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Does Paizo or any of the executives have anything to say about Diego's posts on twitter about how he was denied a promotion because he didn't "need" it or he was "emotionally unstable" based on posts from many years past on a private vent account where he discussed his past struggles with mental health?

Don't get me wrong I support this, but this feels a little hollow coming from those same people


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Also just because other people may have more diverse friend groups or know Jewish folks doesn't mean that "suddenly a bunch of people are claiming that their imaginary Jewish friends are happy with the change"

Like, YOU might not know very many but that doesn't speak to other peoples experiences and assuming as such is very rude and doesn't help your argument any


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Not assuming tone is fine and all since it CAN indeed be hard to judge tone, but that doesn't mean its impossible, and after seeing dozens of messages like it, I find it hard not to notice patterns of wording used and the ways in which such messages have been used before to shut down people's complaints and tone police


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One can also be "rude" while demanding for accountability and change and seeking improvement and it does not invalidate their concerns or their points. Being on the moral high ground means little when there is active Injustice at play


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Yeah, I'm not a fan of the bending of the rules going on or really much of anything surrounding this situation. It's very concerning


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Also I forgot to mention in my earlier post, but I appreciate you mentioning your commitment to diversity Mike, and your acknowledgement that actions speak louder than words. I think I speak for many of us when I say that I would like to see some action, as many of us aren't sure we can place our trust in paizo in its current state.

Thank you for taking the time to respond and communicate, I appreciate it


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I appreciate the response Mike, I still think its kinda shady though that while someone like Diego was denied any chance of a promotion, someone who hasn't been with the company for a full year got to become an executive. This isn't targeted at you of course, but rather the circumstances surrounding this whole situation do not sit well with me and it raises some further concerns with management as a whole


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Also the reason people are so critical of things lately is because nothings really improved. There's been a lot of promises of things to come but so far all we've seen is these promotions and paizo recognizing the union while still avoiding taking any responsibility (and that latter one kind of had to be done, the union was like half the size of the company)

When we say we want more diverse hiring practices and better treatment of employees and to address the allegations of transphobia...elevating two white men to executive positions while hearing about Diego's denial of any chance of doing the same just feels like a slap in the face


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Once again I must reiterate, it must be a wild coincidence that all the "best people for the job" happen to be white and they couldn't find ANY POC to include in their leadership position despite having many that have worked for them for years, and these same people that were hired also happen to be friends with the executives.
Thats not even getting into how people like Diego were denied any chance of a promotion while these two had their positions elevated by creating new positions in leadership for them


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If we didn't care we wouldn't be here and so invested in wanting to see paizo do better. It would be a massive waste of my time to tear down a company making a product I enjoy, not to mention it would be a ridiculous waste of energy


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Well spoken Lissa, thank you for speaking up


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Personally I feel that Rise is incredibly overrated and hasn't aged well but I understand its importance as the first major AP and how it introduced many people to Varisia and the Runelords which are well loved, so I get why its popular, I just think there are other technically better APs out there since its been many years since Rise was written and paizo has improved a lot since then


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also just to clarify, as a gay man, I'm glad Jim is here and all but one white gay man and one woman in leadership isn't *that* diverse. Sure, its something, but I find it odd that there's 0 POC in leadership while they profit off of diverse voices in their products, It feels disingenuous


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I just hope Jim is telling the truth when he says "we won't shy away from making decisions that we feel are best for the company and the employees". Aside from recognizing the union, which paizo basically HAD to do considering how large it is, they really haven't done much to win my trust. I don't like being negative and distrusting of paizo but we really haven't gotten anything. Jeff mentioned the whole "changing the hotel room policy" and a few other things without properly addressing allegations but that's about it
I just hope the UPW can bargain with paizo properly and improve things in their workplace and strive to be the best it can be, but that can only be done if paizo is willing to cooperate


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5/6 members of their leadership are white men, 1 is a white woman, and 1 of those men is gay. There are no POC in their leadership positions, that is not very diverse. I'm glad Jim is here now but the current leadership position does not seem to be reflecting paizo's values of diversity, and considering much of these decisions seem to have been made in secret, It doesn't exactly garner trust from those of us who still have yet to hear anything from paizo on allegations of transphobia amongst other things.


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Solidarity and Support with the Paizo Workers Union!


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Sent mine too!!


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The union has been made! I'm hoping for the best from it! 30 members to start is a significant number and many of them are important folks paizo cant afford to lose. I think positive change may be coming if this turns out well

#UnionizePaizo

Good luck everyone, I wish you all the very best and all my support


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Thank you for clarifying Aaron, hopefully we get that official statement soon


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Also I don't mean to say this to sound like a jerk, but how long will we have to wait for them to get back to us with accountability? I understand these things take time but surely it can't take THAT long to communicate with the community? If there is an issue of discrimination against trans employees, I want to know, and I want to see it gone. I don't want the result of that problem, the hotel room incident, to be the only thing to be resolved. The hotel room wasn't the problem there, the transphobia was, and I want to know if paizo plans to properly address that problem moving forward.

