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Some folks are way too hung up on the word "arcade".

You can play as genuine robots that can transform like Autobots or Bastion from Overwatch, and yet, a table with dials and stick controls being called a step too far feels off to me.


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Is there no greater undoing, than a mage's hubris?


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Watch we’re getting Norgorbered cause he’s the one that dies.


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Arcade games and k-pop bands, not something I expected to see in Golarion, but boy do I love it.


Arshea is a Demigod?

*Huh* I thought they were a full blown divinity.


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Just saw the trailer that popped up on YouTube and that was not the narrator I expected!


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I don’t know what this Predator is meant to be but my mind immediately goes to Lovecraftian.


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Zamendi is from Droon.

Will we finally get a look at Droon??

*WILL WE?!*

This better not be another taunt!

Very excited for this book regardless.


This week we're getting one of this set according to a Twitter Hint:

Abadar, Erastil, Irori, Lamashtu, Norgorber, Rovagug, Zon-Kuthon.


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Kittyburger wrote:
Mr. Phillips, GM of Intrigue wrote:
Personally, I'd love to see Iomedae die. It would be fun to see the chaos that would happen across the world as her clerics and paladins lose their holy power! Could make for some interesting adventures for Pathfinder Society!
It would make the edgelords happy. And basically nobody else.

Her dying feels cheap to me.

Like approximately just another Aroden.

And it would set a precedent that Starstone Gods are prone to dying.

I want it to be part of the wider Core 20.

Just not any of the throuple.


E Rank Luck wrote:
...also its gonna be Iomedae isnt it. Dammit.

I really hope not, that feels far too on the noise.


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Not the cabbages!

Somewhere a man weeps in fear and confusion.


Kittyburger wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:
The possibility of a brew that makes you a deity is a scary thought, but also could possibly feed into a least a facet of the War to come if knowledge of it gets out, and the one vision from the end of the Stolen Fate AP.
And yet it's not without mythological precedent - the Gods of the Aesir were immortal because they ate Idunn's apples, not because they were intrinsically immortal.

I'm mainly stuck on the facet taken from Stolen Fate,

Stolen Fate Spoilers:
Ultimate power within the grasp of almost countless hands.

The possibility of a brew that makes you a deity is a scary thought, but also could possibly feed into a least a facet of the War to come if knowledge of it gets out, and the one vision from the end of the Stolen Fate AP.


I don’t know it being Iomedae feels cheap honestly.

Like “Oh another of the formally mortal Starstone gods died.”

It doesn’t really capture my attention/imagination as much as an older God with a wider context behind them dying.

I also don’t really agree with the Torag thing, since he up and vanished in Starfinder and they refocused on other members of his pantheon.


NECR0G1ANT wrote:
Re: Stolen Fate: what was the deal with one recurring villain? ** spoiler omitted **

Only in the end vision of events to come.

The story is focused on two enemy factions with one in the background and the other front and center as they and the party scramble to claim the Tarot Deck.


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And in the end Ihys somehow made me trust them less than the devil himself with the final lines of his prophecy good lord.


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VerBeeker wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
It feels as if someone was trying to put prophecy back in place. I wonder if the Stolen Fate AP shed some light on this.
Try is the operative word; they kinda fail spectacularly, even *if* they manage to beat the PCS.

Most interesting. Can you PM me what would happen ?

I am very interested in any tidbit to better understand how the whole fate/prophecy thing works.

Never PMed here before, not exactly sure how it’s done so I’ll just spoiler tag it.

** spoiler omitted **

Stolen Fate:
Or more accurately it’s what the villains hope would happen, but as the Concluding the Campaign says it is not possible for any mortal to truly reset the broken paths of fate for Golarion, but it allows them to see future events, not shape them or shift them but see them coming, and many have indeed come to pass in following APs

I went back and read the book :p


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The Raven Black wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
It feels as if someone was trying to put prophecy back in place. I wonder if the Stolen Fate AP shed some light on this.
Try is the operative word; they kinda fail spectacularly, even *if* they manage to beat the PCS.

