Starfinder Core Rulebook

I'm kinda confused...what's the difference between Starfinder and Starjammer?

I haven't had time to read alot about either but they intrigue me.

G.C.

Starfinder is a Paizo product using rules similar to Pathfinder and a space setting.

Starjammer is a third party product using the Pathfinder rules and a (different) space setting.

There is a good chance that many materials from one will be usable with the other, but while they are similar concepts the implementations will also create some incompatible differences.

*hums while waiting for August*

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do...
I'm half crazy... all for the love of you...

Starfinder is a Paizo product using rules similar to Pathfinder and a space setting.

Starjammer is a third party product using the Pathfinder rules and a (different) space setting.

There is a good chance that many materials from one will be usable with the other, but while they are similar concepts the implementations will also create some incompatible differences.

Ahh...thanks!

The things I am most interested in are new 0HD races, new monsters, new planets/moons, plus more info on the Golarion solar system.

I think we are looking at a maximum of two totally new races. All of the other races described in this rulebook will most likely be "Starfinder-ized" versions of existing Pathfinder races.

Does preorder include PDF? :) Please~

Does preorder include PDF? :) Please~

I would assume that would be a subscription perk. Note that the product pages currently say nothing about PDFs or subscriptions.

Also, note that I am just making educated guesses based on what various Paizo folks have said so far -- I have no inside sources.

Does preorder include PDF? :) Please~

Provisional answer to this question can be found here.

Will I get a free PDFs when preordering Starfinder books & maps?

Historically, we have only granted free PDFs with subscription copies of new releases or if there is a "bonus" product that is semi-attached to a subscription line and you have a subscription to that (ex: if you had the Adventure Path Subscription and preordered the new Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path compilation hardcover, you received the PDF for free). However, we have not announced either way for Starfinder preorders and I am not ready to commit to either direction at this time.

As more details are revealed, they should be posted in that thread as well.

I'm all excited for right now. :)

I am looking forward to this product! Will we be seeing previews soon?

There is this blog coming up this week.

Happiness is a new blog post.

The AMAZING Cover for the Core Rulebook was revealed HERE

Nice!

528-page hardcover Core Rulebook

The product description on this page says "This massive 560-page hardcover rulebook". What's up?

Paizo on Twitter wrote:

528-page hardcover Core Rulebook

The product description on this page says "This massive 560-page hardcover rulebook". What's up?

Now available for preorder! Cover image and description are not final and may vary before release!

For comparison:

The Pathfinder Core Rulebook has 576 pages for $49.99.

Garrett Guillotte wrote:

Paizo on Twitter wrote:

528-page hardcover Core Rulebook

The product description on this page says "This massive 560-page hardcover rulebook". What's up?

Chris Lambertz wrote:

Now available for preorder! Cover image and description are not final and may vary before release!

Well yeah, obviously, but seeing as how the dev team has been talking for months about struggling to cram everything they want into the book, side-announcing a 32-page cut at GAMA is interesting enough to warrant asking what's up.

We had to solicit it before it had actually been laid out, so we were guessing to some extent. It's now final at 528. I'll update the description.

The AMAZING Cover for the Core Rulebook was revealed HERE

I guess it's not a stretch to guess that this fellow is the iconic vesk soldier since he's also on the CRB cover.

EDIT: No, not a stretch at all.

Based on what James Sutter stated over in the Vesk thread, I'd say that what you are referring to as a "he" is actually a "she"; a female, vesk iconic.

Based on what James Sutter stated over in the Vesk thread, I'd say that what you are referring to as a "he" is actually a "she"; a female, vesk iconic.

That would have been good to know on Wednesday!

Ah, the good old "default to male, especially if burly lizard".

So that makes 3 iconics confirmed, The Envoy, The Operative, and the Soldier. A Human, Android, and Vesk respectively. With two women and one agender. My guesses for the others: Female Lashunta Mystic, Male Kashata Solarion, Male Yoskoi Mechanic, and any gender (including a non male non female non neuter gender) final race Technomancer.

With 7 races and 7 classes, it seems obvious for them to give us one iconic of each race.

But given the human focus in these games, I don't expect that to actually happen. After all, there were 11 classes and 7 races in the Pathfinder Core Rulebook, but the iconics were one each of dwarf, elf, halfling, and gnome, and the others all human. Half elf and half orc iconics weren't introduced until later books/classes.

I'm sure with 7 classes and 7 races they are going to do 7 iconics, one for each class and race. Why? Well, basically because they are the Core! They do need representation, specially for the alien races, and nothing fits better than at least one iconic per core race.

