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Going back to ideas and themes from Ghostwalk I would like to see archetypes that can turn any class into a ghost/spirit class. And I would like a new class that plays up the ideas of a spirit interacting with material world.
So exactly the same out come as Possible Cabbage's logic? No, not the same logic. Possible Cabbage is saying trees come in female/male/hermaphroditic sexes, and therefore it would not be surprising for dryads to appear as all three sexes. Roswynn is saying dryads are not trees or even plants, but instead are magical fairy spirits and therefore are not limited to tree sexes. Dryads should reflect humanoid sexes and humanoid genders, and not be limited to tree sexes. The end result may look similar on the surface but the background logic for the move away from all female dryads and similar monsters is very different.
A lore book on the Undead would be nice as well. I wouldn't mind seeing something that dives into the genesis of Undead and breaks them into broad categories. These categories wouldn't have much impact as far as rules go but they would give some thought into the why and how Undead are formed. Potential categories include: Corpse Dead - Undead that have a genesis focused on animating the body or parts of the body with negative energy.
Each chapter could have a bestiary of Undead creatures that arise based on each type of genesis.
I thought about this a little more and I would separate this into two books. In the RPG Line I would have a book with Dragon based Ancestries, Class Features, Archetypes, Prestige Class and Equipment. In the Campaign Setting Line I would have a book with Dragon based Lore and Bestiary. The Campaign Setting book would have a chapter for many of the big Dragon groups. I could see it breaking down something like this: Chapter Page (Chromatic Dragons)
So in the end the Chromatic Dragons would get approximately 25 pages. For Dragons that are not in a group chapter I would have a Bestiary with approximately 2 pages per dragon, a primarily stats page and a primarily lore page.
I would like to see specialty monster books. Something that takes a deep dive into a single monster type or a couple of monster types. On the top of the list would be the Dragon book. This book would contain things like: Draconic Ancestries
I want card decks! Weapon/Armor Card Decks with the Weapon/Armor rules on the card.
Additional Rules Decks similar to Condition Cards where they take commonly used rules and put them on cards that are easily issued to the players so they have a physical reminder of what is going on at any given time with there character.
Question about the world map, and this going to be oddly technical. Since the map will be flat will it have distortions like real world flat global maps? For example northern and southern regions get stretched and look bigger while center regions are condensed and look smaller. Or will there be modifications made to keep the continents accurate in size but the oceans will get distorted?
I am really excited to see Creature Types and Subtypes now expressed as Traits. This is a much more flexible system, and I feel that it can more accurately reflect the aspects of a monster. For example we can now have a Creature with the Aberration and Fiend Triats to reflect the creature is both an outsider from the lower planes and an aberration. Granted there were ways to get around this before with the extraplanar subtype but that always felt awkward to me. One thing I don't like is having Hazard Traits and Creature Traits squished together. I hope when the final books come out they separate the two. It's a small thing but having a block of Hazard Traits and a block of Creature Traits would makes things easier to put together.
Nightmares I would like to see Nightmares broken into four separate species and have one breed for War, Death, Pestilence, and Famine. And maybe stop calling them Nightmares. What is currently called a Nightmare makes a good Horse of War. Then have completely new monsters called Nightmares and Cauchemar that are associated with sleep, dreams, and witches.
So can we expect a Libraries and Archives of Golarion at some point.
I hope Hags become Fey with a Hag Subtype I hope Elementals are separated from Outsider I hope creatures from the Shadow Plane get a Creature Type (Why are Nightwaves, Nightwalkers, etc. Undead when they could be umbral creatures of living shadow)
We will leave Pathfinder 1E with 40 Base Classes. I am excited to see a fresh approach to all of these classes and everyone in this thread has had some interesting and fun ideas so far. So I thought I would drop the full list of all 40 Base Classes here for everyone to reference when they are thinking of classes and coming up with ideas. Alchemist
So far all I can think of is that I would like to see the Samurai and the Ninja become more unique classes and less similar to the Rogue and Cavalier, although I am not sure what that might look like.
