Pathfinder Secrets of Magic

I didn't expect Monk to be the class this book gets me excited about, but /wow/.

A question for those with the pdf: Which variation of Cathartic Magic is your favorite, and why?

Want to make sure my question isn't overlooked on the new page.

Remorse is a nice healer boosting one.

Ventnor wrote:

A question for those with the pdf: Which variation of Cathartic Magic is your favorite, and why?

Want to make sure my question isn't overlooked on the new page.

I'm a fan of the simple things. Anger makes me hit my target harder.

I can’t say enough how much I feel disappointed by Paizo. I have bough numerous books recently via PDF from your site as I live in Australia which is currently in lockdown due to COVID 19. I was looking forward to reading this pdf to help brighten my day and that you changed it on the day it was meant to be available was really disappointing. What is worse is that you offer the PDF to subscribers so that the PDF is ready and able to be supplied to your customers who are willing to pay for the pdf. But you choose not to make it available. I own a lot of your products from card games to rpgs both first and second edition pdf and hardcover. As a loyal customer I feel a little hard done by. Let’s hope you do release this book on the 1st of September.

A question for those with the pdf: Which variation of Cathartic Magic is your favorite, and why?

Fear seems to be have a very powerful effect.

Poorly done, Paizo, changing the release date the day it's supposed to come out?

As has been said endlessly now, this delay was announced in other places over a week ago, it just didn’t make it to the product page before now due to site limitations and light staffing. They’re a small company in the middle of a big pandemic, folks; give them some grace.

There’s bigger problems in the world than a week delay for a game book.

Poorly done, Paizo, changing the release date the day it's supposed to come out?

They did not actually get this page updated until late on the 24th though. So not like it was an attempt to pull a fast one on anyone, but definitely frustrating. I was absolutely hoping maybe the pdf would briefly go on sale before someone caught it. But I have waited 8 months for this book I can wait one more week.

I found a bug in the PDF bookmarks: the bookmark for chapter 3 is named "Character 3: Spells".

It was also mentioned several times in this thread that the street date changed.

I'm sorry but that's not helpful/effective, because newer posts appear on later pages, so when you land on the product's page it only shows the first, older posts.

Which is why I and others repeated it multiple times over the week. I'm sorry that I lack the power to update their product page, but I did what I personally could to inform people that it was delayed.

That's certainly helpful, but at the end of the day, not everyone follows Paizo in social media, nor do they dig into forums and blogs for every product they might be interested in. The one place that every has to go if they intend to buy the book is the product page. That page should always be the most up to date and accurate. To do otherwise is irresponsible no matter how we parse it.

That's certainly helpful, but at the end of the day, not everyone follows Paizo in social media, nor do they dig into forums and blogs for every product they might be interested in. The one place that every has to go if they intend to buy the book is the product page. That page should always be the most up to date and accurate. To do otherwise is irresponsible no matter how we parse it.

There is actually an explanation for this here.

David knott 242 wrote:

A quick post from a Paizo staffer saying that a street date for a product is being delayed (and that the date under the product page would eventually be updated) should be sufficient. They did that a couple of months ago, as I recall.

Both of those things happened this time and have been noted as being insufficient.

It's worth noting that Paizo is a small company. There's basically one person who handles product page updates, and that same person is responsible for processing product page requests from other people who sell through our website, posting new product pages, and a variety of other customer service and tech adjacent tasks. Her task list is pretty much always more than a week long just on day-to-day duties. We're also not all working from the office due to COVID, so when a request goes to her to make an update, it goes into a digital queue. There's time lag just to see that the thing even needs to be done. Aaron, conversely, has direct channels thanks to our Twitter, Facebook, and other social media accounts, and can often get that news out through those channels much faster. He doesn't need to input them into a highly unique digital platform system, and him posting an update on Twitter doesn't carry the risk of upsetting a business partner by delaying their product or blog posting in favor of our own.

No one at Paizo wears just one hat or has just one thing going on. Most of us work overtime with some regularity and often have additional tasks we do outside our normal work hours in the form of freelance that mean we're still pouring hours into keeping the company moving forward as COVID and other shipping disruptions continue to do their best to take down small gaming companies all over the world. I wouldn't have time to post this if I weren't currently taking a partial sick day to nurse an injured hand.

So please understand that updating the product page is the most time consuming venue to disseminate information, and the one most likely...

Your thoughts and feedback on this situation are appreciated. Let's go ahead and bring the conversation back to talking about the book though.

I'm sure this has been answered 100 times by now, but I'm having trouble finding it: How many spells per day do the Magus/Summoner get in the final version? Is it the same as the playtest?

I'm sure this has been answered 100 times by now, but I'm having trouble finding it: How many spells per day do the Magus/Summoner get in the final version? Is it the same as the playtest?

Assuming no feats are taken or special Eidolon features (AKA Fey) to supplement them:

Lvl 20 Magus = 6 (two 8, two 9, two 4)

Lvl 20 Summoner = 4 (two 8, two 9)

I'm sure this has been answered 100 times by now, but I'm having trouble finding it: How many spells per day do the Magus/Summoner get in the final version? Is it the same as the playtest?

Yes, Magus gets 4 slots total per day, 2 of their highest slot and 2 of their second highest. At 7th level, they get 2 additional slots for utility spells. They start at 2nd level, then eventually upgrade to 4th level spells. So in total, the Magus gets 6 slots per day late-game.

The Summoner gets the same 4 slots total per day of their 2 highest slots, but they don't get anything that's baked into all Summoners' kits. Instead, there's 4 feats for Summoners that give their Eidolon innate spells (1 that gives cantrips, 1 that gives a 1st/2nd level innate spell that upgrades, 1 that gives you a total of 1 each of 1-7 level slots total, and 1 that lets the Summoner cast the Eidolon's innate spells for themselves). The Fey Eidolon gets them 2 of those feats for free via their Eidolon abilities.

