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The amulet of might fists +1 is worth 4000, so I have very close to 7,000 gold in wealth.
A little over wealth standard but you’ll grow into it quickly by 5th level.
@MJ66, Boga has his starting wealth, the 500, the haversack, and the 3000, so that is about 5700.
I'll post this in the game thread, but he is going to get a metamagic rod of reach and scribing supplies. Do you have a preference as to how scribing scrolls is handled?
Other than buying the rod and supplies, Boga is leveled.
@Quninlan, Boga only has divine scrolls
- Scroll of Comprehend Languages
- Scroll of Cure Light Wounds
- Scroll of Detect Undead
- Scroll of Hide from Undead
- Scroll of Protection from Evil
- Scroll of Sanctuary
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The dueling keyboards contest is a great idea. I’ll think about it a bit. Maybe Cosimo D’Medici, Duke of Milan, visiting Rome, hears that both composers are in town and throws a huge ball to showcase his wealth and generosity, and invites the composers to compete for a prize?
As a student of Italian history please tell me you meant Duke of Florence? Technically he's just a florentine banker but generally recognised as very very influential. Unless he's taken over Milan and is therefore most of his way to becoming King of Italy?
regarding level: I'm having a crisis over whether I take a level of monk. GM question: if I take Sohei can I still add my wis to ac and use a longsword to flurry? It's pretty obviously the intent but the archetype doesnt spell it out so I thought I'd check.
Okay the Fox has 6503gp worth of stuff, between gear and actual ducats. 3063 actual ducats.
The dueling keyboards contest is a great idea. I’ll think about it a bit. Maybe Cosimo D’Medici, Duke of Milan, visiting Rome, hears that both composers are in town and throws a huge ball to showcase his wealth and generosity, and invites the composers to compete for a prize?As a student of Italian history please tell me you meant Duke of Florence? Technically he's just a florentine banker but generally recognised as very very influential. Unless he's taken over Milan and is therefore most of his way to becoming King of Italy?
regarding level: I'm having a crisis over whether I take a level of monk. GM question: if I take Sohei can I still add my wis to ac and use a longsword to flurry? It's pretty obviously the intent but the archetype doesnt spell it out so I thought I'd check.
I’ll have to recheck my research notes. I thought that the Medicis were in Milan at this time?
Anyhoo, I would rule that yes, he could still add his Wis to AC and flurry as a monk. The archetype doesn’t specify that he loses those abilities, right?
There is a faq entry on the Sohei monk here.
The dueling keyboards contest is a great idea. I’ll think about it a bit. Maybe Cosimo D’Medici, Duke of Milan, visiting Rome, hears that both composers are in town and throws a huge ball to showcase his wealth and generosity, and invites the composers to compete for a prize?As a student of Italian history please tell me you meant Duke of Florence? Technically he's just a florentine banker but generally recognised as very very influential. Unless he's taken over Milan and is therefore most of his way to becoming King of Italy?
regarding level: I'm having a crisis over whether I take a level of monk. GM question: if I take Sohei can I still add my wis to ac and use a longsword to flurry? It's pretty obviously the intent but the archetype doesnt spell it out so I thought I'd check.
I stand corrected, Cardinal Lucius. Cosimo is indeed Duke of Florence. Thanks for the correction. One of the pitfalls of running a Fairy Tale Earth campaign is that your players might know more about a facet of the world than the GM on occasion... I have some research to do tonight!
As for scribing scrolls, Boga, like everything else, I’m sticking to RAW. Is there a specific question that you have?
Just that I've never done it (or crafting in general), so I'm not familiar with the procedure. I know it costs money and takes time, but I don't see anything specific under "Magic Item Creation".
So if I want to be able to make 10 scrolls, I would need to purchase sufficient ink and 10 sheets of parchment or vellum, I'm guessing, but that is much less than the cost of a scroll. So the rest is just non-descript "scribing supplies"?
Do I need to purchase some sort of portable scribing desk or something?
Basically, I just want to make sure I have what is needed to scribe scrolls while out adventuring.
Let's just all become monks!
It's true! Boga has a level. We can all learn really cool chants and walk around smacking ourselves on the head!
