Pathfinder Secrets of Magic

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Discover the untold potential of magic! Secrets of Magic, the newest hardcover rulebook for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game! Secrets of Magic brings the popular magus and summoner classes into Pathfinder Second Edition, unlocking heroes who combine magical might with martial prowess and offering command of a powerful magical companion creature. The lavishly illustrated, 256-page rulebook contains hundreds of new spells with potent offerings for all spellcasting character classes, magic items for any player character, and lore detailing the fundamental structure and theories of magic. A special section within the volume—the Book of Unlimited Magic—presents new methods of spellcasting, with elementalism, geomancy, shadow magic, rune magic, and even pervasive magic to give every place and creature in your game a magical spin!

Written by Logan Bonner, Mark Seifter, and Amirali Attar Olyaee, Kate Baker, Minty Belmont, Logan Bonner, James Case, Jessica Catalan, John Compton, Katina Davis, Jesse Decker, Chris Eng, Eleanor Ferron, Leo Glass, Joan Hong, Vanessa Hoskins, Jason Keeley, Joshua Kim, Luis Loza, Ron Lundeen, Liane Merciel, David N. Ross, Ianara Natividad, Chesley Oxendine, Stephen Radney‑MacFarland, Shiv Ramdas, Mikhail Rekun, Simone D. Sallé, Michael Sayre, Mark Seifter, Sen H.H.S., Shay Snow, Kendra Leigh Speedling, Tan Shao Han, Calliope Lee Taylor, Mari Tokuda, Jason Tondro, Clark Valentine, Ruvaid Virk, Andrew White, Landon Winkler, Tonya Woldridge, and Isis Wozniakowska

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-345-4



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Horizon Thunder sphere and Sin Magic are the best here.

2/5

The only reason this isn't 1 star is due to the Lore and art, both superb and the few spells feats that are actually useful.

Instead of fixing Witch and/or spell attacks as a whole, there is a lot added that isn't even comparably good compared to what has been added between the CRB and other first party material.

The disappointment here was agonizing.


5/5


Reveal you Secrets!

5/5

This was absolutely everything I wanted.

I love the Lore on magic and all the new things you can use.

My upcoming campaign villain now has all the magic he needs for his darkest of deeds.


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Is it possible to the play the "Blade and Book" Magus that was hinted at in the playtest?


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Ventnor wrote:
Is it possible to the play the "Blade and Book" Magus that was hinted at in the playtest?

Yes. The Sparkling Targe hybrid study works with anything that behaves like a shield and even mentions the Raise a Tome feat. It gives you shield block.

Also, Raise a Tome is still in as a first level feat, that gives you +2 AC, and lets you block if you have the shield block feat.

The level 6 Shielded Tome feat lets you fuse a shield into your tome to gain its hardness and hp, as well as switch the book into a physical shield to use special shield abilities if you want.


WatersLethe wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
Is it possible to the play the "Blade and Book" Magus that was hinted at in the playtest?

Yes. The Sparkling Targe hybrid study works with anything that behaves like a shield and even mentions the Raise a Tome feat. It gives you shield block.

Also, Raise a Tome is still in as a first level feat, that gives you +2 AC, and lets you block if you have the shield block feat.

The level 6 Shielded Tome feat lets you fuse a shield into your tome to gain its hardness and hp, as well as switch the book into a physical shield to use special shield abilities if you want.

Awesome! Thank you!


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I keep seeing the word "targe" in descriptions of Secrets of Magic material. I initially assumed that it was a typo for "target" by the posters, but it seems to happen far too often for that to be the case. So, just what is a "targe"?

Scarab Sages

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Fumarole wrote:
After rereading the spell I think you may be right.

And after looking at it more, I think it's going to prompt a lot of debate on how it works. The first three actions specifically say you are Casting a Spell. Then you don't finish the spell and you "spend three actions to empower the spell."

That seems to imply that the second three actions are not the Cast a Spell activity, and thus would provoke AoO. And can people change their minds? If I don't finish the spell after three actions, and decide not to further empower on my next turn, can I just let the spell go off and use my three actions for something else? Or am I locked into the 2 round version when I declare the spell, and if I don't complete them the spell just fizzles.

I'm inclined to use the most generous interpretation—no AoO on round 2, and if conditions on the battlefield change you can just release the spell at the start of your turn and do something else. But I feel like variable actions beyond one round really needed their own sidebar or further detail, rather than just being included (and repeated on every spell) with the spell action description.