Couple of small changes: Give Outsiders that belong to group a name separate from the group name. For example the standard Kyton and Rakshasah having the same name as the group. This can cause unnecessary confusion. Also, if a creature needs to have both an official name and a common name because of copyright issues when used outside of the OGL include both in the creatures stat block. For example Glabrezu (Treachery Demon)
I love Prestige Classes but I am a little worried they might disappear in 2E. If Prestige Classes became something that are strictly associated with an organization/religion/faction/school/etc. And required some level of association with that group, along with a selection of specific skills/feats/class abilities/archtypes/etc. I think that would be an acceptable evolution of Prestige Classes and the term Prestige Class would still be appropriate.
I have been giving this some more thought and Creature Types as a whole might need a little more unchaining from the old 3.5 rules. My suggested changes to Creature Types: Aberration
This leaves us with 15 over arching creature types and breaks up the Outsider Creature Type in a way that I feel more accurately represents things not from the Material Plane but also not from the Outer Planes.
Actually a good way to potentially get monster focused bestiaries would be to have books that focused on both the creature type and rules relating to the creature type. For example a bestiary that was dragon focused could have rules about dragon ancestries, hunting dragons, and a bestiary of a range of dragons. In other words combine Legacy of Dragons, Dragon Hunter's Handbook, and a bunch a dragon bestiary entries that are not found in the new Bestiary 1. Include information about riding dragons, dragon companions/familiars, and dragon organizations (cough cough Dragon Disciples cough cough). Then we have a book that is both a GM and Player resource released in the RPG Line of books and adds a bunch of dragons to the 2E rules. Because the book isn't strictly a bestiary it could even be released in the same year as a bestiary. The book would be more rules focused with some Golarion lore, allowing a Golarion focused Dragon book to be released around the same time in the Campaign setting line of books. The Campaign setting book could then pack in a lot a lore with a few rules and an additional dragon or two. I could see something similar for Aberrations, Constructs, Fey, Magical Beasts, Monstrous Humanoids, and Undead. As much as I love Outsiders I think they might be more difficult to do in a book like this because Plane of origin has such a big impact on individual Outsiders.
I would definitely be happy to have bigger Bestiaries. Also, having a short line of Bestiaries focused on specific creature types, to help us get caught up would be great as well. My top choices would be for books focused on Aberrations, Dragons, Magical Beasts, and Monstrous Humanoids
There's some speculation that bards might become psychic, which would rock. Besides, the iconic Bard and Mesmerist are brothers to boot. That's actually pretty interesting because that would put all 4 of the standard Spell Lists in the game at the start. Leaving the possibility for mixed Spell Lists to be added later. Those being: Arcane/Divine Mix
And then that would cap Spell Lists at 10 different lists. Assuming partial casters simply get access to spells up to a particular level from whichever list they have access to.
Thanks Fuzzypaws, I missed that announcement!
This may be to reductive, but would it be reasonable to only have six Spell Lists. How this would work is something like: Arcane Spell List (Sorcerer and Wizard territory)
All spells fall on one or multiple of these Spell Lists. If you have a partial caster like a Paladin then they would cast spells from the Divine Spell List up to level 5 spells. This way Spell Lists are not updated by Class, but instead by theme. Later they could do something similar for a Psychic Spell List or Lists.
I really like the idea of adding the summon info in the monsters stat block. Summon: Summon Monster II, Natures Ally III And just like that the summons lists can expand and stay current. Then in the back of each Bestiary have a Summon Table that the GM can print out and give to any players that summon creatures.
I freely admit that I love Paizo's approach of tying Prestige Classes to the Campaign Setting and hope the future version of Prestige Classes in the core rulebook get ties to the Campaign Setting.
Please do: Keep prestige classes as a thing Please don't: Have generic prestige classes as a thing. I want my Shadowdancer and Dragon Disciples integrated into Golarion.
What changes are people looking for in a Bestiary? What rule changes do you want or what things should go away? My want: Creature Type for creatures from the Shadow Plane. I have long thought that creatures from the Shadow Plane need their own creature type similar to how creatures from the First World have their own creature type (Fey). Creatures from the Shadow Plane should be heavily influenced by Negative Energy similar to how Fey are heavily influenced by Positive Energy. However, creatures from the Shadow Plane should not be Undead, they should bridge the gap between living creatures and undead creatures.
