote:
Berselius wrote:
This is just a shot in the dark here but is anyone else aside from me hoping we'll get a few more Oracle curses in this book?
You are not alone.

Indeed, we keep getting new oracle mysteries, but rarely new oracle curses, so I'm hoping they'll take this an an opportunity to expand the number of curses available. I'd also kind of like a feat that lets anyone get an oracle curse at their character level -3...much like Animal Ally can net you an animal companion and Eldritch Heritage can net you a number of interesting abilities. After all, persistently cursed characters are definitely thematic, but you don't always want them to be oracles...

Of course, I'm also hoping for some new eidolon evolutions for the summoner, preferably some that can make eidolons that aren't huge more competitive...but given how many people seem to hate summoners, I might be alone on that one.

More witch hexes would be cool too. And alchemist discoveries that continue to embrace body modification. And...well, you get the idea! Definitely be fun to see all the new options in this book, regardless...and the finished versions of the new classes. Especially bloodrager.


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I hope we do get new oracle curses, at least finish the mute curse.


Luthorne wrote:
Zark wrote:
Berselius wrote:
This is just a shot in the dark here but is anyone else aside from me hoping we'll get a few more Oracle curses in this book?
You are not alone.

Indeed, we keep getting new oracle mysteries, but rarely new oracle curses, so I'm hoping they'll take this an an opportunity to expand the number of curses available. I'd also kind of like a feat that lets anyone get an oracle curse at their character level -3...much like Animal Ally can net you an animal companion and Eldritch Heritage can net you a number of interesting abilities. After all, persistently cursed characters are definitely thematic, but you don't always want them to be oracles...

Of course, I'm also hoping for some new eidolon evolutions for the summoner, preferably some that can make eidolons that aren't huge more competitive...but given how many people seem to hate summoners, I might be alone on that one.

More witch hexes would be cool too. And alchemist discoveries that continue to embrace body modification. And...well, you get the idea! Definitely be fun to see all the new options in this book, regardless...and the finished versions of the new classes. Especially bloodrager.

I wouldn't mind some more mysteries. I hope we (eventually) get some sort of 'Travel' Mystery that grants fly, Dimension Door, Teleport, Greater and other kind of useful movement spells. Perhaps Wind Walk as a 5th level spell and Plane Shift as a SU? And perhaps some new cool spell.


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I’m looking forward to trying out the Arcanist. From what I understand, he prepares his spells for the day, but can cast any of those prepared spells any number of times up to his number of slots (similar to a Sorcerer in that regards)?


Hobbun wrote:
I’m looking forward to trying out the Arcanist. From what I understand, he prepares his spells for the day, but can cast any of those prepared spells any number of times up to his number of slots (similar to a Sorcerer in that regards)?

Yup! I'm playing the playtest Arcanist in a S&S campaign at the moment and I'm really enjoying the spellcasting mechanic. Less micromanagement than a wizard and less rigid than a sorcerer.

The only thing I'm missing is a bit more endurance at the low levels. I kind of hope the elemental exploits will become be more viable for low-level play when you quickly run out of spell slots akin to Conjuration's Acid Dart or Evocation's Force Missile.


They had a number of abilities for that, Kudaku, but it required you to focus on Charisma as well, so most of the heavy hitter builds didn't make use of them.

Well, most of the theorycraft heavy hitter builds, at least.


Cheapy wrote:

They had a number of abilities for that, Kudaku, but it required you to focus on Charisma as well, so most of the heavy hitter builds didn't make use of them.

Well, most of the theorycraft heavy hitter builds, at least.

The problem was that it forced the Arcanist to be pretty MAD (for a caster), which meant the Arcanist had less spells perday, his spell DCs were low, his Exploit DCs were low and the duration of some of this Exploits were low.

All-in-all it was just generally better to have only a low-to-moderate Charisma, and selecting Exploits that didn't interact with Charisma (like the Potent Magic exploit).


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Tels wrote:
Cheapy wrote:

They had a number of abilities for that, Kudaku, but it required you to focus on Charisma as well, so most of the heavy hitter builds didn't make use of them.

Well, most of the theorycraft heavy hitter builds, at least.

