Pathfinder Secrets of Magic

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Discover the untold potential of magic! Secrets of Magic, the newest hardcover rulebook for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game! Secrets of Magic brings the popular magus and summoner classes into Pathfinder Second Edition, unlocking heroes who combine magical might with martial prowess and offering command of a powerful magical companion creature. The lavishly illustrated, 256-page rulebook contains hundreds of new spells with potent offerings for all spellcasting character classes, magic items for any player character, and lore detailing the fundamental structure and theories of magic. A special section within the volume—the Book of Unlimited Magic—presents new methods of spellcasting, with elementalism, geomancy, shadow magic, rune magic, and even pervasive magic to give every place and creature in your game a magical spin!

Written by Logan Bonner, Mark Seifter, and Amirali Attar Olyaee, Kate Baker, Minty Belmont, Logan Bonner, James Case, Jessica Catalan, John Compton, Katina Davis, Jesse Decker, Chris Eng, Eleanor Ferron, Leo Glass, Joan Hong, Vanessa Hoskins, Jason Keeley, Joshua Kim, Luis Loza, Ron Lundeen, Liane Merciel, David N. Ross, Ianara Natividad, Chesley Oxendine, Stephen Radney‑MacFarland, Shiv Ramdas, Mikhail Rekun, Simone D. Sallé, Michael Sayre, Mark Seifter, Sen H.H.S., Shay Snow, Kendra Leigh Speedling, Tan Shao Han, Calliope Lee Taylor, Mari Tokuda, Jason Tondro, Clark Valentine, Ruvaid Virk, Andrew White, Landon Winkler, Tonya Woldridge, and Isis Wozniakowska

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Delivers

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Does what it says and does it very good.


Excellent Book

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This is my favorite book released recently. Great lore sections on magic, lots of interesting spells and items. Both the Magus and the Summoner are great new classes that cover territory not previously explored.


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Great book! love the updates!


Really good book but without errata, so don't recommend

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Goblin Guard wrote:

I have never really understood the whole "spoiler" culture around RPG releases. To me, it's not like a narrative, where ruining the surprise can spoil some of the fun.

Instead, these new RPG mechanics seem more like releases of say, a new phone or (non-story heavy) video game, where the interest is in the function rather than the story.

Of course, if it hurts Paizo's sales that's a different matter.

If people knowing the mechanics of what they are going to buy impacts their sales of a mechanics and game system oriented supplement, perhaps they should reconsider those mechanics.

Like you said, it's not a story driven supplement. There's not really a lot to ruin here, people are going to need to thoroughly read it before using it. So if people being aware of those mechanics and systems before they buy means they aren't interested in the product those rules and systems aren't engaging enough or offering what their consumer wants.

The exception would be people releasing enough information for people to use those systems and rules without paying for the product. But that's no longer a simple review of it then and is a whole different issue.

Video games these days get copies out into reviewers and influencers hands far enough in advance of the release for them to actually create a useful and informative review on release day with sufficient personal experience with the product. Then consumers can make an informed decision on their purchase. A supplement like this should be no different. There should be no loss if it is a worthwhile supplement for people to spend their money on, and if it is particularly good some good reviews out there could help bolster sales rather than harm them.

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Darius Alazario wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Hi. I'm back from a lovely long weekend.

We've received two clear communications internally that the August 25 Street Date, including Secrets of Magic, has rolled to September 1. (I can get the word out about via social media faster than our webstore can update pages.) The PDFs will go on sale when the print products go on sale. We apologize for any confusion.

This really needs to be worked on.. there is no excuse for a company with an online store to not be able to appropriately update the product information. I should not need to dig through dozens of pages of comments to find out what the REAL release date of a product is or follow your social media.

I understand it's easiest to get the news out first that way but within a matter of hours (if not minutes) at the very least the product page should reflect this information and not have a big "PDF Available Tomorrow" when it wont be. And this is a change in release date that has been known for far longer than a day or two even.