Dragons get their own book, all of em. I am also hoping they will do a Bestiary of dragons, although if it is only True Dragons, I won't mind so long as the other dragons appear in the normal Bestiaries.
I will never understand the need to come up with 8 more names for the same class. LN paladin is still just a paladin, a NE paladin is still just a paladin. A CG paladin, yep still just a paladin. lol, I certainly don't know that there is a need for it. However, I don't think it takes away from the game to include it for those who want it. As long as the class is enjoyable to play and well designed I will be happy. If at the same time the class is broadened to incorporate the wants and desires of more players, I don't see anything wrong with that either. Also, Demon Lord of Paladins is an awesome title, and I will be borrowing for use in my game! Thank you sharing!!!
Paladins, blackguard, and anti-pallys for all! Actually, That is an interesting idea. Expand the Paladin Class to have multiple Alignment emphasis, with the features of the class depending on the Alignment and the ideas being championed and opposed. The ideas being championed will depend on the "paladin" code. Paladins = LG, LN, NG (focus is against evil/chaos) Antipaladins = CE, NE, CN (focus is against good/law) Grayguards = N, LN, CN (focus is against good/evil) Templars = N, NG, NE (focus is against law/chaos) Maquis = CG, CN, NG (focus is against evil/law) Magnate = LE, LN, NE (focus is against good/chaos)
Please do this: Stop grouping true dragons into clans of 5. I love true dragons but trying to force all true dragons into groups of 5 doesn't make sense.
Please do this: Continue to use the Race Builder rules or something similar. Also, balance the major starting player races so they all have the same point value. And for less common races with a similar theme make sure they are balanced to have the same race point values. Looking at you Suli, Undine,Ifrit, Slyph, and Oread.
Please do this: Add a creature type for things from the Shadow Plane. Creatures from the Shadow Plane desperately need a creature type that reflects their unique characteristics, similar to how the Fey creature type reflects creatures from that Plane. Shadow Plane creatures awkwardly get lumped with Undead because of the stronger influence of Negative Engery on that Plane. But Shadow Plane creatures should occupy the gap between undead and living creatures. Also, can we come up with generic single word terms for Magical Beast and Monstrous Humanoid. All other creature types have single word descriptors and, in my opinion that makes those two feel clunky.
Elven Subraces: The rules we know so far and a little speculation. Forlorn
Jinin Elf
Mordant Spire Elf
Desert Elf
Ekujae (Wild Elf)
Savage Elf
Wasteland Elf
Arctic/Snowcaster Elf
Dusk Elf
Tower Elf
Fae Elf
Dwarven Subraces: The rules we know so far and a little speculation. Pahmet (Sand Dwarf)
Paraheen
Deep Delver Dwarf
Mountain Dwarf
Elder Dwarf
Exiled Dwarf
After taking a closer look at how the term subrace/variant race is defined in the Advanced Race Guide, I no longer expect to see information on Drow, Aquatic Elves, Sivrfneblin, Duergar, Fey/Original Gnome, Kuru, etc. All of those are appear to be more of a Race unto themselves instead of a subrace/variant race. So here is my attempt to identify the all the subraces/variant races mentioned in the Advanced Race Guide and other sources and what that subrace/variant race is called on Golarion. I am still excluding Half-Elves and Half-Orcs as they already have a book. Pahmet (Desert Dwarf) – No Race Traits Identified
Artic Elf – No Race Name Identified
Dread Gnome – No Race Name Identified
Avenging Halfling – No Race Name Identified
Cosmopolitan Human – No Race Name Identified
Looking at the above Subraces/Variant races I am interested in seeing Paizo examine the concept of a Subrace in greater detail. Based on the concepts of Subraces that have been identified I have attempted to try and identify what qualifies as a Subrace. Subrace
So considering the above, this is all pretty interesting because it gives us some idea of when in Golarion's history some Subraces become there own Race and which current Subraces may be developing into there own Race. For example I could see the Arctic Elves and Bleachlings developing into there own Race at some point. Also, Humans seem more inclined to quickly develop into a separate Race (Kuru, Gillmen, Munavri, Azlanti) and Halflings are the least likely to branch into unique Races. Also, Elves seem the most inclined to develop Subraces, although this makes since considering the effects environment has on Elves. Looking forward to this book. I hope each Subrace gets a half page spread like the Subraces of Aasimar, Changelings, Half-Orcs, etc.
