I’ve never been into superhero characters with telekinesis powers even if I did read X-men in the 80s growing up. It seems like an even weirder angle to base a fantasy class on, so I’ve not been following this one.They aren't really superheroes.
Think of Kineticists as playable elementals. Or players that embody one of the elementals.
So what kineticists are, is that they embody one of those elemental flavors.
At some level I was aware they are actually elementalists and not kineticists.
But it's bugging me so much that the class is horribly misnamed that I have actually lost interest in it. I'll end up with the book anyway as I have a pathfinder subscription. I might read it and my opinion might change. But the name... just makes me think it's an X-men class and not an elementalist.
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Well, airlift looks good at least. After dimension door got beaten into the floor it's about time we got a new party movement spell even if the range is a little lacking.
The Frankenstein reanimation spell is pretty funny though.
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I’ve never been into superhero characters with telekinesis powers even if I did read X-men in the 80s growing up. It seems like an even weirder angle to base a fantasy class on, so I’ve not been following this one.They aren't really superheroes.
Think of Kineticists as playable elementals. Or players that embody one of the elementals.
So what kineticists are, is that they embody one of those elemental flavors.
At some level I was aware they are actually elementalists and not kineticists.
But it's bugging me so much that the class is horribly misnamed that I have actually lost interest in it. I'll end up with the book anyway as I have a pathfinder subscription. I might read it and my opinion might change. But the name... just makes me think it's an X-men class and not an elementalist.
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why is it misnamed?
ther might be no telekinesis
but aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, terrakinesis, aquakinesis, ferrokinesis, phytokinesis
if you look up superpowers you will find all those ;)
in terms of power discriptors [term-]kinesis just describes the ability to manipulate something and that is most certainly the main schtick of the kineticist
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I'd use hydrokinesis just to keep up the Greek word teeming, but yeah those are the names by which I knew fantasy elemental powers by even before they named the 1e kineticist. Maybe I wouldn't have chosen kineticist out of the hat myself in 1e, but it serves well enough for what it's supposed to do--move elements.
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- W.I.T.C.H.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender
- X-Men
- Rivals of Aether
- Granblue Fantasy
- Arcana Hearts
- Golden Sun
- Genshin Impact
- Kingdom Hearts (Organization XIII)
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Where is this teased impulse at?
Though, this is a hype thread so I digress. Metal Kineticist sound awesome. The teased impulse that creates a giant metal top that just whirls around the battlefield sounds very fun.
Whirling Grindstone teased within the first 5 minutes or so during the Primal panel of PaizoCon. It is a composition impulse of Earth and Metal which sounded very fun. The lightning rod teased sounded neat as well. I'm just very excited for Metal Kineticists.
I feel like it's hard to distinguish a Telekineticist from a Distant Grasp Psychic, but my brain might just be small. Is "aether" a thing in 2e?
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I feel like it's hard to distinguish a Telekineticist from a Distant Grasp Psychic, but my brain might just be small. Is "aether" a thing in 2e?
It's been mentioned a few times, but Kineticist seems a lot more focused on the full elemental planes.
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I’ve never been into superhero characters with telekinesis powers even if I did read X-men in the 80s growing up. It seems like an even weirder angle to base a fantasy class on, so I’ve not been following this one.They aren't really superheroes.
Think of Kineticists as playable elementals. Or players that embody one of the elementals.
So what kineticists are, is that they embody one of those elemental flavors.
At some level I was aware they are actually elementalists and not kineticists.
But it's bugging me so much that the class is horribly misnamed that I have actually lost interest in it. I'll end up with the book anyway as I have a pathfinder subscription. I might read it and my opinion might change. But the name... just makes me think it's an X-men class and not an elementalist.
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why is it misnamed?
ther might be no telekinesis
but aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, terrakinesis, aquakinesis, ferrokinesis, phytokinesis
if you look up superpowers you will find all those ;)
in terms of power discriptors [term-]kinesis just describes the ability to manipulate something and that is most certainly the main schtick of the kineticist
Aetherkinesis (telekinesis) is still canon, hopefully they port it well.