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@GM: there's a reason I jump on medieval italy games - its my stomping ground. So if I offer corrections its in the best possible spirit I promise! I just like accuracy. :)
Fine - Sohei it is... everyone be a monk! EDIT: and now I've read the FAQ... what the hell???? Rethink in progress...
Johann, are you putting off Shifter 4????
Let's just all become monks!
Cue the "barrel full of monks" jokes.
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I'm thinking a level of monk at level 5! Johann wants to study how monks fight so it becomes a more realistic multiclass.
As for scribing scrolls: "Benefit: You can create a scroll of any spell that you know. Scribing a scroll takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, otherwise scribing a scroll takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To scribe a scroll, you must use up raw materials costing half of this base price."
Basically the real cost of scribing a scroll is 50% of its market value. The ink and parchment is just handwaving to make everything seem realistic.
That's the impression I got, but I wasn't sure. So assuming @MJ66 agrees, I just need to purchase X amount of generic "scribing supplies" and use that as a pool against which I create scrolls as time allows. Thanks!
@GM: there's a reason I jump on medieval italy games - its my stomping ground. So if I offer corrections its in the best possible spirit I promise! I just like accuracy. :)
Fine - Sohei it is... everyone be a monk! EDIT: and now I've read the FAQ... what the hell???? Rethink in progress...
Johann, are you putting off Shifter 4????
Good! My research focused a lot on England and Portugal and Africa, so your knowledge of Renaissance Italy is much appreciated to flesh out my Fantasy version. I know the Wars in Lombardy are happening...
So I just remembered this extra text about the warlock's familiar that says it also has a social identity as a seemingly normal animal:
And now I'm laughing because I'm imagining Orpheus copying the Fox's speech and then coming back in the room looking exactly the same but just chirping instead of talking bahahaha.
Can you not a learn a spell on both the cleric/wizard spell lists off of a divine scroll?
Can you not a learn a spell on both the cleric/wizard spell lists off of a divine scroll?
I believe RAW makes them totally different scrolls, but Pathfinder Society Organized Play made a rule to treat them as the same.
Sweet RP, guys! Awarding the party 14,000 XP for that bit of Shakespearean brilliance, divided out to 2,000 XP per PC!
This brings each PC’s total to 8,000 XP.
Over his laughing fit Quinlan takes on a more serious expression. He scans Toshio for magic to see if there is a difference between him and the Ogon Fox.
Whether the Change Shape supernatural ability has an aura detectable by detect magic is actually a debated point of the rules (example thread 1, example thread 2). Unless one of you is aware of a FAQ or developer input that clarified it one way or the other, I think it's just up to however MJ wants it in his campaigns. Keep in mind that Change Shape (Su) is also how dopplegangers hide in society.
And here is the text for Dual Identity, which calls out that scrying, etc. only find the character if he is in the identity (social vs. vigilante) that you're looking for, or if you know that the two identities are the same person:
Dual Identity (Ex): A vigilante hides his true identity, allowing him to move about social circles and nobility without carrying the stigma of his ruthless actions. In effect, the vigilante has two identities: one is a polite member of society while the other is a skilled and cunning warrior. To keep up this charade, the vigilante usually has two names: his true name, used in polite company, and his vigilante name, used to strike fear in the hearts of those who oppose him. Knowledge checks about one do not reveal information about the other, unless the vigilante’s true identity is revealed to the world at large.
The vigilante can start each day in either of his identities, referred to simply as social or vigilante. Changing from one identity to another takes 1 minute and must be done out of sight from other creatures to preserve the vigilante’s secret. Changing identities is more than just changing outfits and clothing (although that is certainly a part of it); the process often also involves applying make-up, altering his hair, and adjusting other personal effects. Furthermore, the change is as much a state of mind as of body, so items such as a hat of disguise and similar spells and effects that change the user’s appearance do not reduce the time required to change identities. Most social talents require the vigilante to be in his social identity, but a vigilante who uses vigilante talents in his social identity risks exposing his secret.
Despite being a single person, a vigilante’s dual nature allows him to have two alignments, one for each of his identities. When in an identity, he is treated as having that identity’s alignment for all spells, magic items, and abilities that rely on alignment. For the purpose of meeting a qualification for a feat, class, or any ability, he is only eligible if both of his alignments meet the requirements. A vigilante’s two alignments cannot be more than one step from each other on a single alignment axis. For example, a vigilante with a lawful neutral social identity could have a vigilante identity that is lawful good, lawful neutral, lawful evil, neutral, neutral good, or neutral evil. If a vigilante is the target of an effect that would change his alignment, it changes both of his alignments to the new alignment.
