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We did actually have Wood Kineticist and Necromancer together in the playtest, and let's just say it's a good thing thralls are only difficult terrain now!
Looks like we have thrall creation, misleading enemies using thralls as bait, attacking with thralls, narrative justification for only attacking with one thrall when two were created (Puppeteer benefit), creative use of the Bones subclass focus spell, and a good example of combining important bones and disposable thralls narratively on a character. Possibly the Bone Speaker feat at play too. Usharak showing himself to very much not be above using evil ends while still not harming innocents (that we see) is a nice balance for an iconic. Nice to see this!
I believe we were told during PaizoCon that it does get thrall creation out of the gate. Additionally, because the Puppeteer/Reaper subclasses of Necromancer give Create Thrall better action economy instead of that coming from cantrip scaling, it seems easier to include in the archetype without modification. My expectation is that it will be the slighty-too-good-on-Int-casters baseline option of "one thrall and command it or two thralls and no command" that makes it into a one-action damage cantrip with upside. The thralls will be the base version without subclass benefits like healing, better movement, etc. Does that still need a nerf? Well, it does feel like the best Wizard dedication option available. Easiest option to nerf it into the ground is making it one thrall with no auto-command, but I'd be a little surprised by that.
An easy way to flavor this so that it's less weird is to say that the pollen is laced with vital energy, causing it to sicken undead as well. Wood Kineticists automatically have a vital blast, so it's a pretty natural thing.
Maybe a less-evil necromancer could lean into the other half of Occult as a tradition? Like, this is the intersection of Mind and Spirit, and by default Necromancer is hanging out heavily on the Spirit side of it. What about a more Mind-focused Necromancer, where what you're doing is awakening the memory of motion in the bones or calling an echo, rather than messing about with soul-shreds? This is more build than lore, but I would definitely take Song of the Soul for this sort of thing and reverse the direction of "Bard is occult because..." to get a Necromancer who leans into danse macabre theming. Their spells are songs making old bones move again or calling phantoms over. Grab Additional Lore (Music) to round things out and cover for not having an especially impressive Performance modifier.
In-world, necromancy is easier and cheaper than using constructs, and I don't actually think that PF2 mechanics change that too much. Sure, you can make or summon a level -1 animated object and a level -1 undead just as easily as one another, but that level -1 skeleton can do much more than the animated broom can. The earliest you can get something similar is animated armor at level 2. There's a necromancer class and not a "someone who makes lots of constructs" class because that's what's common/manageable enough for there to be a class of it.
Squggit, in another thread was wondering what a luminary…does each turn. A level 1-20 build shows what Mr Sir…is but what does Mr Sir…do?And how did Mr Sir’s turns work in your level 3 playtest? As expected? Level 4 was a double-Luminary playtest, and level 4 played out much better and as expected! - Guest Star/Celebrity Cameo was everything I wanted from the class, despite the poor experience before it. Mr. Sir was able to bring in body doubles- they never fooled anyone, but they did a ton of work. The GM ruled that they got their two actions on creation as well as sustain, with me checking that it was intended. It never would have changed much if they didn't, but it's worth noting. - There needs to be more clarity on multiple Luminaries. We went with "a creature can only be assigned one (non-focus) role", and anything that doesn't require your spotlight is shared. This made Blooper much more relevant/useful. - For the first time in two sessions, a role changed an outcome! It was effectively three, because we had two Luminaries in the second session. So, my current benchmark for the class is "Your class features will matter every three sessions or so". It is also dependent on having a caster present. - Blooper did some seriously heavy lifting, preventing a boss reaction that required not being off-guard to an attack. I don't know that it would have been able to do so much work without having two spotlights active. The only reason I cared about Mr. Sir's spotlight was setting up the other Luminary's potential bloopers. - The class felt irrelevant in the skill challenge section. Star Contestant's only purpose was to provide a second focus point. - The level 1 feats, both taken and granted, weren't relevant. I'm unable to include this in the class feedback survey because I already submitted it, so I hope this gets to the devs in some fashion. GM and I both felt that we don't want to lose Guest Cameo from the class.