I've given you time, I've been patient, and I want to support the amazing products that the creatives at paizo are making, but the longer this goes on the less certain I am that I can continue doing that. I may have to consider my spending decisions if so


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I appreciate the update and the knowledge that more will be coming each month but I wholeheartedly agree with others that I would like for this to be properly addressed and not just swept under the rug. I feel like what Aaron said was mostly just confirmation of what we already knew, which is fine and all, but its not enough to really get at the core of the issue (and others such as Keftiu and TwilightKnight have put it much more clearly and concisely than I am able to at the moment). I want to trust that paizo is not harming or being discriminatory to their trans employees, I want to believe them when they say they are diverse, but right now I'm not sure if I can. Please do better


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yeah, I'm glad that there's *some* silence being broken but I'd like more


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Is it? That's kind of weird...


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"Good luck with your continued brigade"

Honestly that just makes this sound way cooler than it actually is, we're just commenting on a forum but I like the imagery!


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I fully agree with everything Kobold Cleaver and Keftiu have said. Its depressing that we're still not hearing much aside from "we are having internal discussions" even if it may be true. I may not have the energy to keep up with all the transphobic comments for the sake of my own mental health but I wanted to thank the people who are continuing to voice their concerns and do the right thing, hopefully this will result in the positive change we hope to see


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is the map of trade routes on page 188 wrong? It shows Quantium and Dongun Hold as being really far south on Garund when it should be much further up to the northern half of Garund where the rest of the Impossible Lands are.

Otherwise this book is gorgeous and full of amazing work as usual! That little detail just stood out to me


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I hope some more information comes out soon. I understand they're busy shipping out products right now but the longer we go without hearing anything the more nervous I get. Fingers crossed


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Theres two gay male students and one of them is trans! There's plenty of beautiful art as usual and some cool oppurtunities to interact with some Terwa Lord lizardfolk, plus you get to stretch your legs and do some traveling


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Yeah, the open transphobia thats jumped out recently on the forums is incredibly concerning. People like that have no place in the Paizo community and I understand that customer service is probably busy right now but its still incredibly worrisome and It makes me worried for the future of paizo, and thats not even getting into the poster who shall not be named who wants to dox people. Stuff like that is not ok


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Aaron, your statement is much appreciated, however I shall still continue to voice my desires for improvement and change. I want to see paizo improve and if what you're saying is true, and I want to trust that it is, then I am glad that we are being heard. Either way, I just want to reiterate that I still stand by what I said before, I want the trans allegations to be addressed and for the employees to be treated better, whether it be the writers, editors, customer service or the folks who work hard to ship the products to us. I know paizo CAN do better, and I want to hope that they will, but only time will tell at this point, I'll be keeping an eye on this situation to see how it develops


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Telling a trans person who is understandably upset and hurt by the allegations of paizo's transphobia that she's "entitled" for wanting an explanation is quite frankly... kind of a bad faith reading of everything keftiu has said so far. She's been incredibly patient and respectful and I wholeheartedly agree with what she's said


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Has anyone gotten their copy yet? I'm dying to know what the new ancestry is


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Being pointlessly negative isn't going to help. I'd rather keep on discussing this and pushing for positive change


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Jessica may be a divisive and passionate individual but her claims have been corroborated by *multiple* former and even some current paizo employees. I don't care if you don't like her, that doesn't mean she's not telling the truth. I choose to believe the multiple people that have come forward with their allegations, I have thought hard on this and I know what I'm doing thank you very much


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Yeah, I know Jeff said more actions and more statements are coming but...what we've had so far hasn't exactly left me feeling confident. I'd like to hope that the silence is because they're busy working things out so that next time they make a statement it reflects that but thats just wishful thinking


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I just wanted to say I basically wholeheartedly agree with the stuff kobold cleaver mentioned, honestly I don't feel like I could say it as well as they did lol. I'm super grateful as well for how far the people working at paizo have come and it shows in their products, working with diverse voices to create products like the Lost Omens Mwangi Expanse and including so much LGBT diversity in the Lost Omens Legends books really make me feel at home and is much improved from the early days (im sorry I don't know the names of who is responsible for the representation, but im sure there were many wonderful and talented people involved and im incredibly thankful for all of them). The reason I've been so passionate about the recent stuff going on is because I genuinely honestly wish for the best for all paizo employees, not just the wonderful writers and artists, but the editors, customer service, the people who work hard to get the products shipped and to our homes....the list goes on.