Certain static web pages may take more time and effort to update but your store should not. It should be tied into a sufficiently robust ecommerce solution to allow you to update your product catalog with relative ease and not keep your customers guessing. Not to mention I've heard from others who have your rulebook subscription they got emails (automated as they may be) as recently as yesterday telling them to expect the product to be available for them. Maybe this is due to the subscription system getting things a bit early but given how the information on these delays is not clear and readily available it's impossible to tell, and only causing more confusion.

In all it makes it look like Paizo is not concerned with keeping their customers clearly informed about their product releases and availability. Given the general useability and style of the website I suspect it is more a side effect of using outdated and difficult to maintain systems and Paizo as a company should really look at...

It's not simple, but they are working on it.


So the only way to get the PDF Version in the anounced month is per subscription now? Because it seems those People who have one are able to enjoy the books already.

I am asking because I am not from the US and 35€ for shipping is a little steap price to pay.

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Vulpys wrote:

So the only way to get the PDF Version in the anounced month is per subscription now? Because it seems those People who have one are able to enjoy the books already.

I am asking because I am not from the US and 35€ for shipping is a little steap price to pay.

No, the only way to maybe get it before the street date is to have a subscription. The street date changed for all customers. It sucks, but we're still in the middle of a global pandemic where shipping lanes are overburdened because people can't leave their homes for every little thing like they're used to and are relying on shipping a lot more. Subscribers don't get the PDF early by default, they get it when their physical book ships. Many times that happens to be before the street date, but that is not a guarantee. Subscribers very well could get their PDF after the street date, and that very thing has happened to me multiple times. The subscription benefit is a free PDF not an early PDF.


I understand the delay for releasing the physical copy. What I can't understand is why the PDF is being delayed. As an electronic format, it is not bound by any of the logistical considerations of the physical copy (manufacturing, shipping, et al).

There is no justifiable reason for Paizo to delay the availability of the PDF, except perhaps for the fear that it *might* hurt their bottom line. It won't, BTW. People who buy physical copies do it because they like holding a massive tome in their hands and the satisfaction of adding an official item to their collection; they're not going to suddenly settle for a PDF just because it comes out first.

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Releasing the PDFs early completely ignores the impact it will have on brick and mortar stores, among things. So yes, there is very much a reason to not release it before street date.

Silver Crusade

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NotButter wrote:

I understand the delay for releasing the physical copy. What I can't understand is why the PDF is being delayed. As an electronic format, it is not bound by any of the logistical considerations of the physical copy (manufacturing, shipping, et al).

There is no justifiable reason for Paizo to delay the availability of the PDF, except perhaps for the fear that it *might* hurt their bottom line. It won't, BTW. People who buy physical copies do it because they like holding a massive tome in their hands and the satisfaction of adding an official item to their collection; they're not going to suddenly settle for a PDF just because it comes out first.

Like Rysky said, this is something that they do out of fairness for their FLGS partners. If they burn those bridges, the FLGS owners may just stop deciding to sell their books, and then we all lose out.

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Paizo has a complete PDF months before the print copies arrive in our warehouse. If the company thought selling them early was a smart business decision it could have done so years ago. We have no plans to do so at this time. We will not participate in further discussion. Thank you for your enthusiasm, patience, and patronage during this time of internationally inconsistent shipping. We share your frustration in that.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
It's not simple, but they are working on it.

That would be more convincing if this website hadn't been nigh unusable for years. At this point, "web pages are hard" alone can't reasonably explain Paizo's chronic inability to get this right.

Grand Lodge

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I don't feel like you actually read the restrictions they are working under.

By all means, say the benefits of giving up some of those requirements outweighs the loss of those standards. I might even agree. But Paizo clearly doesn't.

Silver Crusade

???


TriOmegaZero wrote:

I don't feel like you actually read the restrictions they are working under.

By all means, say the benefits of giving up some of those requirements outweighs the loss of those standards. I might even agree. But Paizo clearly doesn't.

You're right; I haven't. Because they've been "fixing the website" for years...but somehow it never really gets better.

At some point the only logical conclusion is that it just isn't a priority.

Grand Lodge

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Isn't a priority worth demolishing everything and starting over from, at least.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Isn't a priority worth demolishing everything and starting over from, at least.

I appreciate -- probably better than most -- that rebuilding complex software from scratch is a daunting prospect. But I have also learned the hard way that sometimes it is necessary. A 15+ year old custom website strikes me as very likely to be one of those times.