So that makes 3 iconics confirmed, The Envoy, The Operative, and the Soldier. A Human, Android, and Vesk respectively. With two women and one agender. My guesses for the others: Female Lashunta Mystic, Male Kashata Solarion, Male Yoskoi Mechanic, and any gender (including a non male non female non neuter gender) final race Technomancer.

This sounds plausible.

jedi8187 wrote:

So that makes 3 iconics confirmed, The Envoy, The Operative, and the Soldier. A Human, Android, and Vesk respectively. With two women and one agender. My guesses for the others: Female Lashunta Mystic, Male Kashata Solarion, Male Yoskoi Mechanic, and any gender (including a non male non female non neuter gender) final race Technomancer.

This sounds plausible.

Look at this post here. It has a picture of 3 other iconics.

Behold, the Bug People.

It looks like I am not the only one here who is just downright stoked about this new game. I'm buying it.

Lemartes wrote:

jedi8187 wrote:

So that makes 3 iconics confirmed, The Envoy, The Operative, and the Soldier. A Human, Android, and Vesk respectively. With two women and one agender. My guesses for the others: Female Lashunta Mystic, Male Kashata Solarion, Male Yoskoi Mechanic, and any gender (including a non male non female non neuter gender) final race Technomancer.

This sounds plausible.

Look at this post here. It has a picture of 3 other iconics.

The Professor wrote:

Behold, the Bug People.

2, the Vesk was already being counted. And that confirms my Yskoi Mechanic (not the gender though). And that bug could be mystic, but I think it looks more technomancer.

Well, the ratfolk was already confirmed as the mechanic after the Vesk showed up as the Soldier. The Kasatha as the solarion is the most likely outcome, not only for the look of his armor, but also for the "energy" he is producing.

The only ones we aren't so sure about are the new unnamed race and the lashunta. Hupe this new one is a male technomancer, and that the Lashunta is indeed the female mystic.

Ashanderai wrote:

Based on what James Sutter stated over in the Vesk thread, I'd say that what you are referring to as a "he" is actually a "she"; a female, vesk iconic.

That would have been good to know on Wednesday!

Yeah, well, he didn't make that post until yesterday; so, don't take it out on me. Also, don't yell at me; it's not nice and it hurts my feewings. :P

Regarding the iconics, I think I have found more evidence that probably means most of you were wrong about your pics for race to class combinations. Based on the photos of the Gama Show presentations found here and here from this gallery. (By the way, take a look at that gallery, because you can see a lot of other cool art there for Starfinder, including what the ships will look like and what factions they belong to (Vesk, Eox, Pact Worlds, etc.). Anyway, these slides clearly state they are the "Iconic Heroes". So, we have:

Female, Human Envoy
I-don't-know-gender, Kasatha Solarion - based on energy blade being manifested in the slide's image.
Female, Lashunta Technomancer - I believe that class because it looks like she is typing on an arm-pad keyboard - like that in the show, Chuck - and the holographic display on that same arm.
Genderless, Android Operative
I-don't-know-gender, Shirren Mystic - I believe it is a Shirren because the name was previously discovered by someone elsewhere on the website and posted about previously and there is still one race not officially announced. I believe Mystic because of the staff he is carrying and he has less obviously technological gear than the Lashunta iconic, which makes me question why he would be a technomancer over the lashunta.
Female, Vesk Soldier - based on this page and what James Sutter stated yesterday about females having brighter colors.
I-don't-know-gender, Ysoki Mechanic - based on being an obvious ratfolk-type and the flying, robot companion that we already know is not a part of the soldier's picture from the link above.

So, all that is left is to figure out their genders, unless there is disagreement with my assessment thus far based on the evidence here.

Garrett Guillotte wrote:

Ashanderai wrote:

Based on what James Sutter stated over in the Vesk thread, I'd say that what you are referring to as a "he" is actually a "she"; a female, vesk iconic.

That would have been good to know on Wednesday!

Yeah, well, he didn't make that post until yesterday; so, don't take it out on me. Also, don't yell at me; it's not nice and it hurts my feewings. :P

Regarding the iconics, I think I have found more evidence that probably means most of you were wrong about your pics for race to class combinations. Based on the photos of the Gama Show presentations found here and here from this gallery. (By the way, take a look at that gallery, because you can see a lot of other cool art there for Starfinder, including what the ships will look like and what factions they belong to (Vesk, Eox, Pact Worlds, etc.). Anyway, these slides clearly state they are the "Iconic Heroes". So, we have:

Female, Human Envoy
I-don't-know-gender, Kasatha Solarion - based on energy blade being manifested in the slide's image.
Female, Lashunta Technomancer - I believe that class because it looks like she is typing on an arm-pad keyboard - like that in the show, Chuck - and the holographic display on that same arm.
Genderless, Android Operative
I-don't-know-gender, Shirren Mystic - I believe it is a Shirren because the name was previously discovered by someone elsewhere on the website and posted about previously and there is still one race not officially announced. I believe Mystic because of the staff he is carrying and he has less...

