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Silver Crusade

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Not just clerics, but any devoted worshippers probably wears something marked in some ways. For example, I would expect most monastic temples (the martial arts kind of monastery) to trim the robes in blue, and whatever ranking system they use, say belts, would have either white fringe, or alternatively be dyed in such a way that the belt maintains a white stripe down the middle, to represent the enlightenment they strive for, the quest for perfection where even the greatest among them is still but a novice. Even the monasteries that don't follow irori still likely have it as tradition.

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Order went through a couple of days ago, and received a message that it's already been shipped at the beginning of the week, so very shortly in the week you ask for processing. Thanks for being so on top of things.

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My arguments aren't on how it's hindering fun for the others, it's pointing out where it doesn't work in the rules.

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It's not misinterpretation, it's flat out ignoring the rules.

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You can't sunder, but you can attack an object. Sunder is just about attacking attended objects in combat. You can blast at a door, no issue.

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It's wilfull avoidance of the rules. He forgets that only a normal, unmodified animal can be a familiar. Improved Familiar doesn't change that requirement, except in specific cases, so the whole thing falls apart with a basic reading of the rules.

Silver Crusade

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Ah, never read Mythic Realms. Strange, but Sarenrae has been written in contradictory ways.

Silver Crusade

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I think you're thinking of Arazni, who got brought back as a lich by Geb.

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Have to correct myself, it also happened with arazni, the herald of Aroden before Iomedae. Killed by the Whispering Tyrant. Obviously she got replaced, but no record of Aroden's reaction

Silver Crusade

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Lich Queen of the Githyanki in the 3.5 Dungeon magazine adventure, we were tasked with assassinating her. We split the party in 2 groups to case the area, myself and another character were in the throne room where she was holding court, I decided to take a shot, and unleashed a Split Ray Disintegrate spell. She passed her saving throw and took 10d6 damage. I hung my head, knowing we were about to die, then remember we were on the Astral Plane, which enhanced magic to where you could cast a quickened spell once per round, and I had a second S.R Disintegrate. This time she failed, and ended up dust. One shotted the Lich Queen.

Silver Crusade

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I can only think of one time that a herald died in Golarion lore, it was Sarenrae's herald, murdered by people who were ostensibly her followers. She smote the whole city.

The important thing to remember is that the herald will only respond to Planar Ally spells at the behest of the god, or deciding for themselves it would be appropriate. If summoned that way, I am certain the deity would be very saddened, but would likely forgive the players, as it would likely be obvious they were doing it for the right reasons.

If it were called via Planar Binding, it gets a little trickier, because that's not just calling for help, it's extraplanar slavery. The PCs would have to do some fast talking to show why what they were doing was important enough to warrant the attention of the right hand of a deity.

At either case, you have the potential for interesting plot hooks now. You're right, a simple raise dead won't work. Resurrection is iffy, too, otherwise Sarenrae's herald wouldn't have been replaced. Perhaps there is a specific quest they need to undertake, a ritual to bring back the dead herald. The deity tasks the pcs for that, since the death would be their responsibility, a life for a life and all that. Next we have obligation: the deity probably owes a favor to the one who told them about the ritual, likely Sarenrae because she had reason to research the ritual. Look into the lore, there's all the problems of the Cult of the Dawnflower and how they don't exhibit the qualities Sarenrae tries to exhibit. Perhaps it goes back to Gormuz, the high priestess of the city was a mortal daughter of Sarenrae, and survived the destruction as a lich. Mythic tiers to be able to grant spells, and suddenly you have the reason for Gormuz to happen when it's out of character for Sarenrae, and someone that can be the target of Sarenrae's favor from the other deity.

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I think of it more as the bloodline of the magic than of the character. What the magic descended from. Sort of like schools of magic, but more thematic than similar effects.

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How could a rogue kill the guard with a rock and make it look like a giant? A typical hill giant is hurling rocks two-handed, so a medium creature can't wield one.

Silver Crusade

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One act (usually) doesn't affect alignment. It definitely was an evil act, frankly I'd have the guards investigating because a human dagger will look suspiciously different from a giant boulder. Even the Int dumped guards should be able to notice something odd.

