Double-posting to acknowledge an earlier error.
In my previous post, I suggested that Vudra was a bit on the small side? Well, see the other comment I made about "still trying to wrap my brain around Golarion geography" because I got that one totally wrong. Vudra is apparently approximate the size of Avistan.
Now, it still needs a good Aberrant rulebook to support it, but that's the sort of thing that could pretty easily happen in the same block, especially if accompanied by a Vudra-locale AP that went heavy on the aberrants. I still think they might want to nail down Casmaron a bit netter before they jump in on Vudra, but I'll admit that at the scale we're talking about here, that's less important than I was thinking it was. So... Vudra is also a distinct possibility for 2025.
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Why would Arcadia require a nautical book? Most of the folks on that continent are from there, with foreign colonists very rare.
We've also got several aquatic Ancestries in PF2 now (Azarketi, the coming Athamarus and Merfolk), which I think would've gone into an undersea book if one was planned.
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Clearly if Casmoran is still too nebulous we can settle for separate kelesh and vudra books.
... I just really want Vudra content.
Why would Arcadia require a nautical book? Most of the folks on that continent are from there, with foreign colonists very rare.
We've also got several aquatic Ancestries in PF2 now (Azarketi, the coming Athamarus and Merfolk), which I think would've gone into an undersea book if one was planned.
Basically every way of connecting existing content to Arcadia talks about the long, dangerous overseas voyages necessary to get there... and the fact that we've been racking up undersea ancestries (and the existence of the Firebrands book) is one of the reasons that I'm expecting we'll see an oceanic adventures book of some sort soonish. It's kind of like how including centaurs and minotaurs makes Iblydos more likely rather than less.
Honestly, on Arcadia it's more of a gut reaction thing. I feel like it really wants a few more bricks... and I feel like "aquatic adventures" is a reasonable brick to support it. Possibly at one remove? Like, aquatic adventures opens up a Lost Omens book that can have a few more Arcadia references in it. Hey - the word "guessing" is in the title for a reason.
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Basically every way of connecting existing content to Arcadia talks about the long, dangerous overseas voyages necessary to get there... and the fact that we've been racking up undersea ancestries (and the existence of the Firebrands book) is one of the reasons that I'm expecting we'll see an oceanic adventures book of some sort soonish. It's kind of like how including centaurs and minotaurs makes Iblydos more likely rather than less.
Another potential brick, but they are actively working on a ship combat subsystem for Starfinder 2e. Given the turbulent reception all iterations of those systems have been received so far, I would expect they will be putting a LOT of effort into making it as interesting as possible.
Given the similar mechanical underpinnings of both games, they can probably expend a little more effort after that is finished to file the serial numbers off for use in Pathfinder. Might even be something to the idea of running overlapping playtests for both game versions, to get complimentary feedback from different slightly player bases and system assumptions.
I mean, there was a Society special about jumping between the two fairly recently, so it's not completely off the table officially...That's the thing I'm most excited about with the two systems being compatible. I'd love to craft a time hopping Chrono Trigger style campaign, hopping between times and picking up party members as we go. I doubt we'll ever see official support for it, but I can dream...
Maybe they're talking about Starfinder 2e being compatible and ORC? What with the word "Gap"
It will be nice for tech fabs, we're already planning on introducibg a lot of it to our PF game as JRPG style magitech.
A link to the source pls?
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Fate in the Future and Perils of the Past are complimentary specials.
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Given the similar mechanical underpinnings of both games, they can probably expend a little more effort after that is finished to file the serial numbers off for use in Pathfinder. Might even be something to the idea of running overlapping playtests for both game versions, to get complimentary feedback from different slightly player bases and system assumptions.
To expand on this guess, I don't expect to see a Pathfinder class playtest at all for the 2024 - 2025 season. I would assume any extra resources that would go to that will be used up by the Starfinder playtest. I think we might see something like a ship combat system or a similar, serial number filed off subsystem playtest, so that the Pathfinder team can do some of the lifting without losing ground on their own design targets.
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Luis Loza has previously said that ship rules might take the place of a year's class playtest, if such a thing existed.
I think there will be some book with ninja and samurai added. Maybe not as a class but as a archtype?
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If those aren’t in the upcoming Tian Xia books, I wouldn’t expect them at all.