The problem was that it forced the Arcanist to be pretty MAD (for a caster), which meant the Arcanist had less spells perday, his spell DCs were low, his Exploit DCs were low and the duration of some of this Exploits were low.

All-in-all it was just generally better to have only a low-to-moderate Charisma, and selecting Exploits that didn't interact with Charisma (like the Potent Magic exploit).

Well, another part of the problem is that people think casters are MAD if they need more than one attribute :)

But yea, they didn't quite hit the balance point with Int / Cha where it was actually a great idea to focus in Cha. Maybe they changed that a bit.

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Hoping the bloodrager and shaman get some more bloodlines and spirits going for them.

I know I'm in the minority for liking familiars, but I rather like them getting unique buffs according to the spirit that was chosen.


Cheapy wrote:

They had a number of abilities for that, Kudaku, but it required you to focus on Charisma as well, so most of the heavy hitter builds didn't make use of them.

Well, most of the theorycraft heavy hitter builds, at least.

I'm not quite sure what abilities you're thinking of?

My Arcanist has a charisma of 16 so if there are charisma-dependent exploits that helps me gain some extra endurance I missed I'd love to know about them :)

I was thinking of things like Flame Arc/Acid Jet/Lightning Lance, which requires you to expend a point from your arcane reservoir. At level 1 your arcane reservoir is (1 + 1/2 level) for a grand total of 1. It goes up to 2 at level 2 and 3 at level 4. You can burn spell slots to replenish your reservoir, but that's not really helping you stay in the fight longer.

In comparison Arcane Dart and Force Missile can be used 3 + intelligence modifier / day, or ~7 times per day at level 1, without touching your spells.

I find the elemental powers interesting, but I can use them very rarely and I generally feel I am better off using the reservoir for increasing caster level or spell DCs. If the elemental options were rebalanced to work more like school powers they might add some extra options without draining the reservoir.


Cheapy wrote:
Tels wrote:
Cheapy wrote:

They had a number of abilities for that, Kudaku, but it required you to focus on Charisma as well, so most of the heavy hitter builds didn't make use of them.

Well, most of the theorycraft heavy hitter builds, at least.

The problem was that it forced the Arcanist to be pretty MAD (for a caster), which meant the Arcanist had less spells perday, his spell DCs were low, his Exploit DCs were low and the duration of some of this Exploits were low.

All-in-all it was just generally better to have only a low-to-moderate Charisma, and selecting Exploits that didn't interact with Charisma (like the Potent Magic exploit).

Well, another part of the problem is that people think casters are MAD if they need more than one attribute :)

But yea, they didn't quite hit the balance point with Int / Cha where it was actually a great idea to focus in Cha. Maybe they changed that a bit.

Well for me, I love the idea of a smart, and charismatic caster, so the Arcanist really fills that niche for me in a way that a Smart Sorc, or Charismatic Wizard don't. The problem, is I also want a decent Con and Dex, tough to do on a 15-pt buy without just outright trashing Str and Wis.


Hopefully they made it a charisma caster. That would fix the problem and it kind of makes sense to have a spontaneous caster us charisma.


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Splitting the class between Intelligence and Charisma is a great way to balance it out with the more single-minded wizard/sorcerer. However, they need to place more incentive in the class to invest in Charisma - ideally through the implementation of the arcane reservoir.


If they make it truly a split Int/Cha class, then they need to make those exploits worth the lowered intelligence meaning the Arcanist has lowered DC and even less slots per day.

Perhaps something akin to the Magus' spell recall ability.

[Edit] Maybe something like:

Fluid Spells Your spells are fluid and susceptible to change. An arcanist can spend one point from his arcane reservoir to re-prepare one of his spells; he loses the prepared spell, replacing it with the new one. An arcanist can only swap a spell of each level once each day. For example, at 4th level you can swap 1 cantrip, 1 first level spell and 1 second level spell each day.

Greater Fluid Spells Whenever an arcanist uses his fluid spells ability, he can instead change each spell slot once per day.

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Put these two abilities in at an appropriate level, and you really kind of feel like more of an Arcane Hacker.

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