Don't get me wrong; I hope that this time there is real improvement. But I know we've both heard this story before...

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"Want for improvement" and "nigh unusable" are two veeeery different things.


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Rysky wrote:
"Want for improvement" and "nigh unusable" are two veeeery different things.

I completely agree. It's just that in my experience, this website is genuinely nigh unusable.

About 25% of the time when I click on a product page, the page refuses to load, instead throwing an error that "The requested URL was not found on this server, or you do not have permission to access this area." Reloading a few times eventually fixes it. But in order to even get the site to work even *that* well, I've had to configure Chrome to automatically purge Paizo cookies every time I close it. Before doing that, more often than not I was unable to even load the front page -- the articles would never load -- or check out. This was across multiple browsers, OSes and devices. Several of my friends (@TOZ -- such as Tom, who as you know is a professional web developer) routinely experience similar problems; meanwhile, I see these issues literally nowhere else.

I'm happy for people who don't have these problems, but there's a reason this website is often held up as the example of how not to do ecommerce: It is comically bad, and has been for the better part of a decade.

Edit: Look, I apologize for the rant, but one can only hear "improvements are coming" so many times before it rankles. The simple truth is that this should have been sorted years ago.


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sooooo anyways. how bout them secrets of magic, huh? sure are pretty secret. so secret i don’t even have them yet <.<

soon

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Well this is depressing, I was happily expecting to get chance to read pdf today :'D


we start a new campaign on sunday, and one of the players wants to be a magus ;-;

and i mean. the other casters might have new stuff too. soooo ye


Oh bugger, I was so eager to get my hands on PDF today to give it a look before the next game session.
Oh well, on the bright side of things - I have less distraction on planning things for the session...


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I was looking for forward to my pdf today but I am not sure why I should have known paizo dates on their online store are purely hypothetical and don't get updated until after they are missed.


Yesterday it said the release date for the PDF would have been today. Now I go to this page and find out that it's moved to september...

That's quite annoying. It seems you knew already the date was not correct... I don't understand why you waited until today to change it. That's even more annoying.


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Aaron Shanks wrote:
Paizo has a complete PDF months before the print copies arrive in our warehouse. If the company thought selling them early was a smart business decision it could have done so years ago. We have no plans to do so at this time. We will not participate in further discussion. Thank you for your enthusiasm, patience, and patronage during this time of internationally inconsistent shipping. We share your frustration in that.

The only thing you needed to do early, in my opinion, was changing the date of the pdf sale on this page, as soon as you knew/could.

Anyway I remain super excited for this book, I'm sure it will be amazing. Thank you!

Silver Crusade

Disappointed regarding the last minute street date update, but excited when the PDF finally does drop.


oh come on! why so short? I cleared my schedule for this and yesterday in the evening it was still on time!


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Ryan Heck | Aqualith Media wrote:
Disappointed regarding the last minute street date update, but excited when the PDF finally does drop.

It wasn't a last minute update -- the street date changed was mentioned over a week ago in the August subscription thread in the Customer Service forum. But I guess there is very little reason for non-subscribers to be checking that thread.


Seisho wrote:
oh come on! why so short? I cleared my schedule for this and yesterday in the evening it was still on time!

It hasn't been on-time for about a week now. The store page was just never updated, but Paizo has been communicating the date change on socials and other users have been trying to word of mouth spread the date change as well.

Silver Crusade

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It was also mentioned several times in this thread that the street date changed.


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cavernshark wrote:
Seisho wrote:
oh come on! why so short? I cleared my schedule for this and yesterday in the evening it was still on time!
It hasn't been on-time for about a week now. The store page was just never updated, but Paizo has been communicating the date change on socials and other users have been trying to word of mouth spread the date change as well.
Cori Marie wrote:
It was also mentioned several times in this thread that the street date changed.

not helpful

Can't be that hard to update the store page
It is not like I check every single post in an extensively long thread or every blog post

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bugleyman wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:

I don't feel like you actually read the restrictions they are working under.

By all means, say the benefits of giving up some of those requirements outweighs the loss of those standards. I might even agree. But Paizo clearly doesn't.

