Did water kineticists get any more options? I'm playing one in a west marches style campaign and im just wondering if there is some more flavor or utility to be wrung out of them.
Undine Sailor/Hydrokineticist level 2, so far i have taken the cold blast, kinetic blade(weapon finesse), and kinetic cover. I'm aiming for the cold snap utility (ambient temp is a major factor in this campaign) and water manipulator. Are there any other fun things to do with Hydrokineticists that I may be missing?
I'm confused myself on something. The Roil Dancer from dreamscarred press seems to be.. a bit off.
For some reason it seems to think you only make a single attack with your Kinetic Blade and not the number of them by your BAB value. Or am I just missing something cause I thought as the guide says, you can make multiple kinetic blade attacks.
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There is a couple of things as well with the guide
Whip Hurricane - 3 Pre-reqs isn't actually all that much if you are building a single elemental character. I built an Aether kinectist and as I got up to level 20 I was taking stupid things just to fill slots.
Telekinetic boomerang - There is actually another use for this.
You throw a nearby unattended object at a single foe as a ranged attack.
Now boomerang brings to your hand. Meaning any object within your thirty feet can come to your grasp. So got a some keys laying on the floor you need? Tk Boomerang! Need a weapon? TK Boomerang!
As far as being able to attack again - Means you don't have to take twice the burn to do it again.
I think the Roil Dancer is referring, specifically, to the Path of War maneuvers. I believe some of those maneuvers can only be done as a single attack, or something.
It's not saying Kinetic Blade can only be used to attack once, but that Kinetic Blade can be used to make multiple maneuver attempts if those maneuver allow for multiple attempts.
I think. I wasn't going to read the entirety of the archetype because it is a Path of War expansion, something I'm not very familiar with at all.
I've been looking over the Kinetic Knight; do they completely forsake all ranged options with their abilities, or did I miss something?
I've been looking over the Kinetic Knight; do they completely forsake all ranged options with their abilities, or did I miss something?
They don't have ranged options, similar to the Ascetic, and like that other archetype it focuses on melee combat.
I've been looking over the Kinetic Knight; do they completely forsake all ranged options with their abilities, or did I miss something?With their kinetic blast, at least. Utility wild talents don't suffer any reduction in range, so telekinetically performing combat maneuvers from a distance or tossing out an icy slippery area or creating a cloud of smoke all work fine at a distance.
Excellent point. Dragging a guy into bladin' range works rather nicely, I'll bet. :-)
I've been looking over the Kinetic Knight; do they completely forsake all ranged options with their abilities, or did I miss something?
Biggist issues I have with that guy is you only get the elemental defense when you are wearing heavy armor and using an attuned shield. Also you don't get the better version of gather power.
Would a kineticist qualify for the +3 bonus or just the +2? And would the feat Kinetic Invocations affect this?
Theoretical Magician
Source Cheliax, Empire of Devils pg. 19
Category Basic (Magic)
You’ve studied more magic than what you can actually perform. You gain a +2 trait bonus on Spellcraft checks, or a +3 bonus if you aren’t a spellcaster.
With a price range of 98,000gp what's the best buckler a kineticist would find useful?
Possibly living steel, cheaper than mythral, slightly more hit points and chance to break metal weapons
Would a kineticist qualify for the +3 bonus or just the +2? And would the feat Kinetic Invocations affect this?
Theoretical Magician
Source Cheliax, Empire of Devils pg. 19
Category Basic (Magic)
You’ve studied more magic than what you can actually perform. You gain a +2 trait bonus on Spellcraft checks, or a +3 bonus if you aren’t a spellcaster.
Rogues with minor and major magic talent are not spellcasters, so I see no reason why kineticists would be, not even with the Kinetic Invocations feat (or racial ability).
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Has Mark Seifter ever spoken out about N. Jolly's proposed Kinetic Prodigy feat? It would solve my current build problems in one fell swoop. My DM is not opposed to 3rd party material, but as it is, it just sounds like wishful thinking...What do you mean 'proposed' feat? It's in Kineticists of Porphyra 1, it's a published feat. If you need a dev's permission to run content, especially content which you've admitted would solve all of your issues, you might need a new GM.
Yes, N. Jolly told me about the publication in his thread, and I bought his book. It's 3rd party, though, so DM approval is definitely needed (regardless of the dev's opinion), especially since it messes with the level progression. I have the impression that the verdict is going to be no, and I can understand that. I would be on the fence myself if I were DM. Next thing you know, the party's Wizard also wants access to 3rd-level spells at caster level 3 because the lower-level choices are boring in comparison. ;)
I don't think those stack, since Overwhelming Soul alters wild talents and Elemental Annihilator replaces them.
A GM might okay it, since it's not like it's an especially strong combination, but I don't think it works by RAW.
One of my players is thinking about playing a kinetic Knight and I'm trying to look up how it works.
The problem I am having is I can't find what a Blade Rush infusion is?
Was thinking this way probably the place to ask for advice on kinetic knights in general didn't want to make a thread for this.
It's from the same book as kinetic knight. Move 30' any direction and make a kinetic blade attack.
I don't think those stack, since Overwhelming Soul alters wild talents and Elemental Annihilator replaces them.
A GM might okay it, since it's not like it's an especially strong combination, but I don't think it works by RAW.