Doesn't one of those slides feature shirren ships and mugshot that confirms they are the bug race iconic?

I think he did mention the "Shirren Mystic" and yes they are the insect like class.

Now we have to know If they are also the Swarm (love this name). I do believe they are, as in a previous blog post in which they showed a starship combate, the enemy starships were the ones revealed now to be from the Shirren.

Doesn't one of those slides feature shirren ships and mugshot that confirms they are the bug race iconic?

Yes; I believe you are referring to this slide. However, the slide that confirms the "bug race iconic", as you put it, is this one. The slide with the ships confirms that the name of that bug race is "Shirren", though.

CorvusMask wrote:

Doesn't one of those slides feature shirren ships and mugshot that confirms they are the bug race iconic?

Yes; I believe you are referring to this slide. However, the slide that confirms the "bug race iconic", as you put it, is this one. The slide with the ships confirms that the name of that bug race is "Shirren", though.

Uh, thats what I said(or at least meant), that the slide with shirren ships and mugshots confirms name of race of the bug iconic so I dunno why you are speculating that its shirren in the above post .-.

Ashanderai wrote:

CorvusMask wrote:

Doesn't one of those slides feature shirren ships and mugshot that confirms they are the bug race iconic?

Yes; I believe you are referring to this slide. However, the slide that confirms the "bug race iconic", as you put it, is this one. The slide with the ships confirms that the name of that bug race is "Shirren", though.

Uh, thats what I said(or at least meant), that the slide with shirren ships and mugshots confirms name of race of the bug iconic so I dunno why you are speculating that its shirren in the above post .-.

Because I saw those slides late at night and didn't really notice the slide you are making reference to until later.

Where ia the lashunta iconic?

It was in the first link I posted three of my posts up, where I stated, "... GAMA Show presentations here and...".

It was in the first link I posted three of my posts up, where I stated, "... GAMA Show presentations here and...".

Ohh, thanks. Don't know how I missed that one.

That cover... waiting until August will be difficult.

That cover... waiting until August will be difficult.

For us too.

John Roberts 909 wrote:

That cover... waiting until August will be difficult.

For us too.

I want to HOLD this book!

Starfinder

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There's a lot of goodness coming down the pipe for Pathfinder.

Am I the only one hoping they'll eventually introduce an eighth core class called the Necromonger? ;) :D

Am I the only one hoping they'll eventually introduce an eighth core class called the Necromonger? ;) :D

Yes; yes, you are.

:P

Personally, I am hoping for more core classes like:

Scientist (with specialties like Xenobiology for Doctors, Xenopsychology, Astrophysics, and Archaeology) with abilities focusing how they apply their scientific knowledge (Practitioner, Professor, and Researcher)

Pilot (with specialties like Hotshot for fighter pilots, Helmsman for bigger ships, Driver for ground vehicles, and a mecha pilot)

Aristocrat (Bureaucrat, Diplomat, Executive, Noble, Officer, Priest)

Explorer/Pioneer/Spacer (types could include Colonist, Drifter, amd Scout with Frontier Focused abilities oriented by the resources they make their living exploiting like Farmer, Hunter, and Miner)

Hacker (though this one might not be necessary depending on how the Mechanic and/or Technomancer turned out)

I'm thinking your scientist and aristocrat class could turn out to be NPC classes.

My guesses:

Scientist = science officer role in starship combat

Pilot = pilot role in starship combat

Aristocrat = Envoy core class

Hacker = maxed out Computer skill

No idea about Explorer/Pioneer/Spacer. Maybe an Operative specialization?

I see no way to play this game with out monsters. how will monsters be added with out waiting a WHOLE month for them to come out??? are they in the core book? if not im not buying them till both come out and only if the monsters dont suck, other wise I dont think I will buy this from the site, maybe some other cheap download for a dollar because the game is getting released with out monsters.

I see no way to play this game with out monsters. how will monsters be added with out waiting a WHOLE month for them to come out???

It's specifically compatible with Pathfinder's bestaries so that there are tonnes of monster products already made that are ready to use in Starfinder.

Also.... a month isn't exactly a long time for the first supplement...