Any attempts to scry or otherwise locate the vigilante work only if the vigilante is currently in the identity the creature is attempting to locate (or if the creature knows that the two identities are the same individual). Otherwise, the spell or effect has no effect, revealing nothing but darkness, as if the target were invalid or did not exist.
The rules answer to Zagathoth's question is this part: "the change is as much a state of mind as of body, so items such as a hat of disguise and similar spells and effects that change the user’s appearance do not reduce the time required to change identities." While my ability to change shape between human and kitsune only takes a standard action, my change between identities still takes 1 minute.
Thanks Toshio, but ooc I’m pretty familiar with how the vigilante works (I actually played one for a little while). It just didn’t make sense to an 8 Int orc.
Also, thanks Lucius for being willing to contribute to my protection! Zagathoth will be thrilled with whatever you pick out, but there are two things I thought I’d point out (because I had been considering them myself): taking crits out of the equation, my unarmed damage at this point is similar or possibly better than my falchion damage, so the +1 brawling enchantment might be worthwhile; and, it might end up being short-sighted if/when the campaign shifts but for now the +1 defiant (undead) enchantment also would be very helpful. Like I said, Zag’ll be thrilled with whatever kind of chainshirt you pick, just thought I’d give you some options.
Is it bad that I kinda want to take levels of Spiritualist to have Arc's ghost tag along as a phantom combat buddy? It'd definitely make for some interesting RP.
Is it bad that I kinda want to take levels of Spiritualist to have Arc's ghost tag along as a phantom combat buddy? It'd definitely make for some interesting RP.
That sounds really damn cool, actually. But the phantom would always be really far behind in abilities. How easy is it for the spiritualist to summon and dismiss the phantom? Might need to dismiss him fairly often to prevent him getting destroyed.
@Mj - was there a final verdict on learning spells from divine scrolls?
@Mj - was there a final verdict on learning spells from divine scrolls?
We'll go with the Pathfinder Society ruling. So yes.
Is it bad that I kinda want to take levels of Spiritualist to have Arc's ghost tag along as a phantom combat buddy? It'd definitely make for some interesting RP.That sounds really damn cool, actually. But the phantom would always be really far behind in abilities. How easy is it for the spiritualist to summon and dismiss the phantom? Might need to dismiss him fairly often to prevent him getting destroyed.
My easy solution to that, unless you want to dip into spiritualist for build reasons, is to play Ghost of Du Berry as NPC ghost ally that occasionally shows up at crucial moments to give Arc an in game edge anyway.
Is it bad that I kinda want to take levels of Spiritualist to have Arc's ghost tag along as a phantom combat buddy? It'd definitely make for some interesting RP.
I was actually laughing about this earlier! I too think it would be cool, but agree that its probably not functional, practically. Off the top of my head, I can think of two ways that you could accomplish something similar but possibly more functional...
One, and this would require special GM approval (because you'd have to retrain 3rd level), would be to take variant multi-classing as a summoner and flavor the eidolon as the ghost when you get it (at 7th level). It wouldn't be as powerful as a normal eidolon but it would be stronger than a 1st level spirit.
The second would be to take the familiar arcana, but this requires some reskinning/imagination... if you took a familiar with the figment archetype you could use all the normal familiar statistics (probably for like a monkey?) but have it look like a ghost of a person. The size difference might be an issue but it would probably be pretty feasible/realistic to have a 'tangible core' that was monkey sized but have like an 'intangible, translucent manifestation' the size and shape of a man? Also, I know we're sticking to RAW pretty tightly but, if the GM wants an opportunity/excuse to keep talking as the ghost, you/he could replace the usual +3 acrobatics bonus a monkey grants with the ability to speak one language (which ravens and thrushes both already have)? Again, this wouldn't be as strong as a leveled spirit/eidolon, but it would probably be better than a spirit stuck at 1st level .
Just some thoughts, do with them as you like.
All interesting ideas, though I think I'll stick with having the ghost pop up as a plot device when the GM deems it's appropriate to have him do so. I don't want to take away from my progression too much, and most of the options I was considering for Spiritualist might be hard to justify in-character.