Maybe I misunderstood "We highly recommend you fill out your survey as soon as possible, as you can edit them later if future inspiration strikes." I submitted my survey, and I am unable to go back and edit it. Was the intention of this "Fill it out while it's fresh, and edit before submitting", or is the team expecting folks to be able to go edit/resubmit surveys?
I forgot to mention the other major idea I had lying around for Necromancer: false villain kitsune necromancer and false hero tanuki disaster scam couple. The class is very good at making lots of easily-dispatched creatures that look more impressive than they really are, at least for a little bit. That means that you can play an excellent heel, making somebody look really good. Kitsune Necromancer, pick up Alchemist multiclass to take mutagens in order to boost deception and performance. He shows up in disguises to a small village, makes sure there's no actual hero already there, and starts terrorizing the local populace. (I'm thinking a bit of a laid back theater vibe outside of the role.) Shortly after, a dashing heroic human swordsman shows up, hot on the heels of a vile necromancer. In reality, it's the kitsune's tanuki boyfriend in disguise. (I'm thinking the tanuki is much more ego-driven and aggressive outside of the role.) Stage a dramatic confrontation with the necromancer, really selling how "difficult" the zombies are to fight through, and eventually defeat the foul necromancer. The hero basks in the rewards and adoration of the people for a few days before an urgent runner from another village shows up asking for the famous and well-regarded undead-slaying hero. He "reluctantly" accepts any aid that the village can provide him to end this menace, and the two head off to enjoy some time together between cons. The tanuki is the one who really gets a thrill out of it, while the kitsune is along for the ride and learned just enough necromancy to make thralls. Being able to command the thralls is a huge improvement on how easy it is to sell the lie, since the zombies can be ordered to lurch forward instead of just attacking and standing still. Also, Master of Life and Death's new version really lets the class pretend to attack someone without any risk of injuring them.
Is this feat not very popular? What feat do most level 20 wizards take? The feat is "unpopular" because it's a level 20 feat, so the second question's answer won't be much help. Just not a lot people hitting that.
I don't understand. You're complaining about things not being evil anymore on the thread about Necromancer and Runesmith... And then saying that necromancy is an exception and it's still evil? If that's the case, why are you posting about goblins here?
"No evil characters" was one of the most common recruiting rules when alignment was part of the system. Now that you don't need to decide whether your goblin is a mean-spirited neutral or officially evil, it is probably easier to do? But, most people don't want to play with an uninhibited pyromaniac with a penchant for animal cruelty, so yeah, you're going to see more goblins that aren't that. Remaster or not, you need a group that's chill with what you're playing. Slightly more on topic, before this, Necromancer was just a category of Wizard. They were similarly morally gray.
I think it's pretty safe to rule out the Rare tag for Necromancer, seeing how there's an entire school dedicated to training them. That would make them at most the sort of regional Uncommon that Gunslinger and Inventor are, although I suspect that necromancy is more widespread than that. Much as Necro is my favorite of the two, I'm curious how the Runecarver shook out. I don't remember the playtest for that one as well but it seemed a little strained on hands and action economy. I suspect a pretty big overhaul is coming and I'm fascinated to see what shape it takes. I'm glad we'll be getting some information on it soon. It's a lot harder for me to speculate on character ideas, since at least some of the runes are changing. I feel like having a "signature" rune or two is pretty key to settling on a Runesmith character concept for me.
