I know in SWADE Supers, you can spend a Benny to do that, but I didn't see anything like that in this version. That and I'm out of Bennies.
Paradigm - which specific game rule in SWADE SPC are you talking about?
Looking over SWADE and SWADE SPC, I've got a few ideas :
SWADE's Creative Combat - you make a Test (an opposed attack roll against your opponent), and on a Raise you roll on a table to make something extra special happen. But many of Champion's Attributes are pretty high, so getting a Raise might be hard.
SWADE SPC's Power Stunts - you spend a Benny, and can do various things besides a straight attack, but the most relevant one here is : all your damage dice change from d6's to d10's.
Y'all can peruse the other Power Stunts (p. 30) for more ideas...
That's what I was thinking of, the Power Stunt. It's kind of a wide open avenue in which the GM can allow almost anything, if it's cool.
Yes, they do. I'll need to get a copy of SWADE super powers; I still haven't seen it.
I asked about Power Stunting once, as it is intrinsic to comics, and they use it in Mutants and Masterminds. They didn't have it in Deluxe, so it is a welcome edition.
The all out attack option is still in Swade Supers. Spend a Benny for 1d10 damage dice. Now that we have refreshed Bennies, that's probably what I will do next round. You can also Push a power up five more points or Respec one as needed, but I think those were also previously available. There are other options, but i think these ones are what we need in this battle. You can also combine effects in the same action, Respec and Push for example, but each one costs a Benny.
Are we considering a change over to SWADE entirely, or just taking a few ideas from it here and there?
Found a free copy on Anyflip.
It looks pretty good overall! No immediate red-flags...
Just using a SWADE SPC mechanic to increase your damage.
This battle is important, so I'm going to start getting picky here.
Paradigm, which Super Power are you using to create the barrier? And how many SPP are you putting into it?
Your +2 Super Attribute boost costs 4 SPP.
Your +4 Force Field to the team using Force Control with Force Field would cost 8 SPP (for the power), +3 for the Force Field modifier, and cover 4 people ( = your level in the power), so 11 SPP. Excluding Doxis, you can cover everyone in the team and the King.
Your "entangle" of Champion costs 6 SPP.
But, your current character sheet says you have only 4 levels of Super Sorcery, allowing you 8 SPP total. Is this out-of-date? I know I've given out more SPP over time, have you been applying them?
I will double check the math, as I keep going back and forth between the three versions of Necessary Evil when I work the stats up. I have stayed away from the new SWADE SPC, but I’ll look into it as soon as I get a chance.
Looks like you might be right about some of that. Power went to my head and all that. I believe we all have a total of 36 power points, but it is possible I missed some, but as far as I can tell, Paradigm is up to date. However I noticed a difference in what the original NE says is the cost for SuperSorcery v. SWEX NE: It seems I may not have the levels I think I do. It seems that each version of SuperSorcery has changed a bit since the original one. I will have to do some more digging when I have time, but I will need you clarification on which set of powers we are going with from which book and also how many SPP we should have, then I will update Paradigm.
The following is based on SWEX NE:
Super Skill is 1 SPP per 2 skill points. , Since it only went up two die types, that should only cost me 1SPP
The force field was based on the Deflection power (4SPP) for a -4 to all ranged attacks, however the extra targets would bring it over my limit, so it probably would have failed except for this : ‘Characters with SuperSorcery can give themselves any power in this book as a spell, including any modifiers, up to their level in SuperSorcery. Multiple Targets being a Modifier, it doesn’t add to the cost.
The entangling of Champion should have been rolled with my separate Telekinesis power, I used Super Sorcery to roll, as there is no Telekinesis roll.
The new wall should be Force Control (Level 4 wall, Strength d12+1, but since I am using above my ability already with other powers activated, I had to roll greater than 4 on the SuperSorcery roll for the wall, which I did not, so I will have to roll a Backlash anyway. I will do that in game.
We've always been using the SWD SPC, 2nd edition (check my first post in Recruitment). I only have a "changes" PDF, so there's no copyright date on it. I believe PEG offered it for free back in the day, so it should be available on the web for free, somewhere. Try Googling
Super Powers Companion (Second Edition) Changes
and see what you get.
I found a "recent" (March this year) post I made about max SPP per power, citing the 1/3 of total power, and said "so let's make the per power cap 12 SPP", indicating that the current total power is in fact 36 SPP.
That's 6 levels of Super Sorcery, so 6 SPP total to put into other powers.
I may have been using the SWADE SPC in my previous post, but I don't have time right now to go back over all the numbers. <short time passes> No, Super Sorcery is *completely* different in SWADE. I guess my math was off in my previous post about how many sorcery SPP you get from putting regular SPP into it. Oh, no, now I see - I misunderstood your notation : you put 8 SPP into SS, giving you 4 ranks, and so 4 SPP to put into other Powers.
I'm hesitant to suggest this this far into the game, but maybe you could allocate the other 24 SPP into individual Powers? I know you've specified some Powers in your character sheet, but again, don't have time to look at that today.
I’ve spent all my points, but for some reason I had it marked that our max was 9 SPP per power instead of 12. I have two lists in my sheet, my powers list and in spoilers, my commonly used SuperSorcery powers. I put a note in ther to remind myself of the book we use, so as to not mess them up next time. Either way, it sounds like Paradigm is out of the fight, as I assume that powers means all powers and not just SuperSorcery.,
Ok, so to recap :
Your +2 Super Attribute boost costs 4 SPP. Since it's not in your "static" Powers list, it must have been from Super Sorcery (SS).