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David knott 242 wrote:


I keep seeing the word "targe" in descriptions of Secrets of Magic material. I initially assumed that it was a typo for "target" by the posters, but it seems to happen far too often for that to be the case. So, just what is a "targe"?

Sorry website just broke. Targe is a type of shield.

Scarab Sages

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David knott 242 wrote:

I keep seeing the word "targe" in descriptions of Secrets of Magic material. I initially assumed that it was a typo for "target" by the posters, but it seems to happen far too often for that to be the case. So, just what is a "targe"?

Sparkling Targe is a type of hybrid study for the Magus.


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David knott 242 wrote:


I keep seeing the word "targe" in descriptions of Secrets of Magic material. I initially assumed that it was a typo for "target" by the posters, but it seems to happen far too often for that to be the case. So, just what is a "targe"?

Funnily enough, the word Target descends from Targe. It's a smallish shield.


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Here's more general information on the word targe

Hope it helps.


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Did they decide not to make the PDF available as soon as your book ships this time around? Sad :(


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quick idea
pixie summoner with a construct eidolon and merge
so the compared to him/her summons a giant robot to pilot

pathfinder had mechs before starfinder

also anime figures are life size representations of pixies

Scarab Sages

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Khybersghost wrote:
Did they decide not to make the PDF available as soon as your book ships this time around? Sad :(

Nope. I downloaded mine the moment I got the shipping notice. Some people might be mistaking their authorization notice for the shipping notice.


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TomParker wrote:
Khybersghost wrote:
Did they decide not to make the PDF available as soon as your book ships this time around? Sad :(
Nope. I downloaded mine the moment I got the shipping notice. Some people might be mistaking their authorization notice for the shipping notice.

Also, you have to be a subscriber to the rulebook (regular or special edition) line to get a PDF. If you just ordered a copy of the book on its own, you don't get a PDF when it ships.

Silver Crusade

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Add me to the list of folks whose order came through! Next worry, how do I tell my groups the weekend games are over until I'm done reading...? /j


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David knott 242 wrote:
TomParker wrote:
Khybersghost wrote:
Did they decide not to make the PDF available as soon as your book ships this time around? Sad :(
Nope. I downloaded mine the moment I got the shipping notice. Some people might be mistaking their authorization notice for the shipping notice.

Also, you have to be a subscriber to the rulebook (regular or special edition) line to get a PDF. If you just ordered a copy of the book on its own, you don't get a PDF when it ships.

Ah, that may be it. It certainly looks like a shipping notification I got on the 16th. Hopefully it gets here before the 25th.


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would someone mind elaborating on the Flame and Wildfire Druid orders?

Silver Crusade

They’re the same thing.

Preventing unnatural fires and using fire responsibility, they get abilties to not be bothered by Smokey environments, deal fire damage to attackers as Reaction, and fire pew pew spells.


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After reading through it have to say that my favorite parts are all the In-Setting discussions on magic. Which is not to say I didn't like the spells and classes, those bits of lore really just tickle my fantasy geek brain center.


Squeakmaan wrote:
After reading through it have to say that my favorite parts are all the In-Setting discussions on magic. Which is not to say I didn't like the spells and classes, those bits of lore really just tickle my fantasy geek brain center.

The occult essay is a lot of fun - but I’m still struggling to figure out how any of it links to aberrations and cosmic weirdness.


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keftiu wrote:
Squeakmaan wrote:
After reading through it have to say that my favorite parts are all the In-Setting discussions on magic. Which is not to say I didn't like the spells and classes, those bits of lore really just tickle my fantasy geek brain center.
The occult essay is a lot of fun - but I’m still struggling to figure out how any of it links to aberrations and cosmic weirdness.

My interpretation is that that stuff lies in the formless unknowable spaces, and is so alien to use that the tips of the iceberg that breach our reality take on themes from other things we often fear, hence tentacles, insectile looks, etc.

Which then serves as a retroactive framework for the existing visual theming of aberrations as gross.

The connection aspect are the strange parallels and symmetries in creatures both underground and from alien worlds, despite having no proximate connection.


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Great book, will post a review when it's open!

as often with books that take a new direction, give it a few reads before deciding on how you feel about it.

have to say, I'm an old school "I can do it myself d*m it, guy" but the flavor text is extremely well done. Kudos to the writing team!