Chaokinesis (void/gravity/negative energy) is also still canon, hopefully it to gets ported well.Then there is also the offshoots: Elysiokineticist (elysium + Ethereal)
Psammokineticist (sand)
Blight (radiation)
Aeon (telekinesis but with aeon stones)
Blood
Leshy (leshy controlling themselves in wild new ways)
Based on the way RoE has been described and marketed I'm 99 percent sure you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're expecting anything outside the 6 described elements and their combinations for the kineticist.
I feel like it's hard to distinguish a Telekineticist from a Distant Grasp Psychic, but my brain might just be small. Is "aether" a thing in 2e?
I mean the obvious difference is that the Distant Grasp Psychic can cast spells from the Occult list, including spells that have nothing to do with Telekinesis, and a finite number of them.
Whereas the Telekineticist cannot cast any spells, is limited to "things related to telekinesis/aether", and doesn't run out of their ability to do stuff.
Like the Distant Grasp gets good mage hand and good telekinetic projectile, but it doesn't get "throw the one bad guy into the other bad guy." Instead, it gets Synesthesia. One really important aspect of the Kineticist is that all of your stuff is on theme.
Wait, is Shock to the System arcane healing? That sounds like it could be an Arcane spell. It's either that or Primal exclusive.
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I have no expectation of those being in that books. I do want them to be available options at some point, preferably sooner rather than later.Based on the way RoE has been described and marketed I'm 99 percent sure you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're expecting anything outside the 6 described elements and their combinations for the kineticist.I’ve never been into superhero characters with telekinesis powers even if I did read X-men in the 80s growing up. It seems like an even weirder angle to base a fantasy class on, so I’ve not been following this one.They aren't really superheroes.
Think of Kineticists as playable elementals. Or players that embody one of the elementals.
So what kineticists are, is that they embody one of those elemental flavors.
At some level I was aware they are actually elementalists and not kineticists.
But it's bugging me so much that the class is horribly misnamed that I have actually lost interest in it. I'll end up with the book anyway as I have a pathfinder subscription. I might read it and my opinion might change. But the name... just makes me think it's an X-men class and not an elementalist.
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why is it misnamed?
ther might be no telekinesis
but aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, terrakinesis, aquakinesis, ferrokinesis, phytokinesis
if you look up superpowers you will find all those ;)
in terms of power discriptors [term-]kinesis just describes the ability to manipulate something and that is most certainly the main schtick of the kineticist
Aetherkinesis (telekinesis) is still canon, hopefully they port it well.
Chaokinesis (void/gravity/negative energy) is also still canon, hopefully it to gets ported well.Then there is also the offshoots: Elysiokineticist (elysium + Ethereal)
Psammokineticist (sand)
Blight (radiation)
Aeon (telekinesis but with aeon stones)
Blood
Leshy (leshy controlling themselves in wild new ways)
Yes it's still a book focused in elements from Inner Sphere. Maybe Paizo can give us more Kineticist subclasses from other places in other books but not in this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ust4H_7PvWY
Nonats preview
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Huh... Elemental Blast sounds decent, and it scales on its own :)
I hope Acid, Sonic and Poison are added.
- Acid would work for Earth and Metal.
- Sonic would work for Air... and even Earth, considering crystals are often used.
- Poison would work for Metal and Wood.
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The blasts adding both strength and con if used with two actions seems great. Also loving using con to hit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ust4H_7PvWY
Nonats preview
Dear God, it's finally here. Actual material to get hyped on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ust4H_7PvWY
Nonats preview
Huh... Elemental Blast sounds decent, and it scales on its own :)
I hope Acid, Sonic and Poison are added.
- Acid would work for Earth and Metal.
- Sonic would work for Air... and even Earth, considering crystals are often used.
- Poison would work for Metal and Wood.
I remember there being something about an expanded blast feat that adds additional damage types to kinetic blast. Don't know the details but I would assume most if not all of those types and more are included.
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So much to get excited about in that video. Channel element (the new gather power) allowing a free blast or aura stance to go along with it is huge for overflow actions. The whole gate junction thing is awesome; a ton of extra feats, a way to expand your element, or further specialize in one you already have in really cool ways.