You have a "static" Force Field Power, but it's limited to you - there is no applies-to-every-Power "affect others" Modifier. So your +4 Force Field to the team using Force Control with Force Field would cost 8 SPP (for the power), +3 for the Force Field modifier, and cover 4 people ( = your level in the power), so 11 SPP. Since this exceeds the number of SPP in your Super Sorcery, it's not possible.
Your "entangle" of Champion costs 6 SPP. Since this exceeds the number of SPP in your Super Sorcery, it's not possible.
But you still have your "static" Powers, which don't cost SPP to use or maintain.
I'm going to give you an option - remove the "static" Invisibility (which I can't recall you ever using), and put those 4 SPP into SS. If you drop your Super Attribute Boost, you'd just be able to Entangle Champion.
P.S. - please update your on-line character sheet to "Super Sorcery(8 SPP = Lvl 4, 4 SPP available)". Unless you drop Invisibility, then "Super Sorcery(12 SPP = Lvl 6, 6 SPP available)".
Please let me know if you agree with this analysis, and whether or not you want to take the option, thanks!
Re: Super Attribute. I boosted my Super Sorcery Skill, which uses the Super Skill power at 1SPP per increase. I increased it 2 dice, so it should only cost 2SPP, leaving me with 2 remaining.
My protection of others was way over my total limit, you are right and that is on me, as I didn’t take into account the costs for multiple people. Even with the Deflection power, it would still cost too much. Overcharging wouldn’t cover it either, but I also read in this version, there is no overcharge.
Entangling champion was a use of my Telekinesis power, which is as you call it, “static”, not technically SuperSorcery. I have to roll its Strength (d12) v. his Spirit. I can Reroll that if you want. Or, if you want to call it grappling, I will have to roll Fighting.
I do agree though that I should boost SuperSorcery to Level 6 and remove invisibility. I don’t use it often enough to warrant a full power with it. If you’re still willing, I’ll change that right away.
Ok, I looked at Super Attribute, when I should have been looking at Super Skill. No problem.
Sure, move the SPP from Invisibility to Super Sorcery.
Regarding the entangle, the text in your post cited "Force Control" (which is a Super Power, and not one in your "static" list), and its description explicitly mentions binding a target. TK only talks about moving or throwing things, and specifically says about living creatures they can be moved, smashed into something, or dropped, it does not mention "binding" or entangling.
So, you can drop your Super Sorcery skill boost, and put all 6 points into Force Control as a Super Sorcery effect. But if you drop the skill boost, you'll have to re-roll everything again.
Or, you can keep the skill boost, but put only 4 points into Force Control, so you'll have to re-roll just the Damage.
Ok, I looked at Super Attribute, when I should have been looking at Super Skill. No problem.
Sure, move the SPP from Invisibility to Super Sorcery.
Regarding the entangle, the text in your post cited "Force Control" (which is a Super Power, and not one in your "static" list), and its description explicitly mentions binding a target. TK only talks about moving or throwing things, and specifically says about living creatures they can be moved, smashed into something, or dropped, it does not mention "binding" or entangling.
So, you can drop your Super Sorcery skill boost, and put all 6 points into Force Control as a Super Sorcery effect. But if you drop the skill boost, you'll have to re-roll everything again.
Or, you can keep the skill boost, but put only 4 points into Force Control, so you'll have to re-roll just the Damage.
I would think that holding someone, or stopping them moving, would be the same as moving them against their will. And as it allows a Spirit save, it is not automatic. Or, at least, since TK can move someone 2d6" per action, he should be able to slow Champion's flight by the same amount.
Good point. TK can slow Champion's speed without "binding" him. But that just means he reaches you a little later (he's moving quite fast, 2d6" may not make that much difference).
Correction to my previous post : Paradigm would not be re-rolling damage, but "strength of the entangle".
Okay, so I edited my character sheet so that I now have SuperSorcery at Level 6 and my Invisibility is now just a spell. I will Reroll the TK strength to keep trying to push Champion back in game.
Just a heads-up: my wife is having a hip replacement Friday, so for the next six weeks, she is going to be in recovery mode and I will be handling the house. If I'm late with posts, please be forgiving.
Ouch, sorry to hear that! Take your time. Since we're in combat, is it ok if I bot you if several days go by without an action post?
Absolutely!
In case anyone's interested, a new Recruitment is up for a Rise of the Runelords game using the new Pathfinder for Savage Worlds rule set (I'm not the GM)...
There's a recruitment for a Savage Worlds RIFTS game...in Atlantis! I'm not the GM.
Click HERE.
If you have SWADE RIFTS, you only need one other manual, $10 in PDF form. It has new races and Frameworks, but I'm not really sure you'd even need it if you go with SWADE RIFTS races and Frameworks.
I am going to be out of town from tomorrow until November 16 (I'm going to Walt Disney World). Please bot me as necessary. If time permits (ha!), I will try to check in and make a post.
Full disclosure : since this combat has taken so long IRL, I came up with a cheat sheet of the creatures' relevant combat stats, where I wrote down their Parry. With my bad memory, I now have no idea if I might have used their Parry as the target number for some of your Ranged attacks in the past. But I'm sticking with a TN of 4 from now on (even tho, being enhanced, it probably should have been a little higher, but considering the number of attacks you've made against them, that's probably too big of a ret-con to make).
I have a convention I am assisting in running in two weeks, so my responses will be slow or perhaps non-existent until March 4. Please forgive delays.