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Not too much of a cavalier then. :(It would help...also I forgot to mention they loose heavy and medium armor prof....Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
Challenge, Tactician, Order, Skills, and Saves seem like it's still a Cavalier...
Can anyone tell me if the bloodrager's spell list was improved so that it was actually useful to the class?
Challenge, Tactician, Order, Skills, and Saves seem like it's still a Cavalier...Not too much of a cavalier then. :(It would help...also I forgot to mention they loose heavy and medium armor prof....Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
Yeah, I guess. But tough luck if you want to play an unmounted knight-in-shining armor with all the abilities you listed.
I would love to know how Investigators can use studied strike and studied combat with ranged attacks. Does it require feats, uses of inspiration, or an archetype. And if it is an archetype, what do you give up?Studied Combat: "Upon doing so, he adds 1/2 his investigator level as an insight bonus on melee attack rolls"
Studied Strike: ".. upon successfully hitting his studied target with a melee attack, to deal additional damage."
The vanilla investigator as well as any of the archetypes that give ranged weapon abilities (the steel hound and guns) don't allow either to be used for ranged attacks.
There is a feat called Ranged Study, which requires Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon that grants the ability to use studied combat and studied strike within 30ft with that chosen weapon. It says "choose a kind of ranged weapon" - uncertain if you can say "bows" or if you need to say "composite longbow" specifically.
Since studied combat/studied strike both come into play at 4th level, I suppose this means any race can be a ranged investigator by paying the requisite tax of 2 feats (Weapon Focus, Ranged Study).
In the investigator blog articles they mentioned that there would be a way to use ranged weapons. Ranged study must be it. I was wondering if a switch-hitter build might be possible. Weapon focus would be a bit less of of a feat tax if you could use the weapon for both melee and ranged attacks.
Do daggers, which can be thrown for ranged attacks, count as ranged weapons even though they are listed in the light weapons category? I know that light and one-handed categories are separate, but I've never been clear on whether throwable melee weapons overlapped the melee and ranged categories.
Challenge, Tactician, Order, Skills, and Saves seem like it's still a Cavalier...Not too much of a cavalier then. :(It would help...also I forgot to mention they loose heavy and medium armor prof....Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
And no...I don't believe most order's abilities are mount related...(except maybe the new one) Really cavalier's get a lot of abilities besides the mount.
And an interesting alternative to a swashbuckler dip if you want to make a Dex based Eldritch Knight.
Do daggers, which can be thrown for ranged attacks, count as ranged weapons even though they are listed in the light weapons category? I know that light and one-handed categories are separate, but I've never been clear on whether throwable melee weapons overlapped the melee and ranged categories.
Found a thread that cleared that up.
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Not too much of a cavalier then. :(It would help...also I forgot to mention they loose heavy and medium armor prof....Ohhh. I guess that means I'd have to use a dex weapon if I was a Daring Champion.So, besides not having a horse, what does Daring Champion actually do? And aren't a lot of the Order bonuses mount-dependent?They get the swashbuckler's Weapon Finesse ability (called Champion't Finesse along with the Panache pool and some deeds...and the Swashbuckler' capstone ability. Pretty much (I think they might be some slight variation).
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More this kind or this kind of cavalier, rather than this kind.
Any feat in the book that lets a character disable magic traps?
One can always hope for this as there are other feats that grant you other classes class features.
I think RHMG had a typing mistake in there, the copy/paste requirements for Pummeling Style are:
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike; base attack bonus +6, brawler’s flurry class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.Anyone with brawler's flurry or flurry of blows can take it at level 1, anyone else would have to wait for BAB +6. I'm also not quite sure where he found Pummeling Mastery, did a word search and I can't see that anywhere in the book.
Pummeling Style is an interesting style. Unlike most other styles, it's not a strict feat chain - you can take Pummeling Style and Pummeling Charge, and skip Pummeling Bully entirely if you so choose.
I got distracted by something else and forgot about my question with Pummeling Style.