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Mechalibur wrote:

I'm sure this has been answered 100 times by now, but I'm having trouble finding it: How many spells per day do the Magus/Summoner get in the final version? Is it the same as the playtest?

Yes, Magus gets 4 slots total per day, 2 of their highest slot and 2 of their second highest. At 7th level, they get 2 additional slots for utility spells. They start at 2nd level, then eventually upgrade to 4th level spells. So in total, the Magus gets 6 slots per day late-game.

The Summoner gets the same 4 slots total per day of their 2 highest slots, but they don't get anything that's baked into all Summoners' kits. Instead, there's 4 feats for Summoners that give their Eidolon innate spells (1 that gives cantrips, 1 that gives a 1st/2nd level innate spell that upgrades, 1 that gives you a total of 1 each of 1-7 level slots total, and 1 that lets the Summoner cast the Eidolon's innate spells for themselves). The Fey Eidolon gets them 2 of those feats for free via their Eidolon abilities.

On top of those feats, the Summoner can take a feat to make it so one of their natural spell slots can actually be divided into two spell slots, so long as both are used for summoning or incarnate spells. This feat can be gained at level 6.

At level 20, the Summoner can get a feat that (so long as the slot they sacrifice is a level 9 slot) gives them two level 10 spell slots. Again, it's only for summoning or incarnate spells.

Did Seltyiel let himself go? Is that why he's wearing a shirt now? I suppose, the pandemic affects us all differently.

Also, after gazing into Ija's eyes on page 53 I'm utterly convinced she's a serial killer. Just saying.

Did clerics get any more doctrines?

Nope, nothing for clerics other than spells and magic items.

Nope, nothing for clerics other than spells and magic items.

Thanks

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43gbh&page=2?Secrets-of-Magic-Errata#99
Errata thread

Invictus Spartan wrote:

*deep breathing*

I'm not mad... I just would very much like to know why the date was changed. Pretty please, with sugar on top. Why?

This is how the Paizo model has worked for years. They send out pdfs to subscribers when they ship the product, which I believe has something to do with when they can charge them.

But for your more specific question, it has to do with agreements with traditional brick and mortar stores. Street date is a hard thing, and violating it in any market is usually a huge deal. So, if they push back street date to September 1st, then they *Cannot* be selling product directly before that date.

I do think it is a bit of an outdated system, but we don't have access to Paizo's numbers, as the Marketing Manager has made clear they have looked at alternatives and found them to not be financially viable.

Welp, I'll be damned, it is a good reason, after all. I share the bad mood most people are having, but to break contracts is suicide for a company (unless you're Disney and you're finished with Scarlet Johanson).

Maybe it'll change in the future, but as of now, I think Paizo did the right thing. It's better to upset a few (impatient) people (me included) than to gather legal fees that outshine the profit of an "early" launch.

Now, back to the book: I'm excited to see a weapon-and-shield magus in action. I really want to see all the new stuff, specially rituals. I'm REALLY hopeful there'll be options to reach immortality (not aging) for casters. For RP reasons, since aging doesn't give benefits anymore. Anyone know anything about that being in the book?

Did Seltyiel let himself go? Is that why he's wearing a shirt now? I suppose, the pandemic affects us all differently.

He must be an impostor. Seltyiel would never miss an opportunity to display his abs.

My big question. Are there feats for more than just wizard to cast non-lethal spells?

Do we know whether next Wednesday is also the release date for roll20 and Herolab Online?

Do we know whether next Wednesday is also the release date for roll20 and Herolab Online?

From the note on Herolab it looks like Sept first will have the rules available.

There is a difference between "you changed it on the day" and "you changed it a week before the day, but I only found out about it on the day".

There is a difference between "you changed it on the day" and "you changed it a week before the day, but I only found out about it on the day".

Again, we apologize. We did not intend to send mixed messages. It was human error. We hear and are grateful for your enthusiasm for our products. We appreciate those of you who are trying to bring others up to speed. Let's all please move on.

Hiya! I'm not used to this process, and I'm maybe a little too excited for this book! Do we know what time exactly the PDF is meant to become available?

I wonder if the PDF is released at midnight local Paizo time or at open of business release day?

I wonder if the PDF is released at midnight local Paizo time or at open of business release day?

From what I recall, the PDF becomes available for public sale at midnight Pacific.

Yay! The pdf is available!

I didn't expect Monk to be the class this book gets me excited about, but /wow/.

Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Why does the Magus have 1st level class feats available when it doesn't appear to get a class feat at 1st level? Am I overlooking something?

All classes have 1st level feats even for those like spellcasters who don't get them at 1st level. This is because of the 1st level human ancestry feat: natural ambition which lets them pick a 1st level class feat to learn

keftiu wrote:

I didn't expect Monk to be the class this book gets me excited about, but /wow/.

Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

It seems like everything I love in 2e ends up being your work!

All classes have 1st level feats even for those like spellcasters who don't get them at 1st level. This is because of the 1st level human ancestry feat: natural ambition which lets them pick a 1st level class feat to learn

Ah, that's what I was missing - thank you!

I can't see this thread listed in the Product Discussion forum.

Anyone else having this problem?

I can't see this thread listed in the Product Discussion forum.

Anyone else having this problem?

That’s where I’ve just gotten to it from?

Is there a Starting Equipment list for the Magus and Summoner? I've had a quick look across the PDF and don't think I can see anything. Loving this beautiful book.

You mean a Class Kit? Don't appear to be. At least, AoN only has them for the Core Classes.