Late to the party, but they stack just fine. Overwhelming Soul was stated to be designed to stack with Blood Kineticist, which also replaces some wild talents.
It's a combo I like for a charismatic martial character.
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It's from the same book as kinetic knight. Move 30' any direction and make a kinetic blade attack.
So like the level 2 spell bladed Dash?
Why would the player want to do that over simply moving and attacking?Thankyou for your help by the way :)
Why would the player want to do that over simply moving and attacking?
It grants +2 to hit, allows you to ignore terrain (even moving straight up to attack things that are flying but not that high), and you won't provoke any AoOs for movement (this is pretty relevant to the Kinetic Knight who likely won't have the same obnoxiously high acrobatics modifier as the vanilla kineticist).
It's a level 2 infusion for 2 burn, so it's not going to be amazing. But you'll use it if you have it.
And once you can do it as a swift action, I suspect that it gets a little more exciting. ^_^
though one might consider a ring of feather fall or something similar.
This is a natural tactic for the aerokineticist who has taken Air Cushion early as the better prerequisite for Wings of Air. Even when you have the latter and are always flying, Blade Rush precludes having to make fly checks.
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Another minor benefit: it always moves you 30 feet, which may be important for heavily-armored kinetic knights.
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First of all, moving and attacking would be a move + standard action, while blade rush is only a standard action, which allows you to gather energy before using it
Being able to gather energy and move in the same round is pretty huge once you no longer need the gathered energy to power Blade Rush and can use it for Empower instead (8th level). Given that Empower is the Kineticist's replacement for the first iterative attack, Blade Rush is essentially their Pounce.
I originally thought it might be a cool little combo to Quicken Blade Rush above a group of enemies use a Kinetic flight options to hover as a non-action, move action Supercharge, and then unleash a Composite Blast Blade Whirlwind with your superior reach from Kinetic Whip and Kinetic Form. The problem is, Blade Whirlwind does not give an option to upgrade to Kinetic Whip like Kinetic Blade does. Which is a shame as it would be, visually, a really awesome combo.
There's no option to upgrade Blade Whirlwind to use Kinetic Whip because then why would Whip Hurricane be necessary?
There's no option to upgrade Blade Whirlwind to use Kinetic Whip because then why would Whip Hurricane be necessary?
I missed that because I hadn't read the entire document yet. Disappointing that they decided to bloat out the infusion tree like that.
My guess is- nonlethal damage from burn is specific to whatever body you're in when you incur it and does not travel. Being in a body or a form that is immune to nonlethal damage means you cannot take burn (but could reduce it with infusion specialization, etc.)
My guess is- nonlethal damage from burn is specific to whatever body you're in when you incur it and does not travel. Being in a body or a form that is immune to nonlethal damage means you cannot take burn (but could reduce it with infusion specialization, etc.)
To expand on this, a Kineticist would be able to accept burn before possessing the object. However, something to note is that when you possess the object you lose your Con and Dex scores! So a Kineticist is not very good for this style of build as your attack and damage bonuses are going to take a hit, along with all of your save DCs. Constructs don't have a con score at all, so, fortunately, you won't have any penalties from Con, but no bonuses either. In the same vein, stat bonuses from burn won't help, ut at least you still keep the attack and damage bonuses.
The Kineticist's defense talents are the real silver lining though. Earth and Water will greatly help the object survive with the DR/armor. Fire would be kind of amusing, but you run the risk of burning your own body if it's stored inside the object. So you could accept burn to charge your kinetic defense, and then possess the o ject, but not after.
There are some real positives to using a Kineticist for this but also some major downsides as a number of the Kineticists abilities just straight up don't work.
If you can somehow can make use of Magic Jar as a Kineticist, you could use another body in order to gain another lot of kinetic burn before burning out the body and being forced to switch back. Horrific as that is, I don't think there is anything to suggest you can't do this, and I definitely don't think burn moves with bodies.
If you had a clone, you could also just burn out bodies to death and switch to a fresh clone to keep fighting (you just need some way to reach your old body. This is why create demiplane and a few scrolls of plane shift are handy). Equally horrific but without the moral implications of body snatching and violation of free will and all that.
If you can somehow can make use of Magic Jar as a Kineticist, you could use another body in order to gain another lot of kinetic burn before burning out the body and being forced to switch back. Horrific as that is, I don't think there is anything to suggest you can't do this, and I definitely don't think burn moves with bodies.
If you had a clone, you could also just burn out bodies to death and switch to a fresh clone to keep fighting (you just need some way to reach your old body. This is why create demiplane and a few scrolls of plane shift are handy). Equally horrific but without the moral implications of body snatching and violation of free will and all that.
Hmmm.... this would be an amazing boss fight. Find monsters with high dex and/or con and keep them as pets, then use a greater hat of disguise so you can shift into a humanoid form and proceed to just burn your body up. Like, maybe use one or two bodies to seriously beef up your kinetic defense, and use other bodies to "nova" every round of combat. Well, I guess it would be an amazing boss fight for the GM anyway!
Even if it works like that (it probably does), you wouldn't really be able to "use bodies to boost your defense". Only the defense of the body you are leaving would be boosted, not your own. You'd be also leaving stuff like your internal buffer behind, reducing your nova potential.