Are you guys absolutely certain it says "BAB +6, brawler's flurry or flurry of blows"? If it does, that's unfortunate, because a Monk wouldn't be able to take it until 9th level then.
If it had said BAB +6 or brawler's flurry or flurry of blows, that would be one thing, but since it doesn't, Monk's can't get it until 9th level. Outside of Master of Many Styles anyway.
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Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike; base attack bonus +6, brawler’s flurry† class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.
Copy/paste job, there, but the important thing to note is that beautiful, beautiful semicolon after improved unarmed strike, which means that of the following prerequisites (which are grouped together as a single prerequisite with an "or") only one needs to exist.
So it's IUS plus one of BAB +6, brawler's flurry, or FoB.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike; base attack bonus +6, brawler’s flurry† class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.Copy/paste job, there, but the important thing to note is that beautiful, beautiful semicolon after improved unarmed strike, which means that of the following prerequisites (which are grouped together as a single prerequisite with an "or") only one needs to exist.
So it's IUS plus one of BAB +6, brawler's flurry, or FoB.
Oh, thanks, I missed the semi-colon there.
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do brawler and monk levels stack for brawlers fury?I guess you could skip FoB with MoMS. But then you won't have another attack for so long ._.Nothing is stopping you from multiclassing with brawler now, which has brawler's flurry. They removed that restriction from the playtest.
No.
Though you can now multiclass with them, the new classes are still hybrid classes that mention their two parent classes.
This gives several restrictions :
- "While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified." And I saw NO ability from any hybrid class specifying that it stacks with its parent class.
- "If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline)."
Easy to do, and the feats table in the book doesn't differentiate them properly, either, if my quick skim glance was right.
No harm, no foul.
Any feat in the book that lets a character disable magic traps?
One can always hope for this as there are other feats that grant you other classes class features.
didn't see one but isn't there a trait that dose that?
edit: found it looks like its out of mummy's mask so i could see alot of dm's saying no Trap finder
My concern with the Slashing Grace arguement is that I think "damage" is a typo to begin with. If you read the feat's requirements and text, it does not have anything directly to do with the swashbuckler that it doesn't do with everything else. I think it was intended to allow characters to apply their Dex bonus to ATTACK ROLLS instead of damage, as nothing in the feat's description actually allows you to do so, other than the presumption that you get to do so from Swashbuckler's Finesse. It also doesn't mention using the weapon two-handed or in the off-hand, which they usually do in the case of damage.
Please take any slashing grace comments to another thred we've been ask to stop talking about it here
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Any feat in the book that lets a character disable magic traps?
One can always hope for this as there are other feats that grant you other classes class features.
No feat, but Investigators get it and Slayers can pick it up as a Slayer talent at level 2, so at least there are some more dipping options. And the Nature Fang Druid archetype gets slayer talents so can get trapfinding that way at level 4.
Edit: Sanctified Slayer Inquisitor archetype can get it at 8 through a slayer talent as well.
Any feat in the book that lets a character disable magic traps?
One can always hope for this as there are other feats that grant you other classes class features.
No feat, but Investigators get it and Slayers can pick it up as a Slayer talent at level 2, so at least there are some more dipping options. And the Nature Fang Druid archetype gets slayer talents so can get trapfinding that way at level 4.
OK, thanks for the quick answer!
Can you give a quick summary of the Nature Fang Druid archetype?
Do you think the Investigator and Slayer look fine? I’m really excited about the Investigator.
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Nature Fang gives up wildshape, wild empathy, nature sense, woodland stride, nature's lure, and venom immunity and instead gets studied target, slayer talents, and 1d6 sneak attack (non-scaling). So it's essentially a druid/slayer hybrid.
Sanctified Slayer loses judgements and gets studied target, sneak attack (at level 4 and every 3 levels after), and slayer talents at 8, 16,17,and 20.
At first glance slayer and investigator both look like fun classes, I haven't really scrutinized them.
do brawler and monk levels stack for brawlers fury?I guess you could skip FoB with MoMS. But then you won't have another attack for so long ._.Nothing is stopping you from multiclassing with brawler now, which has brawler's flurry. They removed that restriction from the playtest.No.