You're right; I haven't. Because they've been "fixing the website" for years...but somehow it never really gets better.

At some point the only logical conclusion is that it just isn't a priority.

I have to agree... I get the points made in the post originally linked about them working to update it but even if they can not do a full overhaul they 100% COULD make it a priority to fix certain specific issues that are detrimental to their business IF it were a priority, such as not being able to easily update product information in a timely manner. The only conclusion is that even this specific issue isn't a significant priority to them. The entire site is outdated and riddled with issues. And they know people will just put up with it so they're not focusing any attention there, even when it comes to something as basic (in terms of general site operability not necessarily in implementation) as clearly updating their users on the availability and release dates of their products.

They have a store, the product has a release date on it.. I shouldn't need to scroll through over a dozen pages of comments to find out when it comes out. I shouldn't need to follow their twitter account to find out when it comes out. It SHOULD say it right there and it SHOULD be accurate. That's not a lot to ask out of a store, it's a basic requirement of a decent web store, and they are failing.


The fact Paizo did not update the release date for this until the day-of, despite knowing for at least a week before, is a clear sign that PDF purchasers are a second tier concern. Makes me really not wanna support them anymore.

If it legitimately takes you a week to change a product date on your website, your website is unusable and needs to be rewritten from scratch as your top priority.

Silver Crusade

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This thread is meant to discuss the product, not the specifics of the webstore. I get your frustration, but the best place to voice that is in a thread in the proper forum for it, so that the web developers can see it, rather than in a thread meant to discuss a specific product.


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Cori Marie wrote:
This thread is meant to discuss the product, not the specifics of the webstore. I get your frustration, but the best place to voice that is in a thread in the proper forum for it, so that the web developers can see it, rather than in a thread meant to discuss a specific product.

The product is being delayed, we are discussing the product. At least as much as we can, since they've delayed it.

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draecas wrote:

The fact Paizo did not update the release date for this until the day-of, despite knowing for at least a week before, is a clear sign that PDF purchasers are a second tier concern. Makes me really not wanna support them anymore.

If it legitimately takes you a week to change a product date on your website, your website is unusable and needs to be rewritten from scratch as your top priority.

While we communicated the release date delay on social media and in several forums posts, our product pages were only recently updated. We do apologize for the miscommunication and hear your frustration. We value all our customers both on paizo.com and at your favorite local game store. Thank you.


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Excited for this! Having to wait a week more for the PDF isn't a big deal, still very much looking forward to it.

Keep up the awesome work!


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Know Direction will be doing a live stream on Twitch tonight, August 25 @ 9:00 pm - 11:00 pm EDT, with Logan Bonner, the design lead on Secrets of Magic, where they say they will be "...breaking down Secrets of Magic with the design lead, Logan Bonner."


Aaron Shanks wrote:
draecas wrote:
The fact Paizo did not update the release date for this until the day-of, despite knowing for at least a week before, is a clear sign that PDF purchasers are a second tier concern.
While we communicated the release date delay on social media and in several forums posts, our product pages were only recently updated. We do apologize for the miscommunication and hear your frustration. We value all our customers both on paizo.com and at your favorite local game store. Thank you.

I was coming here to ask what happened in frustration as well. I was really looking forward to reading Secrets of Magic today. Why was the PDF delayed? There are already quite a few people with PDFs so I don't understand why it was delayed by a week (even if the physical book was delayed).

Liberty's Edge

How come we didn't get any magus or summoner gear kits this time? I really find those useful for shopping shorthand. Is the assumption just that you can probably buy one of the others, like maybe the swashbuckler or sorcerer kits, and call it good?


Ashanderai wrote:
Know Direction will be doing a live stream on Twitch tonight, August 25 @ 9:00 pm - 11:00 pm EDT, with Logan Bonner, the design lead on Secrets of Magic, where they say they will be "...breaking down Secrets of Magic with the design lead, Logan Bonner."

Very exciting.

Just for expectation calibration, since this is the same day as the original release, is this supposed to be a "Hey everyone has their books" deep dive, or a "Slightly Spoilery" teaser?

Either way I probably will watch, these sort of community streams are exactly what I love. I just want to make sure I know what I am getting into.