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If those aren’t in the upcoming Tian Xia books, I wouldn’t expect them at all.
Indeed. If the mechanisms are not there, it likely means Paizo feels the current rules adequately cover them.
Of course, samurai and ninja were already in the setting in PF1, so they will still be there in PF2. Just maybe not with specific rules.
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While I don’t know that this is something we have been building towards, it occurs to me that with the development of Starfinder 2E, a Dark Tapestry and Dominion of the Black book for Pathfinder would be a great way to add some synergy between the two settings. The Dark Tapestry section would have all the cosmic horror/cthulhu mythos goodies. While the Dominion of the Black section would have alien space terror goodies. As a Pathfinder book it would be more closely themed towards the fantasy side of cosmic entities and alien visitations in the dark of night. But the book could point to Starfinder for those looking for stronger Science Fiction elements.
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I could see this pointing to some kind of naval book in a weird way. Testing something like a sailing subsystem that could be rejiggered to work with spaceships. Some things are likely to be the same, since elevation isn't something really represented on the kinds of maps that folks play on.Given the similar mechanical underpinnings of both games, they can probably expend a little more effort after that is finished to file the serial numbers off for use in Pathfinder. Might even be something to the idea of running overlapping playtests for both game versions, to get complimentary feedback from different slightly player bases and system assumptions.To expand on this guess, I don't expect to see a Pathfinder class playtest at all for the 2024 - 2025 season. I would assume any extra resources that would go to that will be used up by the Starfinder playtest. I think we might see something like a ship combat system or a similar, serial number filed off subsystem playtest, so that the Pathfinder team can do some of the lifting without losing ground on their own design targets.
I'm down for a nautical ship / air ship playtest that sets up a high seas rule book for island hopping campaigns. Getting a book to set up a One Piece campaign AND slyly help playtest SF2e star ship roles at the same time would be a great use of a playtest
I have no interest in nautical ship-to-ship combat as a subsystem. But I do have to acknowledge that I am also at a loss in how to run such a battle *without* a subsystem. Ultimately I would rather see a "new classes" playtest rather than "ship combat playtest" as the former is way more applicable to most campaigns (as long as we don't see a return of the dreaded "Rare" tag) whereas the latter is fairly...water/ocean/river dependant. Ok ok, sandships are cool. Aaaand airships. But still...
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Saga Lands
Irrisen, Lands of the Linnorm Kings, New Thassilon, Realm of the Mammoth Lords, Varisia
1. In 2E Shoanti Totemism changed to being called Shoanti Animism.
2. Animist is a soon to be released class.
3. The Path of Aganhei is a direct route between the Saga Land and Tian Xia.
4. The Saga Lands have a minority population of Tians. Having the Tian peoples better described allows the minority populations in the Saga Lands to have appropriate background information.
5. Quest of the Frozen Flame Adventure Path fills in information on the Realm of the Mammoth Lords
6. Seven Dooms for Sandpoint Adventure Path fills in current information for Sandpoint.
7. Mythic rules help to ensure accuracy for the mythic personalities in the region, such as Runelords and Baba Yaga.
8. Stasian Technology, Winter Touched Human Heritage, Viking Archetype, and the Linnorm dragons help prepare us for Irrisen and Lands of the Linnorm Kings.
9. The Stolen Fate Adventure Path and the Harrow Deck help prepare us for Varisia the nation and Varisians the people.
10. Many of the Fey elements are already available. And Howl of the Wild fills in the missing pieces for the Land of the Linnorm King’s Beastkin and Werecreature traditions.
11. The adventure Rusthenge gives us a 1st level adventure in the Sagalands that can serve as an introduction to the area.
12. The Saga Lands make for a great jumping off point into Arcadia since the two have direct ties.
I do hope we get a Character Guide though. I would have loved to have had a Character Guide of the Mwangi Expanse and the Impossible Lands.
On a different note, the recently announced adventure Prey for Death serves double duty as a building block. On one hand it helps fill in information of the Red Mantis Assassins and by extension Mediogalti Island, which helps prepare us for a High Seas book. And on the other hand, information on the Red Mantis Assassins helps build towards an intrigue/spies/espionage book. Which, I would guess we need an intrigue/spies/espionage book before going to the Shining Kingdoms, the Golden Road, and a big chunk of Casmaron.