Seventh Seal wrote:

Here's more general information on the word targe

Hope it helps.

Thanks.

Just to flag you're using a Chrome-specific feature to highlight text. It does not work anywhere else.


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Zapp wrote:
Seventh Seal wrote:

Here's more general information on the word targe

Hope it helps.

Thanks.

Just to flag you're using a Chrome-specific feature to highlight text. It does not work anywhere else.

??

What are you talking about?

I don't (& never have) used Chrome.

The text "highlighting" you see is because it's formatted as a link (as per the 'How to format your text' instructions for this forum).

Does the link not work?
??

Silver Crusade

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Works fine for me.


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Rysky wrote:
Works fine for me.

Thank you. Glad to know that the link works as intended.


Back to checking my email and paizo every hour.


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Nishah Lharast wrote:
Back to checking my email and paizo every hour.

I would wait a few hours until the Warehouse staff gets to work. :D

Horizon Hunters

Is the PDF being delayed or not?

I keep seeing it will be out by Wednesday as originally scheduled but everyone I meet says it will be delayed.

idk who to believe right now!

Very excited!

Silver Crusade

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They announced here and on socials that this was delayed until the 1st, so it's probably just a case of the webstore not getting updated.


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And there won't be a problem if they update it before the old and now incorrect street date.


Got to say, I'm not a huge fan of the release in 2e. In 1e it seemed like most of the spoilers for the new book was here, and heavily moderated. You could get a small taste to wet your whistle.

Now I look over at the Subreddit and I feel if I wanted to I could just know everything I want. Still excited for the book and trying to avoid spoilers. Just kind of sad that so much is getting leaked so early.

Silver Crusade

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I mean nothing about the releases have changed? Subscribers have almost always gotten their books before street dates, and can do what they will with spoilers. The way books are released didn't change with editions, maybe there's just more of a desire to share things than before.


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There also used to be like 2 or 3 dedicated people who would do AMAs for hours here on the product page. Now they get done on Reddit or the people doing it just don't have the time anymore. Beyond that I believe paizo has gotten alot more open with content find its way online after they officially partnered with AoN. Instead of waiting upwards of a year for the new rules to get put on the reference document we get them the week it releases for all to use.


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Cori Marie wrote:
I mean nothing about the releases have changed? Subscribers have almost always gotten their books before street dates, and can do what they will with spoilers. The way books are released didn't change with editions, maybe there's just more of a desire to share things than before.

What Cori said. In fact, I would venture to say that I don't think there is any more/less desire for folks to share things, likely that more folks have found avenues of sharing that they prefer over others.


Elorebaen wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
I mean nothing about the releases have changed? Subscribers have almost always gotten their books before street dates, and can do what they will with spoilers. The way books are released didn't change with editions, maybe there's just more of a desire to share things than before.
What Cori said. In fact, I would venture to say that I don't think there is any more/less desire for folks to share things, likely that more folks have found avenues of sharing that they prefer over others.

I distinctly remember people being more cautious about what they share. But oh well. I guess I am the old fuddy duddy in this. If people don't see anything wrong with it who am I to come in and grouch about how it feels a bit off putting to me.

You all enjoy the release of this book. It looks like people have worked real hard on it. It seems people are real happy with the content.


Still no luck with my shipping T.T There's always tomorrow.


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One thing to look for is a payment authorization in your order (online in your order history, not in an e-mail). I got one today, which means there is a very good chance that my order will ship tomorrow. It is not a guarantee though, so I am not going to get my hopes up too high -- but that authorization is a likely sign of progress.


No archmagus?

Silver Crusade

No Archmagus what?


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Rysky wrote:
No Archmagus what?

No Archmagus, SIR!

;P


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We already have Errata thread for this product!

Silver Crusade

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We do for pretty much all the books as they're released/subscribers get their early copies.


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Why is this still pending? I subscribed a week ago :'(

Silver Crusade

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Because they're still within the shipping window. They have hundreds of subscribers, so it's not an instant process.

Paizo Employee Marketing & Media Manager

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Serhak72 wrote:

Is the PDF being delayed or not?

I keep seeing it will be out by Wednesday as originally scheduled but everyone I meet says it will be delayed.

idk who to believe right now!

Very excited!

Hi. I'm back from a lovely long weekend.