First off, Vin, a kholo with a knack for object reading. He used his psychometry on destroyed undead skeletons, tracking the bones back to where they were raised and stealing the necromancer's secrets. He uses his own skeletons to do all sorts of menial work for him, and delegates more complex tasks to the few intelligent undead he's managed to put together. I'll be looking to get the undead creation rituals, subtle casting, and at least one "scarier thrall" focus spell. Definitely the bone subclass for clean thralls that move faster. I was recently thinking about the expansions to the Snarecrafter archetype and how it allows making magical snares and detonating them. Necromancer is also pretty keen on making something temporary only to detonate it later, so I began thinking about combining the two. I came up with a bog dragon kobold who makes shoddy imitations of proper bog mummies, and uses his necromancy and bits of bone and sinew to set up half-magical snares. Since there aren't a lot of smaller creatures for a kobold to trap and force to tell him stories, I was thinking of giving him a cage on his back with a trapped sprite. (That would probably be by taking Undead Familiar and asking the GM to waive the "undead" part for flavor reasons.) Obviously needs to be the flesh subclass for shoddy bog mummies. During the playtest, I played a tanuki Necromancer gal, Ira, who used Teakettle Form to turn into a talking skull. With the new version of the class, it's possible for her to to cast Create Thrall, turn into a skull, and direct the thrall to carry her around for the next minute. It seems pretty reasonable to ask a GM for a bit of leeway to maintain a single thrall while in skull form in order to keep up the gimmick when needed. (Could I just play a skeleton? Sure. But this is funnier.) She's definitely specialized in skeletons, having teeth sewn into her clothing that open to extradimensional maws containing all her raised skeletons. I'd probably be picking up Body Shield or Bony Barrage for her, and looking into Necrologist. I also wanted to have something for the new blood subclass. Blood is produced from bones, so I was thinking about making a skeleton Necromancer with the blood focus instead. Make a party of fake clergy of some deity or another, always transporting the alleged bones of a saint in a fancy glass reliquary coffin on pilgrimage. She lies still and looks stately whenever they're passing someone on the road, but opens the lid and chats while there's nobody around. If there's trouble, though, blood starts flowing from her bones and forming into thralls. Conceal Spell allows performing "miracles", and Invert Harm allows for some blessings if Soothe doesn't cut it. My friend is fond of necromancers in general, and wanted to make a flesh-specialist poppet that makes mindless zombie "friends", having tea parties with them, getting pulled around in a wagon by them, and so on. Grabbing the Undead Creator feat to eventually be able to make an actual intelligent zombie friend, as well as Body Shield so their "friends" can look out for them.
Given that we have details about the first four levels of Necromancer here, I think that's enough to go ahead and get this thread rolling with! What Necromancer characters are you thinking about playing, or at least keeping around in your back pocket until a suitable game comes along?
Listen, if Pharasma would just update the River of Souls to the latest branch, there's already a fix to the reality leak caused by faulty undead soul garbage collection. "I don't want to have to restart reality; I'm busy"- whatever, just let it update overnight when you aren't using it.
First rank spells are already a good deal on staves- you get at least twice as many castings of them as you do of the second-rank spells. Spontaneous gets more options for what to do with a single charge.
Since Hallowed Necromancers exist, what holy sanctified deities support Hallowed Necromancy? Which deities would such necromancer's worship? Hmmm. Well, if I had to pick some off the top of my head, I think I'd say Abadar, Calistria, Irori, Nethys, Lissala, Cihua Coatl, Pahti Coatl, The Readied Strike, Aroden (you are a necromancer), Gorum (ditto), Thoth, Otilaz, Sarshallatu, Turvu, Dammerich, Neshen, Ragathiel, Uskyeria, Valani, Vildeis, Yrmidar, Teki Stronggut, Belech, Valmallos, Kalekot, Lubaiko, Mahja Firehair, Besmara, Brigh, Casandalee, Dajermube, Followers of Fate, Genzaeri, Grandmother Spider, Hanspur, Kaldemash, Sekhmet, Set, Sobek, Zjar-Tovan, Cosmic Caravan, Seafarer's Hope, Sorrow's Sword, Talons of the Godclaw, The Freeing Flame, The Godclaw, The Last Breath, The Perplexing Jest, The Resplendent Court, Urban Prosperity, Wards of the Pharaoh, Baekho, Mugura and Nrithu, Nalinivati, Sun Wukong, The Lady of the North Star, Yaezhing, Yamatsumi, Ashukharma, Chamidu, Raumya, Ravithra, Suyuddha, or Vineshvakhi. Possibly Arazni, depending on the exact theming of the thralls that you go with. Spoiler: That's a pretty broad question. The easiest answer seemed to be filtering for deities that both allow holy sanctification and permit Harm for their divine font, and then doing a quick manual check of any deity that mentioned "undead". Luhar was eliminated for having a hard stance against not only creating undead, but even just speaking to the dead. Anubis was eliminated for being pretty keen on destroying undead. Arazni, predictably, gets an "it's a bit complicated" exception.