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The playtest for Battlecry! mentions war between Golarion nations, something likely with the god of war's imminent demise and previously confirmed by developer comments anyway. Where do we think things are blowing up?
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Rahadoum. Geb and Nex. Irrisen and the Linnorm Kings. Places in Tian Xia. Taldor making a grab for Galt and being stymied by several other countries. Sarkoris.
Civil war in several dwarven kingdoms could be a thing too.
Basically take all the hopes of peace and better future from the Lost Omens books, especially Legends, and send them crashing hard.
There's two different questions there: which places in-'verse are likely to blow up, and which places Paizo thinks there'd be the most fun from them blowing up. And the intersection between those two questions is where it's MOST LIKELY to happen (but not guaranteed).
I imagine Andoran will be an instigator/in the middle of things somewhere. I could also see someone trying to take a bite out of Druma for the sheer amount of wealth they've gathered.
I don't think Cheliax will be getting up to too much, though I wouldn't be surprised if they showed up somewhere. Hell's Rebels/Vengeance weren't huge conflicts, but both caused some damage to the empire.
I wonder if we'll start seeing some more sustained activity up and around the Gravelands.
I could see Cheliax staying out of things initially... but they've got a lot of old grievances. I don't think they could resist the urge to take a bite out of one of their old holdings, if that old holding had been weakened by fighting elsewhere.
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The brewing war between Andoran and Cheliax has been mentioned in a dozen places since 2e started. This has gotta be the time that finally comes to fruition, right?
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I imagine Andoran will be an instigator/in the middle of things somewhere. I could also see someone trying to take a bite out of Druma for the sheer amount of wealth they've gathered.
I don't think Cheliax will be getting up to too much, though I wouldn't be surprised if they showed up somewhere. Hell's Rebels/Vengeance weren't huge conflicts, but both caused some damage to the empire.
I don't see Cheliax striking first, necessarily, but they would unquestionably strike back once attacked, and if Andoran is being set up as an instigator, then Cheliax has to be pretty high up their list of targets for instigation.
And that's assuming the death of Gorum and the broader "War of Immortals" doesn't shake up the status quo in some major way, which is a dubious assumption at best.
...and thinking about it, the War of the Immortals almost has to involve Asmodeus in some form (given that he's literally the leader of one of the two largest sides) and if it's being reflected in the mortal realm in any way (which it pretty clearly is) then that pretty much drags Cheliax in directly.
Similarly, if Zon-Kuthon is in the fight, then Nidal is in the fight. If Torag is squaring off, then the dwarves as a people pretty much have to be doing something. If Urgathoa gets pulled in... well, Geb is pretty much in that way by default, somehow. She's got too many fanatical followers in that place for them to stay on the sidelines for all that long when she's in the scrum. Then, too, given that Arazni's rising up... well, I'm thinking that Geb's in the game one way or the other, and that's even before you start talking about Nex.
If anything, I feel like we might be seeing Geb get pulled into the fight in some other way, and then Nex taking the opportunity provided.
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I admit, the Andoran/Cheliax conflict doesn't do a ton for me, but the thought of finally paying off Nex's return and a resumption of hostilities with Geb has me drooling.
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They’ve been drumming up the Andoran/Cheliax conflict for so long I can’t imagine it doesn’t kick off following the Godrain.
There’s a new resource to be claimed, and if a shard hit near the border I imagine that could ignite the conflict *real quick*
This may be a bit odd, but if we get an Inner Sea war, my money is on the Broken Lands. Brevoy has been on the edge of a civil war for a while. Mendev and the Sarkoris Scar are still dealing with remnants of the forces from World Wound invasion, not to mention the death of impending eidolon deity. Razmiran and any number River Kingdoms always have an eye out to expand territory. That leaves Numeria, which doesn't seem to be very war focused, except there has been simmering conflict between those who reject tech and want it eradicated and those who embrace it. If the temperature was turned up on that conflict that could easily grow into a civil war.
Also, just putting out there, Razmir is going to definitely want to get his hands on the sweet, sweet, deity making, god stuff.
Also, just putting out there, Razmir is going to definitely want to get his hands on the sweet, sweet, deity making, god stuff.