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*deep breathing*

My birthday was August 24th. I check the website only sporadically so it was a surprise to me, even with the information being available on other sources.

But you know what? I'm trying my best to be understanding. Delays happen. Shit happens. We can't point fingers at Paizo or the writers or whomever is nearby.

HOWEVER, it sure would be nice to read some reasoning behind this. Surely the book is complete, so... are they adding the errata? Was there last minute touches? Or was it simply because the physical book will be delayed for reasons out of the publisher control and it's writen somewhere secret that book-buyers need to receive the book first and only then can people FROM OTHER CONTINENTS (like me) be able to read them too?

I'm not mad... I just would very much like to know why the date was changed. Pretty please, with sugar on top. Why?

Silver Crusade

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Twilight2k wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:
draecas wrote:
The fact Paizo did not update the release date for this until the day-of, despite knowing for at least a week before, is a clear sign that PDF purchasers are a second tier concern.
While we communicated the release date delay on social media and in several forums posts, our product pages were only recently updated. We do apologize for the miscommunication and hear your frustration. We value all our customers both on paizo.com and at your favorite local game store. Thank you.
I was coming here to ask what happened in frustration as well. I was really looking forward to reading Secrets of Magic today. Why was the PDF delayed? There are already quite a few people with PDFs so I don't understand why it was delayed by a week (even if the physical book was delayed).

Because the street dates for the PDF and the physical book are linked. This is in fairness for Friendly Local Game Stores, so that they're not selling a product that has been publicly available for a week when they are legally allowed to sell their copies. The people that have already gotten their copies are subscribers who get their copies when their subscription ships. Sometimes that is before the street date, sometimes it's on the street date, sometimes it's after the street date.

Silver Crusade

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Invictus Spartan wrote:

*deep breathing*

My birthday was August 24th. I check the website only sporadically so it was a surprise to me, even with the information being available on other sources.

But you know what? I'm trying my best to be understanding. Delays happen. S~%$ happens. We can't point fingers at Paizo or the writers or whomever is nearby.

HOWEVER, it sure would be nice to read some reasoning behind this. Surely the book is complete, so... are they adding the errata? Was there last minute touches? Or was it simply because the physical book will be delayed for reasons out of the publisher control and it's writen somewhere secret that book-buyers need to receive the book first and only then can people FROM OTHER CONTINENTS (like me) be able to read them too?

I'm not mad... I just would very much like to know why the date was changed. Pretty please, with sugar on top. Why?

The street date of the physical copy got changed because of shipping issues. Since the two dates are linked, both get affected.


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Invictus Spartan wrote:

*deep breathing*

My birthday was August 24th. I check the website only sporadically so it was a surprise to me, even with the information being available on other sources.

But you know what? I'm trying my best to be understanding. Delays happen. S~+* happens. We can't point fingers at Paizo or the writers or whomever is nearby.

HOWEVER, it sure would be nice to read some reasoning behind this. Surely the book is complete, so... are they adding the errata? Was there last minute touches? Or was it simply because the physical book will be delayed for reasons out of the publisher control and it's writen somewhere secret that book-buyers need to receive the book first and only then can people FROM OTHER CONTINENTS (like me) be able to read them too?

I'm not mad... I just would very much like to know why the date was changed. Pretty please, with sugar on top. Why?

This is how the Paizo model has worked for years. They send out pdfs to subscribers when they ship the product, which I believe has something to do with when they can charge them.

But for your more specific question, it has to do with agreements with traditional brick and mortar stores. Street date is a hard thing, and violating it in any market is usually a huge deal. So, if they push back street date to September 1st, then they *Cannot* be selling product directly before that date.

I do think it is a bit of an outdated system, but we don't have access to Paizo's numbers, as the Marketing Manager has made clear they have looked at alternatives and found them to not be financially viable.

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draecas wrote:

The fact Paizo did not update the release date for this until the day-of, despite knowing for at least a week before, is a clear sign that PDF purchasers are a second tier concern. Makes me really not wanna support them anymore.

If it legitimately takes you a week to change a product date on your website, your website is unusable and needs to be rewritten from scratch as your top priority.