Most interesting. Can you PM me what would happen ?

I am very interested in any tidbit to better understand how the whole fate/prophecy thing works.

Never PMed here before, not exactly sure how it’s done so I’ll just spoiler tag it.

Stolen Fate Spoilers:
Right, so the true villains of the AP created a harrow deck to try and rest back true control over fate and a plotted destiny being devastated by the limits now set because of the death of Aroden. They succeeded in making the deck, but here’s the problem, even this artifact can’t undo what has been done, BUT in their hands it can strip away free will from all living things forcing them to live basically one note stories.


The Raven Black wrote:
It feels as if someone was trying to put prophecy back in place. I wonder if the Stolen Fate AP shed some light on this.

Try is the operative word; they kinda fail spectacularly, even *if* they manage to beat the PCS.


Calliope5431 wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
It feels as if someone was trying to put prophecy back in place. I wonder if the Stolen Fate AP shed some light on this.

** spoiler omitted **

But honestly I'm kinda sad if that's the case. Because, well, it's supposedly a big part of the setting that there's no prophecy. That's one of the ways it was supposed to be different from other settings. I recall James saying that prophecy made things kind of boring and cliche, actually.

Also if that were true, they'd have to change the name from the "age of lost omens" to the "age of omens that someone just found rooting around under the couch cushions".

I mean, it doesn't reestablish prophecy having read it; it just briefly gives a glimpse of oncoming threats, and in no way gives any form of solutions for them.

What becomes of Fate, lies firmly in the hands of the players, if they succeed, and even then it is made clear throughout the adventure that what the villains desire is not truly possible and the outcome will be less than great for anyone.


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Ah, Minkai, this takes me back, I am very curious to see how things have developed since the Fall of the Jade Regent.

Honestly a whole Minkai book would be a pretty immediate purchase for me, though both Tian Xia books already are


Huh, I was not expecting three entirely new ancestries, I was expecting like the Impossible Kingdom Book.

Did they explain anything about the Wayang?


Oh you teases.


MadScientistWorking wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:

My Perceptions:

1. War between Andoran and Cheliax, as that has been gearing up in the background of the Lost Omens books for a while.

2. Was Sky King's Tomb

3. Maybe Seven Dooms, Maybe something else.

4. Possibly hinting at the death of Sarenrae, or this could be a call back to Doomsday Dawn because wasn't the plot there about the Dominion of the Black trying to consume the sun or some such??

5. Curtain Call

6. Season of Ghosts

7. The War of Immortals Event

8. Wardens of Wildwood

9. This one I am not honestly sure about.

10. Seven Dooms maybe

11. I think this is tied to the Starstone, due to other information regarding the Ashen Man, AND other info from the Absalom book

12. Unsure, but I am down for anything that reshapes the face of Golarion once again, but I would hope most for Sakoris/Azlanti stuff.

13. More Runelords Shenanigans, brought to you by Xhanderghul!

A sun already died it's a burning sun orc.

Oh???


CorvusMask wrote:
Doomsday Dawn was about Aucturn

Yes but the Dominion was involved, and wasn't the overarching plot something to do with the sun??


My Perceptions:

1. War between Andoran and Cheliax, as that has been gearing up in the background of the Lost Omens books for a while.

2. Was Sky King's Tomb

3. Maybe Seven Dooms, Maybe something else.

4. Possibly hinting at the death of Sarenrae, or this could be a call back to Doomsday Dawn because wasn't the plot there about the Dominion of the Black trying to consume the sun or some such??

5. Curtain Call

6. Season of Ghosts

7. The War of Immortals Event

8. Wardens of Wildwood

9. This one I am not honestly sure about.

10. Seven Dooms maybe

11. I think this is tied to the Starstone, due to other information regarding the Ashen Man, AND other info from the Absalom book

12. Unsure, but I am down for anything that reshapes the face of Golarion once again, but I would hope most for Sakoris/Azlanti stuff.

