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That's what most people use for Power Armor: two figures.


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Just what we need...a Swarm "God".


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Wait...holds another mini? I did not understand, no. None of those exist.


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I would imagine some of the Games Workshop stuff will work for your needs but that gets pricy. Any number of Warmachine minis might work too but that's not much cheaper.


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We're finally getting minis for this game...but I'm wise to your tricks, Paizo. There's been like two tengu models in fifteen years. We're not backsliding on that...

You're making Otterfolk, y'all, and they'd better be everywhere! Uplifted bears too!


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Yes, at PaizoCon, Chris Simms announced he was leaving the team, and Owen just had his last day at Paizo. He's relocating because of his wife's job opportunities.

Both will be sorely missed, though I'm sure the new team members will be awesome.

Hmm

Actually, I believe they are under a contractual obligation to be awesome.


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All of these possibilities make me want to stay as far away from Aucturn as possible.


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Now that is a gentleman who eats his steak.

Whole.

While it's still on the cow.


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Metaphysician wrote:


The best solution to Aucturn wouldn't be invasion, but destruction with some planetkilling WMD. Except for the little problem that a planet killing WMD might not *work*. . .

That's literally what happened to Eox. They went from being imperialist, genocidal jerks to being Undead, Nigh Immortal, imperialist, genocidal jerks.

The last thing I want is for someone running that horrifying place to look at the Bone Fleet and go "Yeah...that could work."


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Metaphysician wrote:

I actually can easily see many of the Pact World states providing little emphasis on "large standing army", due to the nature of the setting. Yes, some problems are best solved by tens of thousands of infantrymen and tank pilots and whatnot, but the number that wouldn't be *better* solved with either commando teams ( read "PC parties" ) or space fleets? Much smaller. After all, why send a thousand grunts at a problem when either a couple capital ships providing orbital firepower, a few teams of elite specialists with advanced gear and magic superpowers, or both, can fix things much more cleanly?

The main thing large "ground" forces can do that the others can't is hold and defend territory. If you want to rule a populace, or protect it from enemy attack, you probably need a large garrison spread over the locale. Otherwise, hostile locals or enemy infiltrators have the initiative and can do basically anything they want.

Considering the background story for Acuturn, I kind of don't WANT them to have a standing army.


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Again, I'm at work, I don't have the books with me. Let's agree to disagree till I can hit up my library.


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thejeff wrote:
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FormerFiend wrote:


Should writers be allowed to take that chance or should any material that's tainted with that be written off as poisoned?

In all fairness to the genre: fantasy is where problematic folklore goes to rehab.

Most mythological, folklore, or fairy tale creatures are steeped in the casual racism and sexism of the age they were born in. Fairies, for instance, were used as a way to explain everything from Down's Syndrome to racial differences. Witches were one long high concept fantasy dismissal of the female orgasm. Centaurs and Giants were both folklore ways to explain how killing foreigners is morally just because they aren't human. Vampires are all about homosexuality, promiscuity, and a loss of purity, Werewolves were all about a loss of social control and birth defects.

What allowed all of these concepts to become accepted as literary devices is the hard work of good writers.

I have zero doubt that the Starfinder team will handle Reptoids with the same careful respect that rehabs their concepts into something more palatable.

Sources for any of that? Centaurs represented barbarism to the Greeks as far as I know, but that's not quite the same. Sexualised vampires seem to come from literature, not the older folklore and in neither the folklore or the early literature am I aware of any specific link to homosexuality.

If you're looking for some specifics: Athenian legends about their city's wars with Amazons and Centaurs correspond roughly with the Persian invasions, a foe mocked by the Greeks as both effeminate and cowardly for their use of horsemanship in war. The Centaurmachy legend in Athens is more or less a fictional Persian War.

Some scholars believe that English stories about "Jack the Giant Killer" are combination of the Greek hero Cadmus combined with a healthy dose of anti-viking propaganda. In the story Jack and the Beanstalk, Jack has an implied right to slay the Giant because he is a giant and thus inhuman.

Vampire folklore has always a dumping ground for all manner of ancient "social ills" but one that got "emphasized" by Bram Stoker was the "predator elder" concept, where someone old preys on the young, a fairly obvious metaphor for incest or homosexual behavior.

Legends about fairy Changelings have long been used as excuses for explaining Down's Syndrome in rural families.

Witches have always been a short hand for what happens when women are allowed control of their own sexual power.

I don't have the books with me at work but yeah, monsters of folklore have always been used for dodgy social purposes and the Fantasy genre has a long tradition of washing the racist/sexist stink off them.


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FormerFiend wrote:


Should writers be allowed to take that chance or should any material that's tainted with that be written off as poisoned?