Though you can now multiclass with them, the new classes are still hybrid classes that mention their two parent classes.
This gives several restrictions :
- "While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified." And I saw NO ability from any hybrid class specifying that it stacks with its parent class.
- "If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline)."
For the stacking bit, there is a sidebar in the Investigator Archetypes section that talks about how Grit, Panache, and Luck stack.
I have got to ask, what are the specifics of the Flying Blade, thrown has gotten very little love in pathfinder and I was hoping this book might change that.
I was sorta hoping to turn my playtest Swash-Y into a Bullseye-esque Throw Anything build.
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I have got to ask, what are the specifics of the Flying Blade, thrown has gotten very little love in pathfinder and I was hoping this book might change that.
I was sorta hoping to turn my playtest Swash-Y into a Bullseye-esque Throw Anything build.
Flying Blade focuses on daggers and starknives. Abilities mostly just increase damage with them and convert a few swashbuckler deeds to ranged.
I may have missed something already posted....but can someone give a rundown on any Oracle archetypes ?
And are there any new Oracle curses ?
Mysteries ?
Flying Blade focuses on daggers and starknives. Abilities mostly just increase damage with them and convert a few swashbuckler deeds to ranged.I have got to ask, what are the specifics of the Flying Blade, thrown has gotten very little love in pathfinder and I was hoping this book might change that.
I was sorta hoping to turn my playtest Swash-Y into a Bullseye-esque Throw Anything build.
Anything in the book to make thrown weapons viable past the earliest levels, such as magic gloves that temporarily enchant anything you throw as the bow does arrows?
didn't see one but isn't there a trait that dose that?
edit: found it looks like its out of mummy's mask so i could see alot of dm's saying no Trap finder
There's another version of it as a regional trait, I think. Check Archives of Nethys. So yeah, it's freely available!
I may have missed something already posted....but can someone give a rundown on any Oracle archetypes ?
And are there any new Oracle curses ?
Mysteries ?
No new Oracle curses, at least. Old classes got two pages, so if Oracle got a new mystery, then they only got one new archetype.
Thanks for the info on the Druid archetype! Not one I'll be using. Still have my fingers crossed for a Druid that A) focuses on Wild Shape combat and B) Doesn't restrict itself to one effective form like all of the Shamans do. Still, we've got a Hunter archetype for that!
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I would love to know how Investigators can use studied strike and studied combat with ranged attacks. Does it require feats, uses of inspiration, or an archetype. And if it is an archetype, what do you give up?Studied Combat: "Upon doing so, he adds 1/2 his investigator level as an insight bonus on melee attack rolls"
Studied Strike: ".. upon successfully hitting his studied target with a melee attack, to deal additional damage."
The vanilla investigator as well as any of the archetypes that give ranged weapon abilities (the steel hound and guns) don't allow either to be used for ranged attacks.
There is a feat called Ranged Study, which requires Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon that grants the ability to use studied combat and studied strike within 30ft with that chosen weapon. It says "choose a kind of ranged weapon" - uncertain if you can say "bows" or if you need to say "composite longbow" specifically.
Since studied combat/studied strike both come into play at 4th level, I suppose this means any race can be a ranged investigator by paying the requisite tax of 2 feats (Weapon Focus, Ranged Study).
Important note, in case the above isn't quite clear—studied combat is at any range, it's only studied strike (the quasi-sneak-attack) that has the 30 ft limit.
Despite the high feat cost, a bow Investigator looks doable (maybe only as a human, though, so you can come online earlier). I'm probably going to try one for my first ACG character.
:-)
I would love to know how Investigators can use studied strike and studied combat with ranged attacks. Does it require feats, uses of inspiration, or an archetype. And if it is an archetype, what do you give up?Studied Combat: "Upon doing so, he adds 1/2 his investigator level as an insight bonus on melee attack rolls"
Studied Strike: ".. upon successfully hitting his studied target with a melee attack, to deal additional damage."