It's not the best list since I'm not somebody who plays holy characters, but it's probably a decent starting place for folks to consider.
Pharasmin with a sign that says "To Ghouls!"
It also gives them a substantial penalty to reflex saves at most levels, which is especially rough in Starfinder.
I rather enjoy that the Runesmith has done the big Necromancer thing, and transferred his soul into an undying body.
another interesting question is: How does the Blood Facination's HP recovery scale? Should be 1hp at first and go up by 1 every four levels after that. 5 HP per thrall at 17 is still a tidy bit of healing for things you're already doing.
Glad to have something a lot more workable. The old version felt very off and like the game's mechanics were showing. The new version avoids the "can't tumble through two enemies" problem and also doesn't let you make a checkerboard that blocks large creatures, while still slowing enemies down. I like that flesh thralls are equally troublesome intact or destroyed, so they're a great choice to slow enemies and to reduce the incentive to destroy them.
Any time somebody needs to call on a bunch of different things, I would consider a reflavoring of Animist. Going off the Pathfinder wiki, you've got fourteen commonly known demon lords and seventeen lesser-known demon lords. Animist currently has fourteen apparition to work with, and will be getting more later in the year, so if you take the time to map the demon lords to the best-fitting apparition, you can have your character calling on different Outer Rifts patrons each day depending on what the situation needs. If you have any apparitions left at the end which are unassigned, just go look back and see if they fit some particular aspect of a demon lord. As a "knows the whole list" prepared caster, it's very easy to swap things out after a day to perform just the miracles you need. This seems like a character who fits the idea of having a few patrons for the road, and when they arrive at some new city, spends the rest of the day figuring out who to call on the next day. Unlike Cleric, you actually have the number one feat for being a caster up to no good, Conceal spell. Sadly, you don't have quite enough familiar feats in-class to get an imp, but so long as you don't lock down an apparition choice with Medium/Relinquish Control, you're good. As for how to build them... well, I'd make sure to get Additional Lore (Outer Rifts), ask the GM to count worship of the Outer Rifts as a specific unholy deity for skill feats, and generally focus on Religion, Deception, and Diplomacy. And most importantly, I would make sure to never take both Lamashtu and Pazuzu as patrons on the same day. (Just as a note, though, PF2 doesn't have a specific Outer Rifts mystery for Oracle, at least not that I saw?)
Add an extra roll to most spells, make casting more unreliable, punish using lower-rank spells, works asymmetrically, and requires weird area exclusion stuff. Seems like a good thing to put at uncommon so you run it by your GM.
I imagine it might be more okay in third-party where you also posted, but... yeah, dropping a copy-paste ad at the very least doesn't fit the vibe here. On the flip side, I'm happy to see third-party producing what seems like good quality work from the quick look I took. Just... maybe talk about it, rather than pasting something that comes across as a bit spam-bot-ish? I did a little search, and there was a reddit post from someone at the company talking a bit about making the adventure. That sort of thing would be more appropriate, if there's time to talk about the conversion work or something.
Pretty much yeah, The flavor of ones spellcasting is largely up to the player and GM, after all one of the examples is to whistle as part of the verbal incantation. Subtle hides the manifestations and the spellcasting actions, though. From Conceal Spell, "The trait hides only the spell's spellcasting actions and manifestations, not its effects, so an observer might still see a ray streak out from you or see you vanish into thin air."
I think the best use I've personally gotten out of the various details of the afterlives was for my Skull & Shackles character. She had some violent natural inclinations, but grew up with a family who attended a church with a focus on the horrible afterlives awaiting the wicked, and particularly in Abaddon with its damned souls preying upon damned souls. She did her best to keep herself in check, but when she was press-ganged, decided any chance at a peaceful life was gone, and opted to go all-in in order to show up in Abaddon with as powerful of a start as possible. Is that exactly how it works? Well, we have hints of it in the origins of some of the Riders of the Apocalypse. It's certainly something someone could believe, especially with motivated reasoning.