Silver Crusade

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Trying to make an order for the Going Going Gone sale, items are in my cart, but when I click place my order, it either kicks me back to View My Shopping Cart or to the paizo home page.

Silver Crusade

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Highly likely. Language is generally meant to define the world around us, and so is against the general bent of a race that quite literally wants to commit murder-suicide on a planar scale.

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How do the two interact for prerequisites? I'm looking at altering a medium fire elemental, which has 4 HD, and giving it Eldritch Heritage, which requires character level 3.

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Personally, I would fluff it as language in general is sort of anathema to daemons. Language is about creation, either actual construction or construction of concepts, and daemons want to destroy, bring the universe down to a single concept, then destroy that concept for an eternity of silence.

Silver Crusade

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I meant a homebrew feat for skinwalker turning into a wolf, using the feats for other skinwalker types.

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I was thinking standard ranger/fighter, skinwalker race with a racial feat to go full wolf, like how the bat skinwalker has a feat to go dire bat.

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It's right, BUT since harameki has no ACP, there are no penalties for not being proficient

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I've never seen it played like that. I have my folio in a binder with my character sheets from Hero Lab, and never was told I was doing it wrong

Silver Crusade

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Out of curiosity, why do you think not using Regenerate is a character development route? I understand it for many settings, but when you're high enough level that most forms of death can be reversed, suddenly deciding that just because your god is literally willing to give you a hand, you won't take it, seems more like snubbing the divine.

Silver Crusade

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Well, we have already been assuming there are significant others in the PCs lives. Obviously if you have murder-hobos rather than role-players, that advice is not valid

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Don't just kill the supporting characters, turn them into undead. Yes, their powers will be just about wiped out, but imagine how a PC would feel if they returned home and their spouse had not only been murdered, but turned into an undead the PC had to kill. That would destroy a hero. If they defeated the big bad through better prep, make them fight at a time and place of your choosing. Kidnap the children as a sacrifice, set to occur soon. They won't be able to do enough prep work, and they'll burn through significant resources, to make certain they arrive in time.

Silver Crusade

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It would be treated more as an art object than a masterwork tool.

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Claxon, as for special abilities, it's really just a way of describing feats. I gave a simple way of doing a few of the techniques. They aren't especially impressive, but considering they were mostly used on level 1-4 human warriors, I would say it's enough.

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The main thing about Hiko Seijuro is his level. If the main characters were around level 8 at the Shishio arc, he would be level 12-14, minimum. Power Attack and Furious Focus for the Dragon Hammer, I think it was, the Kuzu Ryusen would probably be Pummeling Style and Ascetic Style combined, all the attacks being added into one massive strike.

Silver Crusade

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Feeblemind doesn't prohibt you from using your feats, so shouldn't interfere with using weapons.

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I find the argument about redeeming Rovagug highly unlikely, however, let's not overlook the possibility that she left it open as a memorial. Sarenrae went through a lot there. She lost a number of followers, which probably hurt her emotionally. She also lost her Herald. In some ways, what she went through was roughly equivalent to watching her children murder her husband. This was a being who she spent millennia in the company of.

Silver Crusade

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I'm going to agree, but with the stipulation that you have to take the classes in an order that grants Graceful Warrior before Finesse Training, so that you are being trained in the use in order.

Silver Crusade

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Have they released a reference sheet for the new rules? Looking to run some playtest at a convention, and that would be beneficial for new players

Silver Crusade

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And as she wasn't involved the first time, should we assume she'd get involved this time?

Silver Crusade

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It's also worth noting, under the political theory of legitimacy, that a ruler can be legitimate in one area of the land, while illegitimate in another: case in point, Thrune is considered legitimate in most areas of Cheliax,but would be considered illegitimate in areas like Kintargo.

Silver Crusade

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And it took all of them to seal it. Not kill it, all of them could barely seal Rovagug. And that was before we had some start dying.

Silver Crusade

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We're running into the problem of free will, now:. She sent multiple omens and warnings, and the worshippers chose to ignore it. And I don't know that the wrath had that kind of consequences. The spawn came to the surface, and people bloody well stayed away from what she told them to stay away from. Again, you can't judge this as simply what Sarenrae can or can't do, because she is one of MANY deities in Golarion, and when she acts, another deity is able to act, and the evil deities vastly outnumber the good ones.