You know? That's fair. We don't really know what Razmir is going to do in response to this whole thing, but it isn't going to be "nothing".
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Also, just putting out there, Razmir is going to definitely want to get his hands on the sweet, sweet, deity making, god stuff.You know? That's fair. We don't really know what Razmir is going to do in response to this whole thing, but it isn't going to be "nothing".
Razmir: Hears loud sound of rain and battle from outside while brushing teeth.
Razmir: Refuses the indignity of being rushed and takes his time to don his robes and mask.
Still Razmir: Walks outside to see a group of newly formed exemplars reveling in their divine power. "Hey guys, what was that sound earlier? Are those rain puddles red?"
Also, just putting out there, Razmir is going to definitely want to get his hands on the sweet, sweet, deity making, god stuff.You know? That's fair. We don't really know what Razmir is going to do in response to this whole thing, but it isn't going to be "nothing".Razmir: Hears loud sound of rain and battle from outside while brushing teeth.
Razmir: Refuses the indignity of being rushed and takes his time to don his robes and mask.
Still Razmir: Walks outside to see a group of newly formed exemplars reveling in their divine power. "Hey guys, what was that sound earlier? Are those rain puddles red?"
Now, I know you didn't just say that Razmir will be sending out his agents to kidnap exemplars so that he can run experiments on them to extract their God stuff and transfer it into him. But, it does kind of sound like that's what you said...
I read it more akin to Razmir taking an extraplanar spa day and, by sheer bad luck, not only missing the Godsrain itself, but missing out on his chance to grab a chunk of godflesh while one might have been easily accessible.
Sorry, yes this how I read it as well, but then my mind jumped to what happens next when Razmir learns he missed out. I could have made that clearer.
As an alternate silly idea... perhaps Razmir gets crushed by a falling chunk of godstuff and dies on the spot... but the only direct witnesses are three or four people who were already right up at the top of the hierarchy of the church, and they all get exposed and receive divine powers of their own.
Thinking about it... one of the interesting things that's going to happen is that all of these groups are going to have to come up with official responses to the Exemplar Question. Like, it's not anything like as big a deal as it would be in our world, given that the world is pretty used to the idea of people who are effectively PC classes of levels 1-20, but there are still going to be dogmatic interpretations going around. Like... we'll almost certainly see some of the stuff falling in Rahadoum. How do they react to that?
Sorry, yes this how I read it as well, but then my mind jumped to what happens next when Razmir learns he missed out. I could have made that clearer.
Personally, I also assumed that Razmir would immediately go for the jumbo-sized juicer.
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Oh man, now I want to do a Razmir story where the original Razmir is gone, but there's 4 people who have been posing on him all of whom get their hands on godstuff- "Reign of the Razmirs"
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Oh man, now I want to do a Razmir story where the original Razmir is gone, but there's 4 people who have been posing on him all of whom get their hands on godstuff- "Reign of the Razmirs"
Yep Go straight from "Razmir, pretending to be a god" to "gods, pretending to be Razmir". It would be great.
Problem is that if they ever do do this adventure, my suggestion becomes a massive spoiler.
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Isn't he supposed to have divine stats in an upcoming book? It could be that he succeeds.
They didn't mention "divine stats". They said he would be mentionned in the book. Considering it's more than twice the size of Gods & Magic, that probably gave them more space to talk about non-deities that are close (or pretend to be) real deities. Like I wouldn't be that suprised if we saw mention of Baba Yaga (That the only reason she's not a deity right now is that she feels like it would DEPOWER her because it would means she can't affect the Universe anymore... :P )
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Isn't he supposed to have divine stats in an upcoming book? It could be that he succeeds.They didn't mention "divine stats". They said he would be mentionned in the book. Considering it's more than twice the size of Gods & Magic, that probably gave them more space to talk about non-deities that are close (or pretend to be) real deities. Like I wouldn't be that suprised if we saw mention of Baba Yaga (That the only reason she's not a deity right now is that she feels like it would DEPOWER her because it would means she can't affect the Universe anymore... :P )
IIRC the main reason Baba Yaga does not want godhood is because then she would hear all the prayers of her worshippers and she absolutely loathes having people ask her to do something for them.