Golarion means a lot to me, and I want to continue supporting it and the many wonderful people who take part in its creation. I simply hope that things improve for you all because y'all deserve the best


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I really hope paizo or someone at paizo says something soon. We haven't heard from them in a bit which is very concerning. I understand right now they're probably busy getting orders shipped out but it still leaves me feeling anxious that they're planning to sweep this under the rug and not fully address it


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Even on twitter its been incredibly tame. The *worst* stuff I've seen is demanding Jeff Alvarez to resign after frankly, an astonishingly empty statement when the allegations first came out. Even THAT is not that bad, I haven't seen one person demanding violence or anything of that level, just accountability


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I just want the employees to be treated fairly and not discriminated against, and also compensated properly for their efforts among other things (like cutting back on crunch time, hiring more diverse voices, etc) and I KNOW paizo has the potential and ability to do better, I want to actually see them do it. Pathfinder, Golarion and the stories told within this game and world mean a lot to me and many others. The people who actually make these things and who work hard to ship them to us, answer our questions, etc all deserve to be treated better.


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Its not worth wasting energy responding to people who already have it ingrained in their mind that anything "woke" (LGBT or POC representation, diversity, equality, etc) is bad and that people demanding a company who has made mistakes should do better, because we actually LIKE the stuff they make and the people who make them, characterizing us as some sort of "mob" or something silly (I didn't realize saying "hey paizo, these allegations are concerning and we have reason to believe they're true, we'd like an explanation" is mob behavior lmao, I thought we needed pitchforks for that)
Either way whether or not they agree, its very clear to a number of people that multiple employees have come forth with concerns about how the company handles things, and thats enough for us to want paizo to properly explain themselves. I've said it before but I love the pathfinder world and the stories that the employees make, and I hope they're treated well, because they deserve it


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Tholok, you seem to be under the illusion that we live in a world in which things are always fair and always work out. Unfortunately, we do not live in such a world and many employees simply do not have the option to take legal action. Additionally, the law is not always right, the law is amoral and in many ways, is wrong. There are laws that allow people to discriminate against LGBT folk on the basis of "religious freedom" despite the separation of church and state being in our ammendment, and in my opinion, any law that allows discrimination is a morally reprehensible law. I'd love to live in the world you think we do, but we simply don't. I believe the employees, both current and former, and I hope paizo will do better.

You can continue turning your nose up and "opposing" #paizoaccountability, but its not going to stop me. I want the employees that create the worlds and stories that I love to be compensated fairly and treated with respect.


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Yeah, the representation and diversity in paizo products means a lot to me, but knowing that real life trans folks are being mistreated hurts. Not to mention it doesn't fully address the initial issue, it feels like a band aid. (kobold cleaver put it much more eloquently but i just wanted to say i wholeheartedly agree)


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Not meaning to be harmful and discriminatory doesn't absolve you of actually being harmful or discriminatory. I could hurt someone and say "but I didn't mean to!" but that doesn't change the fact that my actions or words still hurt someone. If Paizo made a mistake, its their responsibility to own up to it, apologize, and do better, regardless of their intent


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For a company that includes so much inclusivity and diversity in their books, hearing that they haven't been so fair and kind to their real life trans employees or fair in their hiring practices are serious claims, and as an LGBT individual who loves pathfinder 2e and golarion, it hurts a lot. It would be so easy to simply say "well we don't know for sure if its true" but multiple people have corroborated these claims, it would be willful ignorance to refuse to admit that there's any issue. I *know* paizo can do better, the question is simply whether they *will* do better, or if they'll do what many other companies have, and sweep this controversy under the rug


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the reduced spell slots and 6+con hp for psychic feels a little punishing without *quite* enough to back it up, I think this should be addressed cuz I feel like it just looks worse than an occult bloodline sorcerer which isnt what it deserves to be. Oracle is also focus spell focused and has normal amount of spell slots and 8+con hp so i dont see why psychic should be different

Either way i love the mechanics of both classes quite a lot, though I'd love to see more "Trick magic item" style feats for the Thaumaturge. Their core ability of "Find Flaw + Antithesis" feels a bit close to investigator and I'd love to see the "magic item expert" element really shine and stand out, as the implements are super cool and the talisman/scroll feats are super fun


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At the end of the day, my concern is the employees. I just want them to be treated better. They're responsible for the stories and the game that we all love and it breaks my heart to hear that they're being mistreated. If paizo can't improve things for the employees im not sure ill be able to support their products anymore


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Once again I must reiterate: my main concern through all of this, is that the employees who are responsible for the wonderful content we love are being mistreated and I want things to improve for them. A boilerplate statement that "things will improve" isn't enough to convince me that they will, I want more, otherwise I'm not sure I'll be able to keep supporting paizo products


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
You don't release the pressure if you still see ongoing bleeding.

This. We've seen situations in the past where executives and higher ups in a company make one small change to shut us up and insist they'll do better but then it stops there. I love pathfinder and I want paizo to do better, but the past has shown me that we *need* to keep the pressure up if we want to see them actually continue to make good on those changes in the future


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im loving both of these classes so far, my biggest concern is just Psychics being so squishy and having so few spell slots in exchange for more cantrips which doesn't feel like a fair trade off, especially when compared to witch, wizard or sorcerer who either have extra spell slots or other stuff to help compensate, and I'm not sure if amped cantrips are *quite* on the same level, especially since they don't get Deepest Wellspring as part of their class like how Oracle gets all their focus spell regeneration feats as features.

Otherwise these classes look lovely!

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