Silver Crusade

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She told them to avoid the area. They didn't. She sent her herald. They murdered it. Then she smote them. She didn't smite them for living around the area, she smote the area because they murdered her herald, her proxy. It was tantamount to a direct attack on the goddess, definitely a harsh insult to her at minimum. Why do you think Sarenrae is a fool for responding to an attack on her station as a deity, while Desna gets a pass when she unleashed a demon Lord?

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Actually was just reading Order of the Stick, which was incredibly relevant. Sarenrae told her followers to stay clear of the Gormuz area. instead they flocked to it, she sent her herald to get them to leave. They killed him. She smote Gormuz. 6 terrible spawn of the worst deity around start climbing out of the pit she made. Every decision she made turned out poorly, in this instance. Looking at it that way, her backing off to see what happens is actually one of the best choices she could make. Every time she interfered, it seems Rovagug was able to make a countermove. She lost her herald, and he was able to unleash 6 creatures that are stronger than most divine heralds. Had she tried closing the Pit, I'm not certain it would be Sarenrae that came out of the pit.

Silver Crusade

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Legal fees, certainly. I'm talking more a generic tax by the Asmodean church, a tithe. Then it gets closer to supporting an evil religion. Equivalent exchange, money given for casting service, or legal fees, etc. I don't consider taxes.

Silver Crusade

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I would say no, because the paladin owes no oath of fealty to said king. I look at it as they abide by the laws set up, as long as said law doesn't conflict with their code. If Cheliax set up a law that all mortals capable of channeling the divine must register themselves with the government, they would. If it became law to sacrifice doves to Asmodeus, probably wouldn't. A tax paid to the church of Asmodeus, that's where it's really getting tricky.

Silver Crusade

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Paladins do, however, support Cheliax. They are members of the Hellknights, after all.

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Be merciful to yourself, put a 7 in Con, and play a melee focused Transmutation specializing elven wizard. Die quickly, and hope for better rolls on the new character.

Silver Crusade

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You might need to check a few facts yourself: it states that MOST of the Spawn arise from the Pit of Gormuz. If MOST do, some arise elsewhere. Keep in mind, also, that a grand total of official spawn of Rovagug is 6, from approximately -3470 to 4718. 6 monsters in over 8000 years. You can grow a Great Wyrm in that time period, and the Great Wyrm is actually stronger. Additionally, at least one of whom is dead, another is likely dead, and another is sealed. Leaving 3 to threaten the infinite planes. Given infinite planes, it's actually more likely to shift the Spawn off to the abyss than to an alternative prime material.

Silver Crusade

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I never played anything beyond the original Smash Bros. I was thinking it would be something like the Final Fantasy dissidia game, storyline where the enemies just happen to be recognizable from the games. In this case, why were you summoned, explore the new world, things like that.

Silver Crusade

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Don't make it just the iconics. Instead of endless fights against a certain plumber, include the Goombas and the Koopas. The force that corrupted the heroes reached into the world they came from and conjured other entities from the games.

Silver Crusade

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If it's a choice between a world being destroyed,or the entire multiverse ceasing to be, hard decisions must be made. Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean it isn't Good.

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Unless you stop to consider that, maybe, leaving the pit open is a bit like lancing a boil. Either you can leave it closed, wherein it will eventually pop with messy results, or you can lance it to relieve the pressure. Anyway, by gathering around Gormuz, they were feeding power to Rovagug. By turning Gormuz into, essentially, Godzilla's Tokyo, you're reducing the number of people likely to gather there, either by having the sense to get out of there, or by being a casualty of a Spawn's stroll.

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What feats do you have?

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From what I heard, as long as people keep buying them, they'll keep the pocket editions in print. That, combined with them keeping the PDFs available, will help those of us who are not going to just drop First Edition. I fully intend to play both.

Silver Crusade

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Why do you think it wouldn't? It spells out in swarm rules that DR,among other things, grants limited immunity to swarms. And the damage is treated like everything biting at once, not an accumulation of bites over the turn.

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