I would not allow using the same weapon as two ikons, although I would consider making an exception if it's something weak like a dagger. Being able to get the benefits of moving your spark AND the benefits of weapon ikon damage boost AND the benefits of a two-handed weapon feels cheesy and against the spirit of the class to me. Folks have talked plenty about the RAW wording, and I'm less concerned with that than the way it invalidates the thing that makes the class interesting: flowing between different modes.
That citizens/characters from Golarion/Lost Omens inherently know a decent chunk of the lifecycle, of the above hearing about it, living it, growing up in a world that knows about the river inherently. But most players are confused what a Daemon, Demon and Devil is or that there's angels anywhere but Heaven, let alone the cycle and where they exist in it. The pre-conceptions. People can't roleplay a character from Golarion because they don't know what that is, and it's too much to convey quickly/respond to quickly, after the fact it's a lot of information. I'll talk a little bit about this, since it's what stood out to me. I don't think most people on Golarion do know all that much about the lifecycle of the soul. Or at least, what they know fits in a quick five-minute summary. "When you die, you are judged by Pharasma, and sent to an afterlife that fits your deeds. ('No, she judges you on your soul, not your deeds!' somebody shouts from a place of equal ignorance.) Pharasma doesn't like undead, because, something about mucking up the soul. And, uh, rich people can come back if they have enough money? I don't know how that works." - That's probably a fair enough summary of what a lot of people know. Non-experts in novels conflate different types of fiends, and even lump in tieflings/cambions out of ignorance. Your average Chelish citizen almost certainly knows the difference between a devil and a demon, but wouldn't know what to expect from a daemon or have a very accurate impression of angels. So, as a GM, you only need to quickly go over the key points of distinction for devils and demons for that player. For the rest, that's fodder for the story- it's fine to have that character encounter something outside that experience from a place of ignorance. Now, certainly there come times when a character will have the Religion modifier to justify knowing more, they have a backstory that gets into some detail or another, or the details are relevant to a spell. That's a good point to start explaining things a bit, or ask for a knowledge roll. It sounds like there might be a bit of an issue at that point of the process? I will admit that my experience with consistent groups and talking with friends is probably very different than working with random people. That personal connection means they enjoy listening to me talk shop about Pathfinder setting tidbits I enjoy, and I know them well enough to know when to offer some details to help tie their character into the setting more vs. when to let them add their own lore. We are in longer campaigns, so any explanation is useful for months rather than just a session. And you already know this- you've got those tight-knit groups as well. As for having folks to talk about lore with... I guess I'm not much of one for discussing the intricacies or implications of the River of Souls. I'm more of a "fun trivia about Nidal or Eox or whatever" person. The breadth of the setting's lore mean that there are parts that interest me, and I gravitate towards those. Folks not knowing about it doesn't bug me- I can share the parts I think they'll enjoy. So, overall, I think it's suited to longer games, and trying to bring it all to one-shots/Society is just approaching one-shots/Society with the wrong expectations.
Dang, really sorry to read that. :/ I was hoping no news might be good news on the Diamond mess...
Squggit, in another thread was wondering what a luminary…does each turn. A level 1-20 build shows what Mr Sir…is but what does Mr Sir…do?And how did Mr Sir’s turns work in your level 3 playtest? As expected? After the PaizoCon stream mentioned that they especially wanted to test out the core class features, I intentionally playtested it the level before I would get anything that I mentioned. I can safely say that the lower levels aren't bringing much before later feats add some interesting options. I'll be playtesting a level 4 version later so that I can actually use that Illusory Creature option.
It says that once a turn, you can use an action to do something. Regardless of what that "something" is, the vessel spell doesn't let you take that action. So my reading of the rules would be "no". Now, if I just look at what the overall effect is, you are spending an action to sustain the focus spell, and that focus spell gives you a skill or perception bonus, and not even a bonus to Medicine. If you wanted to do this little combo as your character's schtick and you weren't trying to combine it with something like Elf Step, I would probably allow it. But I would definitely recommend approaching it as asking to fudge the rules for something cool.