In all fairness to the genre: fantasy is where problematic folklore goes to rehab.

Most mythological, folklore, or fairy tale creatures are steeped in the casual racism and sexism of the age they were born in. Fairies, for instance, were used as a way to explain everything from Down's Syndrome to racial differences. Witches were one long high concept fantasy dismissal of the female orgasm. Centaurs and Giants were both folklore ways to explain how killing foreigners is morally just because they aren't human. Vampires are all about homosexuality, promiscuity, and a loss of purity, Werewolves were all about a loss of social control and birth defects.

What allowed all of these concepts to become accepted as literary devices is the hard work of good writers.

I have zero doubt that the Starfinder team will handle Reptoids with the same careful respect that rehabs their concepts into something more palatable.


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Plus any "corporate security" groups that might offer their services for money.


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FormerFiend wrote:
If Paizo can adapt & borrow so much from Lovecraft's work without leaning hard into that man's well documented racism, I think they can thread this needle.

I mean, they managed to make Nyarlathotep acceptable for modern audiences, I think they can do this.


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FormerFiend wrote:


Also, personally, I really want to see uplifted gorillas, chimps, and orangutans along with possibly uplifted gigantopithecus & megaprimatus to go full on Planet of the Apes meets Kong. But that's just me.

I absolutely insist on uplifted apes for this reason.


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I AM EMPEROR!


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Not gonna lie, the new Dark Crystal tv series is gonna give me some serious ideas for new Starfinder stuff. Like I can really up the fantasy part of the Science Fantasy.


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Yakman wrote:
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After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.
except when they are real...

Not with a ten foot pole am I touching that.


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Here's the thing: I absolutely know we won't get it any time soon but I personally would love it if Paizo gave up on the hardcover entirely and just did some thing like a pocket edition only.


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Um, since you have some more staff...can we up the page count a little? Particularly on the back matter.


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I like that third one best because it fits the situation....and doesn't preclude him from defecting to a house that works for his tattooed demon lord.


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thejeff wrote:
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I mean, aliens infiltrating as important politicians and famous people is common enough trope that I don't think you have to link it to the offensive versions. Like, its commonly used enough that I think lot of non americans don't even know its origins.
Especially since the origins go back well before Icke's conspiracy theory. And it's long been used in fiction without more than the loosest reference to the anti-semitic versions.

Icke himself just ripped off "V".


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BigNorseWolf wrote:


Wouldn't calling peoples conspiracy theory as much horsefeathers and as made up as vesk, ysoki, drift travel, calden cayden, and golarion be a slap in the face to the conspiracy theory, not the people the conspiracy theory wants to hurt?

Certainly how I feel about it.

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Thankfully I'm unfamiliar with the writer so I have no idea what you're all talking about.

You aren't missing much. Basically this ex-pro athlete from Great Britain named David Icke suffered some sort of psychotic break and started crazily endorsing a lot of crazy nonsense. His most famous claim was that all of the really important people in the world are really reptile aliens wearing people suits (Yes, exactly like the TV show). Now, most of the people he accuses of being reptile aliens tend to be rich and Jewish and Icke's been (correctly) accused of being an anti-Semite.


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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Because Icke’s antisemetic take is the most popularized version, so to speak. Most modern versions tie into it.

This is indeed true but one figures Paizo will lean more towards the "V" Tv series to avoid that.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:


Cracked has some thoughts on this...

Ah, Cracked.com, home of obscure knowledge and David Wong's pitiless wit.


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Nothing is a "Must for a group", you just change your strategy. I have never had an Envoy in my group and never noticed the lack of Stamina healing.


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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.
Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.

While what the theories purport are false, the people who believe them, and worse, act on them are very much real.

This goes further when said theories are used to demonize real marginalized groups of people.

You have the right of it, Rysky. How do you satirize harmful tropes without indulging in them to an extent? What I'm saying is that Paizo's going to need to tread very carefully with this. Since Crystal's writing for it, that puts me a little at ease, I trust her. I hope I'm wrong.

Don't get me wrong: Conspiracy Theorists are usually a noxious cocktail of racism, extremist views, anti intellectualism, and pseudo science mixed with either untreated mental illness or exploitative greed or both.

But the actual theories that those people come up with are...I mean, they are just genuinely funny. They fall apart with even a basic application of critical thinking. Whenever I'm feeling sad or downtrodden about my day, I tune my radio to Ground Zero or Coast to Coast AM and I just *sigh* I laugh. I just laugh my self to sleep.


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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
After learning about this AP, I gotta say I'm concerned, namely about the reptoids in it after learning just what reptoids represent in real-world conspiracy theories, from David Icke all the way back to Helena Blavatsky...let's just say I've stopped finding reptilian alien conspiracy theories funny.