Priority number one: Make money to stay in business

Priority number two: see priority number one

Reality is that Paizo states that PF2 is doing gangbusters in terms of overall sales (even if people are reporting serious drops of interest in different locales). They have to weigh potential sales disruption of webpage redesign with any benefit. Reality is that people who complain on the forums are already huge fans who will buy even if they grumble. There is no financial benefit to webpage redesign in their eyes if they are already doing blockbuster business


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John Ryan 783 wrote:
Ashanderai wrote:
Know Direction will be doing a live stream on Twitch tonight, August 25 @ 9:00 pm - 11:00 pm EDT, with Logan Bonner, the design lead on Secrets of Magic, where they say they will be "...breaking down Secrets of Magic with the design lead, Logan Bonner."

Very exciting.

Just for expectation calibration, since this is the same day as the original release, is this supposed to be a "Hey everyone has their books" deep dive, or a "Slightly Spoilery" teaser?

Either way I probably will watch, these sort of community streams are exactly what I love. I just want to make sure I know what I am getting into.

I don't think the interview has anything to do with the change in release date, but I cannot know for sure as I do not work for Paizo or Know Direction. Know Direction does this kind of interview for every major release, as far as I know.

Going by other Know Direction interviews with Paizo folks on an imminent release, I don't believe the change in release date will have any impact on what is discussed in the stream. I'm confident it will be full of spoilers for those who don't already have the PDF. If I recall correctly it was like this for the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide, where we learned a lot during the stream that had not been revealed before and the PDF was only in the hands of subscribers at that point and not yet available to the broader public because the street date had not yet occurred at the time of the interview. I remember being a subscriber who did not yet have the PDF, but was finding spoilers on the forums and reddit from other subscribers, and I still found the interview by Know Direction to be very helpful in understanding what was coming in the book.

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Ashanderai wrote:
John Ryan 783 wrote:
Ashanderai wrote:
Know Direction will be doing a live stream on Twitch tonight, August 25 @ 9:00 pm - 11:00 pm EDT, with Logan Bonner, the design lead on Secrets of Magic, where they say they will be "...breaking down Secrets of Magic with the design lead, Logan Bonner."

Very exciting.

Just for expectation calibration, since this is the same day as the original release, is this supposed to be a "Hey everyone has their books" deep dive, or a "Slightly Spoilery" teaser?

Either way I probably will watch, these sort of community streams are exactly what I love. I just want to make sure I know what I am getting into.

I don't think the interview has anything to do with the change in release date, but I cannot know for sure as I do not work for Paizo or Know Direction. Know Direction does this kind of interview for every major release, as far as I know.

Going by other Know Direction interviews with Paizo folks on an imminent release, I don't believe the change in release date will have any impact on what is discussed in the stream. I'm confident it will be full of spoilers for those who don't already have the PDF. If I recall correctly it was like this for the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide, where we learned a lot during the stream that had not been revealed before and the PDF was only in the hands of subscribers at that point and not yet available to the broader public because the street date had not yet occurred at the time of the interview. I remember being a subscriber who did not yet have the PDF, but was finding spoilers on the forums and reddit from other subscribers, and I still found the interview by Know Direction to be very helpful in understanding what was coming in the book.

To clarify, this may be the only show they intend to devote to Secrets of Magic so I have told them they can make it as spoilery as they need. It can be a preview with Logan and then a review after he leaves. I think that is their style. I will then promote it on our socials after September 1.


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Seisho wrote:
It is not like I check every single post in an extensively long thread or every blog post

I don't do that. I do read the new posts every day. Maybe you should try that.


Aaron Shanks wrote:
While we communicated the release date delay on social media and in several forums posts, our product pages were only recently updated. We do apologize for the miscommunication and hear your frustration. We value all our customers both on paizo.com and at your favorite local game store. Thank you.

Thank you, Aaron. I too had been watching the product page, so yesterday came as a bit of an unpleasant surprise. Sorry for venting my frustration with the webpage in general in this thread; it wasn't really the place for it.


A question for those with the pdf: Which variation of Cathartic Magic is your favorite, and why?

Grand Lodge

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Man, this is a beautiful book.

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