I don't think it would be a net positive to bake fiddly resistance stacking interactions into the class. The class has blanket resistance that is stronger than any of the armor specializations, conditional on wearing heavy enough armor. Thematically, the role that armor specialization covers is fulfilled already. If someone wants to stack them for some reason, that's available through at least two archetypes.
Sorry if that's all a bit dramatic. I guess some of it boils down to not being able personally benefit much from the roles. Mr. Sir has nothing to target saves, except Demoralize, but he needs the spotlight on himself to do that with Performance. So even the costly ability to spend an action to lower the Demoralize DC by one isn't available to him. Mr. Sir has a powerful -2 penalty to the highest save, at the expense of raising the lowest save. But in order to find out if it's a good idea to use that, he needs to set it up without knowing that, apply the same tradeoff to himself, and spend an action to roll a knowledge check. Those both take a feat too. Without the benefit of feats, he can't really use the penalties he can apply. He's also only as likely to crit as the casters shooting their weapons are, so the crit abilities aren't great fits. (He could go use an area weapon instead and apply the Comedy role to enemies, but that's the wrong mood and feels like a "should be playing Soldier instead" situation.)
Having played it at last, the role effects were so minor that it felt like it would have been appropriate to let all PCs have their roles permanently active, and all enemies have their roles active for combat once assigned for an action. Having it instead be one spotlight being bounced around to try and get it on somebody when their role might be relevant is a poor experience. Now, I don't think they should actually make that change, because the spotlight is pretty thematic, but I think it needs to be enough to feel like having the spotlight on you.
After playing Luminary at level 3, my overall impression was that it was functionally like not having any class features or class feats. - My focus spell (Star Contestant) couldn't help out of combat because all the checks didn't have retries. It couldn't help in combat because the Rhythm Mystic had a much better focus spell to give +1 status to attack (and damage) to everyone. I used it to provide our healer with the Romance role for the full combat to discourage attacks on them. - It's a lot of actions use Dark Sarcasm in combat, and needing to have the subject in 120 feet means I couldn't use it out of combat to prepare in advance. Using it in combat meant penalizing reflex against a bunch of enemies with grenades, which is what I learned from using it in combat. Getting the spotlight off my character ended up being the most important thing I did with the mobile spotlight. - The critical hit roles didn't do anything, even with the ability to assign them reflexively. The Mystic-buffed Sniper Operative always killed on a crit, and the Mystic-buffed Soldier had a Magnetar Rifle so he also always killed on a crit. - It felt like the only meaningful things I could do would be spend an action to give one target -1 reflex save against the Soldier's AoE attack, or give one ally the romance roll to make them harder to hit with non-AoE attacks. - The Boost action on my weapon was more useful than anything the class could do with its actions. - Tracking the spotlight was busy work and hard to do in a big fight with no visual aid. - Hardlight Prop was used to block off windows more quickly (but less reliably) than moving crates, and for "#1 (Organization We're Talking To) Fan" mugs as a gag. The most useful thing I got from the class was free advancement for Performance, which was used in an influence check, and the ability to use Performance for initiative. At level 3, I would rather play a less thematic class that can do something more than shoot their gun. --- What did this make me want? - Luminary felt shockingly bland out of combat for what it is. I should be shining a spotlight on allies to always be rolling Aid using Performance, or on myself to get automatic circumstance bonuses. - The class feels way too reliant on having an offensive-focused caster to use any of its stuff, and way too geared towards low enemy counts. Sure, -1 to Reflex helps Soldier, but only against one target of their AoE. I don't know how to fix that, but I wanted spotlight to feel like it made a difference. "Roll damage twice and take the better", "if damage is less than average, take average", something. - As a Contest Luminary, I want to feel like I'm putting somebody on the spot! I want there to be a feeling of applying pressure, of upping the consequences for failure, of making somebody sweat for the entertainment of an audience. Instead, I felt like I was flicking light switches.