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It feels like at least from this preview, they've managed to capture one of the major selling points of the Kineticist from 1e, it's ability to be really tuned into different "off" playstyles. Like the secondary things you can do with the class are insanely flexible and it seems to show with the preview, as well as having a way to just ask "How much damage would you like to do, and how much do you want to pay to do it?"
It's not the same, but it feel like it arrives at the same spot through different roads now, and I like it.
Huh... Elemental Blast sounds decent, and it scales on its own :)
Not only decent it becomes very good.
A melee lvl20 1d8 kineticist is able (that can be increased to 1d10) to do 1d8 + 7 (con) + 5(str) + 10(fire weakness) is almost a draconic barbarian damage bonus! This is huge, because this is comes only from the blast!
The other fantastic thing that we asked during playtest is that each element has 2 damage types including 2 energy ones. Electricity for air and Cold for water!
I'm very excited to see the complete analysis with all we will get. We may finally get a real sustainable DPR "caster".
The other thing that becomes way batter was Gather Element that is now Channel Elements that merges in one action gather+blast+aura+multiple elements in same action. So no more wasting an action just gathering because you used an overflow.
I'm hyped because it appears that they solved all our complains during playtest.
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I am very happy that the elemental blasts are not just Bludgeoning Damage with special guest fire.
We actually get the energy blasts that people wanted, at least the fundamental ones.
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I hope the final version of the kinetecist bodes well for a future remaster Elemental sorcerer.
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Huh... Elemental Blast sounds decent, and it scales on its own :)Not only decent it becomes very good.
A melee lvl20 1d8 kineticist is able (that can be increased to 1d10) to do 1d8 + 7 (con) + 5(str) + 10(fire weakness) is almost a draconic barbarian damage bonus! This is huge, because this is comes only from the blast!
The other fantastic thing that we asked during playtest is that each element has 2 damage types including 2 energy ones. Electricity for air and Cold for water!
It says: Level (+4) The damage increases by one die (from 1d6 to 2d6, for instance). So the damage increases at 5th, 9th, 13th and 17th level.
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two action blast from what we've seen just seems like it's a heighten +2 cantrip equivalent (with a bigger base die on not-air or fire)
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One upside of the 2 action blasts is that seems like it kicks off those juncture powers. A 2 action air blast giving them half movement or a step action for free seems like it would be pretty useful. Overall it looks at least from what we have seen so far a lot of the things I was a bit concerned about are pretty much fixed. The overall damage seems like it will be reasonable and the action economy seems a lot better as well as not constantly having to shift which elemental aura you are in so if you have multiple gates you can fling off stuff from any of them without having to constantly action tax yourself switching.
Also seems like they nailed pretty well the choice between super focus on one element or branch out to others. Go all in on one or two and you would be pretty strong offensively with those powers and also able to pick up a bunch of resists/immunities or go broad and have a ton of at your finger tip options for hitting vs almost any weakness out there.
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And yet they can benefit from flanking/feinting/whatever melee advantages there are while not provoking aoos
This may sound weird, but I doubt I will ever play a kineticist that goes for all 6 elements but I am really happy that it looks like they balanced specialized generalist really well. I personally prefer the idea of specialization with 1 or maybe up to 3 based on a fun theme or concept, the more stacked on gets a bit conceptually unwieldy unless if I wanted to go for the Avatar vibe. but the fact that it does look mechanically fun means that maybe one day I will change my mind if the right concept comes to me. + It means the people who do have a ton of character ideas for it means that it will work for them.
Dex focusing ranged kineticists seem very doable. The STR is melee only and they are likely a fragile unless earth or metal give you some boosted armor/defenses. Air and fire with their range probably going to want to stay at range often.
Given they are going for the avatar type character earth benders being physically very strong and punch seems pretty legit while air is dancing around shooting and moving.
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The two-action version sounds a bit weird unless there's something else you get from them later on, because ability mod damage scales really badly.Solidly in the category of being so weird that we can take it as given that the scaling text will include something for the two-action version.
Well, put that as another thing in the "predictions Quid seems to have been wrong about" category. I guess it's something to get them off the ground until they have a few more impulses under their belt, punching through resistances, and so they don't find themselves wishing for a crossbow at low levels.
That said, I'm really excited about all those great junctures!