The vanilla investigator as well as any of the archetypes that give ranged weapon abilities (the steel hound and guns) don't allow either to be used for ranged attacks.
There is a feat called Ranged Study, which requires Weapon Focus with the chosen weapon that grants the ability to use studied combat and studied strike within 30ft with that chosen weapon. It says "choose a kind of ranged weapon" - uncertain if you can say "bows" or if you need to say "composite longbow" specifically.
Since studied combat/studied strike both come into play at 4th level, I suppose this means any race can be a ranged investigator by paying the requisite tax of 2 feats (Weapon Focus, Ranged Study).
Important note, in case the above isn't quite clear—studied combat is at any range, it's only studied strike (the quasi-sneak-attack) that has the 30 ft limit.
Despite the high feat cost, a bow Investigator looks doable (maybe only as a human, though so you can come online earlier). I'm probably going to try one for my first ACG character.
:-)
Does the Investigator have the option of swapping out talents for feats like the Rogue?
1) PBS
3) Precise Shot
5) Weapon Focus
7) Ranged Study Feat
9) Rapid Shot
11) Manyshot
13) Deadly Aim
Sure, you won't be the greatest archer in the land, but it's probably doable. Especially if they can swap 1 or 2 talents for feat, like through Weapon Training and Combat Trick to take Weapon Focus and one of the archery feats.
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Does the Investigator have the option of swapping out talents for feats like the Rogue?
1) PBS
3) Precise Shot
5) Weapon Focus
7) Ranged Study Feat
9) Rapid Shot
11) Manyshot
13) Deadly AimSure, you won't be the greatest archer in the land, but it's probably doable. Especially if they can swap 1 or 2 talents for feat, like through Weapon Training and Combat Trick to take Weapon Focus and one of the archery feats.
Unfortunately, no. The list of rogue talents is pretty tightly focused on skill stuff.
So: level 7, Human, or dip a class with a bonus feat.
Ftr 1 / Investigator X would work fine. Grab longbow, better armor if you want it, +2 Fort, bonus feat.
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Not sure if it was already discussed (I tried to scan through the whole thread) but what is the word on the new ranger thrown weapon style? And any new feats that fit well with thrown weapons?
Here are the bonus feats enabled by thrown weapon style:
2 - Distance Thrower, Precise Shot, Quick Draw, Two-weapon Fighting6 - Close Quarters Thrower, False Opening
10 - Pinpoint Targeting, Shot on the Run
Seems fine, I guess. I don't see any new feats or magic items or anything else that really involve throwing weapons.
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Anything in the book to make thrown weapons viable past the earliest levels, such as magic gloves that temporarily enchant anything you throw as the bow does arrows?Flying Blade focuses on daggers and starknives. Abilities mostly just increase damage with them and convert a few swashbuckler deeds to ranged.I have got to ask, what are the specifics of the Flying Blade, thrown has gotten very little love in pathfinder and I was hoping this book might change that.
I was sorta hoping to turn my playtest Swash-Y into a Bullseye-esque Throw Anything build.
i think you are going to have to rely on the blink back belt and returning weapons for this. The flying blade helps quite a bit by boosting thrown damage, but it's kind of geared towards swith hitting and some abilities are designed to work when you mix throwing and melee.
I just got my PDF last night and I have to say good job to the team that worked on it. I haven't read a whole lot yet, but some things that I skimmed and stood out to me and I haven't seen mentioned yet are:
Hunter class - In addition to the changes mentioned in the blog and earlier in this thread (increase to skill points, changes to precise companion, etc.) I really like the cool and flavorful changes to the class that I have not seen mentioned such as Raise Animal Companion (10th level), Speak with Master (11th), Greater Empathic Link (14th), and One with the Wild (17th - nice intimidation/lord of the animals/Tarzan kind of vibe here). It was nice to see that the iconic entry in the blog for the Hunter actually used the speak with master ability in its story before I ever knew about this ability.
Primal Companion Hunter archetype: Wow, I really like the summoner evolution love that the hunter and her companion get with this archetype.