We've received two clear communications internally that the August 25 Street Date, including Secrets of Magic, has rolled to September 1. (I can get the word out about via social media faster than our webstore can update pages.) The PDFs will go on sale when the print products go on sale. We apologize for any confusion.

Paizo Employee Marketing & Media Manager

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John Ryan 783 wrote:
Elorebaen wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
I mean nothing about the releases have changed? Subscribers have almost always gotten their books before street dates, and can do what they will with spoilers. The way books are released didn't change with editions, maybe there's just more of a desire to share things than before.
What Cori said. In fact, I would venture to say that I don't think there is any more/less desire for folks to share things, likely that more folks have found avenues of sharing that they prefer over others.

I distinctly remember people being more cautious about what they share. But oh well. I guess I am the old fuddy duddy in this. If people don't see anything wrong with it who am I to come in and grouch about how it feels a bit off putting to me.

You all enjoy the release of this book. It looks like people have worked real hard on it. It seems people are real happy with the content.

We would prefer it if people paraphrased rather that shared screen shots. But personally I'm more interested in shutting done whole PDF piracy, over screenshots, buzz, and hype. We have to pick our battles.

I've asked content creators to hold off on reviews until Street Date, in favor of Previews for now. But with Paizo's subscription system being what it is, it feels like I'm the Little Dutch Boy with my finder in the "barrier used to regulate or hold back water from a river, lake, or even the ocean.". The info is going to flow and flood and I don't think we need to stop it. I just put most of my energy into creating content after street date when people can "buy now."

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John Ryan 783 wrote:
Elorebaen wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
I mean nothing about the releases have changed? Subscribers have almost always gotten their books before street dates, and can do what they will with spoilers. The way books are released didn't change with editions, maybe there's just more of a desire to share things than before.
What Cori said. In fact, I would venture to say that I don't think there is any more/less desire for folks to share things, likely that more folks have found avenues of sharing that they prefer over others.

I distinctly remember people being more cautious about what they share. But oh well. I guess I am the old fuddy duddy in this. If people don't see anything wrong with it who am I to come in and grouch about how it feels a bit off putting to me.

You all enjoy the release of this book. It looks like people have worked real hard on it. It seems people are real happy with the content.

I think it's a side effect of a big influx of new blood. Old fans had their quiet reveal habits, but the new blood, probably skewing younger, is more impatient and eager to "show off" the shiny new book they bought. :P

(And I have seen maybe a bit more people asking questions to the early subbers.)


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I have never really understood the whole "spoiler" culture around RPG releases. To me, it's not like a narrative, where ruining the surprise can spoil some of the fun.

Instead, these new RPG mechanics seem more like releases of say, a new phone or (non-story heavy) video game, where the interest is in the function rather than the story.

Of course, if it hurts Paizo's sales that's a different matter.

Dark Archive

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Aaron Shanks wrote:

Hi. I'm back from a lovely long weekend.

We've received two clear communications internally that the August 25 Street Date, including Secrets of Magic, has rolled to September 1. (I can get the word out about via social media faster than our webstore can update pages.) The PDFs will go on sale when the print products go on sale. We apologize for any confusion.

This really needs to be worked on.. there is no excuse for a company with an online store to not be able to appropriately update the product information. I should not need to dig through dozens of pages of comments to find out what the REAL release date of a product is or follow your social media.

I understand it's easiest to get the news out first that way but within a matter of hours (if not minutes) at the very least the product page should reflect this information and not have a big "PDF Available Tomorrow" when it wont be. And this is a change in release date that has been known for far longer than a day or two even.

Certain static web pages may take more time and effort to update but your store should not. It should be tied into a sufficiently robust ecommerce solution to allow you to update your product catalog with relative ease and not keep your customers guessing. Not to mention I've heard from others who have your rulebook subscription they got emails (automated as they may be) as recently as yesterday telling them to expect the product to be available for them. Maybe this is due to the subscription system getting things a bit early but given how the information on these delays is not clear and readily available it's impossible to tell, and only causing more confusion.

In all it makes it look like Paizo is not concerned with keeping their customers clearly informed about their product releases and availability. Given the general useability and style of the website I suspect it is more a side effect of using outdated and difficult to maintain systems and Paizo as a company should really look at updating their site, or at least their store experience, to some more modern and easily maintained solutions.

Grand Lodge

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It's not simple, but they are working on it.

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