All interesting ideas, though I think I'll stick with having the ghost pop up as a plot device when the GM deems it's appropriate to have him do so. I don't want to take away from my progression too much, and most of the options I was considering for Spiritualist might be hard to justify in-character.
Cool, then, ‘cause that was my line of thinking... He’s a cool NPC that was spawned by your inspiring backstory. I like to reward solid role play with plot devices that amount to helping the party in some tangible way.
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It's worth pointing out that the phantom can be confined to Arc's consciousness for 2 skill focuses and bonuses against mind-effecting skills, so with a one level dip the phantom is probably better inside his head than outside it.
@Zag: let me know what you definitely want and I'll do a nice story shopping post. :)
I think I'm going to hold off on spending my gold until next level when I can get more bang for my buck with craft wondrous items.
We can all go then...
@MJ66: Lucius needs to make a request of the church - powdered silver, in bags of 25gp each, as many as the church can/will spare him. (It's the material component for consecrate - along with holy water.)
The Church can currently spare 20 such bags of powdered silver for the Cardinal’s important mission, not to be counted against his total character wealth. That’s 500 gp value in powdered silver.
Sweet! Now I need to know how many days we are spending out of the catacombs. I can make 4 vials of holy water a day... so in three days I can have enough stuff for 10 castings of consecrate. Useful.
How long is it until Fox's organetto duel with the Englishman?
It is currently January 4th; Fox’s contest against Dunstable is on the 7th, a Sunday.
The bloodwine from the fountain works as holy water right? You could just bring a bunch of empty vials down and fill em up.
Speaking of, how long does the bloodwine keep?
@Zag: let me know what you definitely want and I'll do a nice story shopping post. :)
I’m honestly totally cool with either of the options I brought up or with a regular +2 chainshirt... and I like the idea of Zag (who’s still not really accustomed to freedom) relying on your direction. Surprise me.
The bloodwine from the fountain works as holy water right? You could just bring a bunch of empty vials down and fill em up.
Speaking of, how long does the bloodwine keep?
Seven days.
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Also, thanks Lucius for being willing to contribute to my protection! Zagathoth will be thrilled with whatever you pick out, but there are two things I thought I’d point out (because I had been considering them myself): taking crits out of the equation, my unarmed damage at this point is similar or possibly better than my falchion damage, so the +1 brawling enchantment might be worthwhile; and, it might end up being short-sighted if/when the campaign shifts but for now the +1 defiant (undead) enchantment also would be very helpful. Like I said, Zag’ll be thrilled with whatever kind of chainshirt you pick, just thought I’d give you some options.
Damn. I hate to point this out, but brawling was errata'd. It is now a +3 enchantment (see this). I'm totally cool playing it still as a +1, but so you know...
wow... that's not a small difference! why would it go from +1 to +3?
@MJ66- are we using the errata version?
The Ogon Fox is going to look for a +1 mithral chain shirt (cost: 2100, maximum dexterity bonus increased to 6 and armor check penalty reduced to 0 by the special material; like a magus, the warlock vigilante ignores arcane spell failure chance of light armor).
The Ogon Fox is going to look for a +1 mithral chain shirt (cost: 2100, maximum dexterity bonus increased to 6 and armor check penalty reduced to 0 by the special material; like a magus, the warlock vigilante ignores arcane spell failure chance of light armor).
Actually...a lesser metamagic rod of extend spell (costs 3000) could be really nice for the party. That would make Johann's mage armor last 10 hours instead of 5. Then again, I don't think we've ever actually been in the catacombs for as long as 5 hours at once, have we?
Chain shirt +2: 4100
Sale price of chain shirt: 50Let me know what you can afford Zag and I'll cover the rest.
I can cover 3091g .
edit: nice flavor on the defiant enchant, Padre. Once Zag learns what a 'marter' is, I think I'm going to have to go with that one.
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Actually...a lesser metamagic rod of extend spell (costs 3000) could be really nice for the party. That would make Johann's mage armor last 10 hours instead of 5. Then again, I don't think we've ever actually been in the catacombs for as long as 5 hours at once, have we?Good idea, Foxy. Maybe I'll save up for that. I will never have to spend gold on weapons, so it frees me up to buy stuff to help AC (and that would have other benefits too).