Spirit Summoner archetype for the summoner class: Very flavorful and is pretty much what I would look for in a shaman/summoner blend with the eidolon actually being the spirit as a fighting companion and gaining shaman hexes.
Spirit Whisperer archetype for the Wizard: This is the "you got your peanut butter shaman in my chocolate wizard" archetype similar to many other archetype throughout the books, but it bears mentioning that now we can have a wizard with the cool spirit familiar and some hexes that the shaman gets and they play off the wizard's INT; nice.
Aberrant Tumor feat: Ewww... basically, the aberrant bloodline folks can pick up the alchemist's tumor familiar discovery. That is some cool kind of nasty right there.
It might be obvious that these would exist, but I haven't seen anyone express any interest in wondering if these feats exist and folks might want to know... There are feats in the book called "Amateur Investigator" and "Amateur Swashbuckler". I will let you guess what they do based on any precedence the game may have set for itself in the past.
Animal Soul is that crazy flavorful kind of feat that comes only once per book, but you might want to have this in a party of druids, hunters, and rangers. Then again, if you don't want to be treated like an animal, then maybe you'll want to pass on this one. "I am not an animal! I am a human being! I am a man!" Free cookie to the first one to name the movie/play that quote came from.
"Anticipate Dodge" is the new anti- Dodge feat feat... waitaminute, we didn't have an old one of those before did we? :)
Barroom Brawler feat: Holy... the implications are... wow.
Reactive Healing feat is awesome!
Counter Reflexes is to Mobility what Anticipate Dodge is to Dodge.
I think Counterpunch is going to be a new must-have feat for any unarmed combatant build (i.e. primarily monks and brawlers).
Want to activate a scroll without using UMD? Get the Esoteric Linquistics feat.
Guess what the Evolved Companion and Evolved Summon Monster Feats do...
There are a lot of "Extra [insert class feature here]" feats for the new class features that came with the new classes as well as others that modify their duration or expand on how to use them. A couple of examples are Extended Animal Focus, Extra Panache, and Focused Inspiration.
Now for the coup de grace of feats... There is a feat that enables an Arcanist to gain an extra spell slot per day!
Guess what the Evolved Companion and Evolved Summon Monster Feats do...
Give all animal companions and summoned creatures pounce?
Guess what the Evolved Companion and Evolved Summon Monster Feats do...Give all animal companions and summoned creatures pounce?
Correct! ;)
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Can we have more info on Barroom Brawler and Reactive Healing, please?
Barroom Brawler: 1/day use a combat feat you don't have for 1 minute. Must meet prereqs for the feat.
Reactive Healing: Channel or lay hands as you're knocked unconscious. Prereqs are Quick Channel or Quicken spell and obviously the ability to either channel or lay hands.
I'm fairly underwhelmed by both of these.
Guess what the Evolved Companion and Evolved Summon Monster Feats do...Give all animal companions and summoned creatures pounce?
Yeeeessssss... *tosses it onto the Lamashtu Hunter build pile*
Can we have more info on Barroom Brawler and Reactive Healing, please?
You know that thing that Brawlers can do where they can get temporary feats? Yeah, the Barroom Brawler feat lets other characters tap into that a little.
With Reactive Healing, a member of the Lay on Hands or the Channel Energy crowd with one of two feats that both have "quick" in their titles can immediately heal damage from an attack that would otherwise leave them unconscious.
Kind of a shame about Reactive Healing, when Paladins can just cast Hero's Defiance.
Correct! ;)Guess what the Evolved Companion and Evolved Summon Monster Feats do...Give all animal companions and summoned creatures pounce?
Just what the game needs!
Hopefully this doesn't happen to others, but I was just sent the Advanced PLAYER'S guide. NOT the Advanced CLASS guide.
-_-
Uh-oh. I hope I haven't been mistaking the cutpurse, infiltrator (ranger), and invulnerable rager archetypes for the cutthroat, infiltrator (investigator), and crossblooded rager archetypes.
Seriously, that sucks, dude. I hope it gets fixed for you fast.