Since all conspiracy theories are fictional, I find them hilarious.


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From what I kept hearing at the time:

Paizo went to Wizkids and Reaper first and got handed the door. Lacking any model producer who also wasn't a competitor on some level, they wound up with granting a license to Ninja Division.


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Qui Gan Dalf wrote:
Or maybe the cost reflects the already argued abstraction level of the credit economy in SF. In this case, 475 credits doesn't actually mean 475 credits; it represents the difficulty of getting served in this shop if you're not a priest. :)

As we know from Pathfinder: Sarenites stick together like glue.

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That Elf is looking slick. Gordan Gecko-Half Elven?


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48. A map to a storage locker that just says "Tar-Baphon" on it.


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Whip of spiders you say?


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I got as close as I could and then pulled the trigger. I'm actually glad I did because the Alien Archive submission was not "Diaspora-y" enough.


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What's funny to me is that since there are several coffee drinks named Melange, I am forced to assume the Spice that everyone is talking about in Dune is just espresso.


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Submitted.

Dropped three articles into the inbox.


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Question: Is it "must be 1500 words", like can I stop at 1100 or do I keep writing?


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Garretmander wrote:
not to mention the massive need to cool the place down somehow - and then get rid of the excess heat.

I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than an exhaust port.


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Metaphysician wrote:
In my game, we generally go with the idea that Shirren 'names' are fairly standard English names. . . because their actual name's in their native tongue are impronounceable to non-insectoid life. So, the Shirren PC in my game group is named something like Zstuggo'ktkmncpofgth. . . but everyone just calls him 'Jim'.

A bit like how Jackie Chan's real name isn't "Jackie".


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Claxon wrote:
Considering that it only suppresses the magic for 1d4 rounds, it's probably not an issue.

My point is that in a setting where everyone has access to the same magic and the same ways of dispelling magic, it helps to have a machine backing it up.


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I missed the first Starfinder themed edition and I'm the Starfinder Guy in my local gaming group so I intend to redeem myself here. Already got a good monster in mind.


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Ravingdork wrote:
In a universe where things like decanters of endless water and bottles of air exist, you don't exactly need a lot of space for keeping people alive.

True, but it would be nice to have a machine that does those things since CE Technomancers with Greater Dispel Magic are also a thing.


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I personally would LOVE it if Paizo posted their naming conventions for the different races.

Also pronunciation guides.


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I like this because it reminds everyone that a giant space station is still a space station and a significant amount of it's internal space is going to be devoted to keeping everyone inside of it alive. Absalom Station is by no means underpopulated.


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Nimor Starseeker wrote:
Yeah, this will be interesting! Maybe something more on how they became severed from the hive and some violent back history. Maybe now the Swarm hates the Shireen and want to destroy them most of all or the opposite: bring them back into their fold and use them as spies prepping for invasion!

There’s probably a good reason this ap features a Hylaxian priest who is also a Shireen. I bet the Shireen and Hylax religion consider it their duty to fight the Swarm.


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So one of the biggest holes in Starfinder's supporting story are the Shireen and their origins. Despite being former members of the Swarm, nobody treats them any differently and they appear to be a major cultural force in the Pact Worlds. I'm imagining that the reason the Swarm didn't bulldoze civilized space is because the Shireen warned everybody.


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A few points on this subject, because I have also thought about it.

1. I have often believed that the standard of living in the Pact Worlds vary from place to place and while they share a single currency, the individual economy is different from place to place. Living on the Sun...looks expensive and it's possible that these priests are given a hefty stipend. Then again, a Neutral Good Religion doesn't always have Neutral Good people in it's clergy. The priest of a church I was an alter boy for was nailed for stealing thousands of dollars from a charitable trust.

2. The outfits worn by Sarenite priests in Dawn of Flame are some of the nicest I've seen on any NPC ever. That church as got the cash, you know?

3. A SFS scenario call "The Solar Sortie" shows that having a close proximity to a sun is a big money maker in the power generation business and I'm betting a large portion of whatever industry that isn't religious based probably is rolling in dough. The place is likely a very wealthy.

4. Owning a coffee house on the Sun, next to what is essentially the Sarenite Vatican, implies that the coffee house is itself run by Sarenites. It's likely that the owner will break out the good stuff for the Monsignor on comp.

5. Having said all of that, yes 475cr is expensive, but Dawnflower Melange implies that it's based on Wiener Melange, a high priced Viennese coffee drink in the real world. You probably drink teeny tiny cups to get the full effect and probably never more than one or two at a time. I imagine you have lunch, and then a modest cup of Melange.


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44. A video of a man eating some sort of fruit and then crying. The title just says "Exhibit A, Bartlett Murder"


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Am I crazy or does that Shirren have horns?

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