13. More Runelords Shenanigans, brought to you by Xhanderghul!


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God the imagery of calling someone an imposter and the person just...erupts but the thing within just keeps expanding and unraveling.

Horrifying.


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*Looks at the Ashen Man lore and over at another section of the Absalom book and then a part of the vision from the end of Stolen Fate*

“Ultimate power within the grasp of almost countless hands.”

There is a war coming to the realm of the Gods, New Gods will rise, and more importantly there is a damn black site prison in Absalom containing individuals the city leadership actually believed had a good chance of ascending.

Things are falling together into an interesting way.


Gods I wish I had my hands on this book already.

The Character Guide too.


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moosher12 wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
moosher12 wrote:


It is regrettable that you were not made aware of the option and that it ruined your impression on PF1E though. Your GM should have put in more effort to find that the entry existed assuming you had brought it up at your table.

You're missing the point. let me take another whack at it.

The problem is not in the advertising or presentation.

The problem is that if an ability is so weak it does nothing that, to me, is the same as it not being there.

While Both ysoki (Starfinders lovable space rats) and ratfolk (pathfinder 2's warren dwelling sewer rats) technically HAVE an ability called cheekpouches, the version that ysoki have (a swift action to store or take out at level 1) actually changes the action economy on some things. IE spell gems. or stolen objects or picked up macguffins.

The pathfinder 2 version requires 3 feats and being level 9 before it really becomes usable.IE, before it really has mechanical effects. Which to me is the same thing as being Real (in an imaginary game...) before then it's like people are saying, a human in a costume. If something functions no differently than a fanny pack, then the cheek pouch is visually there in a game you don't see and its written on your character sheet in a space that it's not used.

And you can say - its like that because- or - it has to be that way- ...and NONE , nadda, of that changes the fact that I don't prefer the game that way. In some ways pf2 has a lot of things that are like all of starship combat, I'm annoyed because it tried to trick me with the illusion of choice but didn't deliver.

As a brief lore lesson: Pathfinder ratfolk are also called Ysoki. It even states this in the Advanced Player's Guide. Ysoki is the ancestry name, and ratfolk is a colloquialism. (I question if you've done anything more than light skimming at best in regards to what you are complaining about, because this is literally stated in the first sentence of the ancestry)....

Loving the cartoonish visual image of a Ysoki pulling a rifle out of it's mouth.

That's some Hammerspace s$#+tery.


My brain has been trying to puzzle our where Vesk would fit best in Golarion since this came out, and I have decided either, just the blanket alien land of Numeria, a random portal to Droon, or as mercs working for Cheliax after a crash.


Are Vesk playable in Pathfinder?

I remember hearing about “cross-compatibility”


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Popping into this thread to mention that Highhelm hints that Andoran is seeking weaponry, specifically siege weaponry for an unspecified purpose.

That on top of numerous other hints across the Lost Omens books genuinely makes me believe the two great powers are Cheliax and Andoran.

There is also developments hinting towards an upcoming combat with Treerazer in there as folks have noted though I had thought the briars referred to the Warden of the Wilds AP.

Also pretty sure #6 was meant to reference Season of Ghosts.

11. Meanwhile has my mind going to one thing first and foremost: The Starstone. We know now there is going to be War Amongst the Gods, one or more are dying/getting uspered, but what if something occurs in this divine upheaval, that allows the Cathedral to be *much* more accessible. Plus there is a plot point from the Absalom guide that has had me chomping at the bit for some time.


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Finally finished reading Highhelm, was an enjoyable read, but I got really curious about one bit of background lore: "Dwarves of Tian Xia", I don't remember from the 1E books there being many if any, Dwarves over there, so now I am *really* curious to see if the pop up in either of the upcoming Tian Xia books.