I'm looking forward to the iconic encounter, which I feel is where we get to see the character properly. I wouldn't really want iconic backstories to twist themselves in knots to avoid "common reasons for somebody to become an adventurer".
I'm pretty happy. It's the sort of thing I'd expect for an iconic necromancer, and I think it works better than a single deceased loved one. It's very cool seeing the cultural integration of necromancy into an iruxi society, and the limited term of "service" after death is a nice way to strike a balance. I'm someone who does want to play selfish necromancers who care more about living a comfortable and easy life than a few tatters on the edges of some dead farmer's soul. This is a good option for the iconic for the class- I'll happily take it over another Maligaster. I especially like having an iconic necromancer who is going to give us interesting skeletons. There are more than enough pictures of run-of-the-mill animated human skeletons. Easily my favorite thing about the new iconic is that we will get new and fresh art thanks to him.
A good place to start is Pathfinder Infinite, where you can publish your ideas referencing Paizo's material. It shows a bit more commitment than just making some forum posts, too.
*grabs popcorn 'cuz the iconic encounter gonna be good*
I'll be playtesting Mr. Sir at level 3 this weekend. We had to pick between level 3 and 4, and went with the former because it feels like a better playtest of the class' mechanics to not have those level 4 feats giving an additional focus spell option to lean on. Somebody pointed out that Cutaway Shot triggers on somebody rolling a crit, so you should be able to use it to shove the spotlight onto somebody and make sure they have the Horror or Epic role for the crit effect in time to work, so that will be our second-level feat. I will be doing my best to keep track of when the spotlight makes a difference (i.e. changes an outcome). Note: While I'm playing Elebrian, I'm not going to grab proficiency with the Magnetar Rifle, because it feels like it warps testing too much to get a weapon that's so much stronger.
We did have a few specifics confirmed in the Paizo Live: two Animist aparitions and three feats with a summer theme, as well as a new Druid order that had something to do with flowers and maybe mourning? (The audio had issues, so I'm hoping I got both of those correct.)
I'm glad to be getting a book that talks about what spirits are. It was vague in PF1, and continued to be vague into PF2 even as things like undead got much more fleshed out, so having a book talking about it at length will be nice. Having different perspectives from different societies' practices will be interesting and probably avoid spirits being placed in too small of a box. I'm hoping that the seasons theme that seemed to come up in the player options a bit doesn't overwhelm the spirit aspect.
There can't be two! Sure there can. You're thinking of kings, not princes.
- I checked Pathfinder Infinite, and it doesn't look like there is one. That's where a professional conversion would be. If that were to happen, though, I would expect it to not be until the class is in a finalized form. - I don't know what kind of money you've got to put towards a professional conversion, but you could reach out to someone whose conversion work you liked on Infinite and ask to commission a conversion. - Your friend can probably find an SF2 group to try it out. Just because your group doesn't play SF2 doesn't mean your friend can't! The playtest runs for more than another month, and is legal to use in Starfinder Society for the playtest. That's also a good way to find a second permanent group. Other alternatives include keeping an eye on the Starfinder Discord recruitment. - There's always a non-professional conversion where you work with the group to homebrew up something together.
Thank you, that makes so much more sense! I was checking griefninja's post history to make sure they weren't a spambot, but I forgot about the possibility of a deleted original post.
Is this a starfinder thing? Huh? Or, to elaborate, I'm gonna need you to elaborate. Where did you see "quardle" such that it made you wonder if it is a Starfinder thing? I duckduckgo'ed it, and without further context, it's a game like Wordle.
Previous discussion might be useful. If you want it to work like that, expect to need to ask the GM.
According the Windsong Testaments, Desna was one of the first eight deities willed into existence by Pharasma through the Seal. Concordance of Rivals is substantially more credible as in-setting sources go, and it cites Pharasma as the oldest* being in creation. So even if Pharasma didn't create Desna or it didn't go like the Windsong Testaments described, Pharasma is probably at least older. *(Yog-Sothoth is coterminous with all of time and space and is generally not counted.)
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