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Conrasu outside of the Expanse and Ghorus lore, interesting interesting.

I wonder if this AP is one of the events hinted at, at the end of Stolen Fate.


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Staring at THAT part of Continuing Campaign Entry

Well I feel like I know where SOME of that is going.


keftiu wrote:
Really giddy to have playable Centaurs and Minotaurs both! I hope we get some good peeks into their various cultures across Golarion, with particular eyes on Iblydos.

That is their origin place I believe, that or somewhere else in Casmaron so it would be cool to get a look at any origin myths.


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So the Thrunes have a Dinosaur....a Fiendish Dinosaur.

*Joyous!*/s


The Barathu being Core is quite interesting to me, especially in the context of Starfinder being cross-compatible with Pathfinder, cause where could I put them in Golarion... Hmm, Hmm, Hmm...

Shirren too, now that I think about it, when it comes to them possibly being on Golarion.


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keftiu wrote:
There was talk of potentially doing Travel Guides for other continents if the first one sold well, and it gets exponentially easier for the team to do further Tian APs with the setting actually written - I’d expect both of those before something like a “Lost Omens: Minkai” deep dive.

I'd buy the f~%! out of that book though


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*Reads the forward material*

Well….HUH.

Now that is an interesting twist for this little tale.


So, will we be able to take classes from Pathfinder and vice versa and be able to slot them into each game with little issue or no? Just curious.


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keftiu wrote:
The Starfinder side of things has never done much for me, but the Field Test's compatibility has gotten me to peek over the line... and I really like what I see! The Soldier feels like what I'd wanted the Gunslinger to be, while having an identity distinct from both that and the Fighter that I really enjoy. Folks often underestimate the challenge of making a mechanically-straightforward martial interesting, but I think they've done exactly that!

Alkenstar and Numeria are calling to you.


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Evan Tarlton wrote:
Wintergreen wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Evan Tarlton wrote:
Super excited for all of this! Also very intrigued by Zon-Shelyn, especially in the context of what we learned in the Pathfinder side of things.

I'm almost afraid to ask; what did we learn on the Pathfinder side of things, exactly?

I was wondering the same thing.
There's going to be a Drift Crisis syle event involving a divine war. One of the Core 20 is going to die.

WHAT?!

Excuse you?! The hell you mean?!

Where was this?!


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So are the Pahtra being added are they replacing an Ancestry?

Love the art.

What the hell do you mean Zon-Shelyn?!

"Super excited for all of this! Also very intrigued by Zon-Shelyn, especially in the context of what we learned in the Pathfinder side of things."

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!


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Looking at the Players Guide has only increased my desire to crack open Highhelm and start reading, but my back-log is already FULL.


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belgrath9344 wrote:
do we get do we a statock for the cool as hell Giant earth t rex on the cover?

As that is one of the Elemental Lords, and they don't stat "deities" anymore, I do not believe so.


Does anyone else think the Outpost Zed population is exceedingly high??

Over 400k people living in a place only about a kilometer in diameter feels quite off.

I always imagined it having a smaller population due to the art from the Against the Aeon Thrones


So Centaur, Minotaurs and Merfolk are "returning" Ancestries. Curious to see what different cultures we might see hinted at in the Sideblurbs.

Outside of the obvious like, Absalom and Iblydos for the former two, Iobarian for Centaur, and the Inner Sea and Fever Sea groups for Merfolk.

New Ancestries:

Athamaru, Fishfolk that largely reside in Xidao, so will likely make an appearance of some kind first in the Tian Xia book.

Awakened Animals are becoming playable and that has me the most curious as to what that is going to end up being like overall. Because the Badger that is the "iconic" for them has a much more humanoid visage than I assume something like a Horse or the like could take.

And then finally, Surki, Insect People, kinda resemble Mole Crickets or Cicadas. Live underground and only rarely come to the surface in a mass exodus. Recent emergence was caused by the sealing of the Worldwound.

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