I am very excited about this book considering this is a topic not covered very often.I was trying to think of all the diverse racial groups,below is whati came up with. Elven Diversity
Dwarven Diversity
Gnome Diversity
Halfling Diversity
Human Diversity
What am I missing? I am specifially not including groups that already have a book covering that group such as Half-Elves, Half-Ors, Aasimar, etc. While there are race books about Elves and Dwarves, those books have very little discussion on the diverse groups within the larger population group.
Don't forget about Lizardfolk. They would have been around as well.
Guardians of Dragonfall was a module from a short-lived experimental era where we tinkered with doing adventures that weren't necessarily part of Golarion. AKA: We won't be carrying forward elements from that adventure. Arcanatons included.The gorgas is something so obscure that not even the Creative Director had it/him/her/them on his radar. They are not in this book as a result, but I'll look into them and see about getting them handled somewhere else if possible.Then hopefully you will remember the Arcanatons. A whole group of neutral outsiders made of pure arcane energy. See Guardians of Dragonfall for what little info there is to be found. To be fair, my hope was more that you all might take a look at the Arcanatons with fresh eyes. The basic idea of a neutral outsider group that expresses itself as living arcane magic is pretty awesome, plus the name Arcanaton is pretty hardcore. But as far as their goals, what powers they serve, and where they are from, all of that has yet to be detailed. And with so little written about Arcanatons if there is anything you all don't like and/or would change doing so would not hurt the established Golarion canon. I understand Guardians of Dragonfall was experimental and as an adventure it does not mesh well with the Golarion that has since been established. I just hope that Arcanatons are not a victim of that adventure for having first appeared there, and instead have been considered independently for their potential as an arcane focused outsider group.
The gorgas is something so obscure that not even the Creative Director had it/him/her/them on his radar. They are not in this book as a result, but I'll look into them and see about getting them handled somewhere else if possible. Then hopefully you will remember the Arcanatons. A whole group of neutral outsiders made of pure arcane energy. See Guardians of Dragonfall for what little info there is to be found.
I hope we get a Campaign Setting book to accompany this that focuses on Demi-Planes associated with Golarion While I am excited about that one, that is focused on cities within the planes being described. I want some Demiplane awesomeness as well!
Also! I hope there is at least some discussion on other Dimensions aka places not considered part of the planes/cosmos
I hope we get a Campaign Setting book to accompany this that focuses on Demi-Planes associated with Golarion
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So many awesome stretch goals, I was hoping to see Nature's Orders and the Holy Remix make the stretch goal list, but we still have time :-) If they don't make in the book having them edited and added as a bonus pdf would be the bees knees.
*offers hugs to Brinebeast* Thanks Rysky, I will probably start on this tomorrow. And we'll see how far I get...
So what you are saying Mark is that someone would need to go through what has been printed and find every inclusion of these Prestige Classes and annotate where they are listed and then analyze what has previously been written. Well, not that it would necessarily go any where but I will give it a try.
Thanks Mark, greatly appreciate the advice. That being said it would still be awesome to see those Prestige Classes tied to specific organizations. Just like how in the Core Rule Book the Pathfinder Chronicler is tied to the Pathfinder Society in the Campaign Setting.
I would like to see an Adventurers Guide in reverse where Paizo takes the Prestige Classes from the Core Rule Book and Advanced Player's Guide and expands them as organizations within the the Pathfinder Campaign Setting. I want to know more about the Dragon Disciples, Shadowdancers, Horizon Walkers,Rage Prophets, Nature Wardens, Holy Vindicators, Arcane Archers, Loremasters, Eldritch Knights, and Mystic Thurges. Who are they, what are their goals, where do they come from, what are their beliefs, what is the structure of the organization? This would a great book.
This is a most exciting clue! I hope this book expands to include a bunch of the KQ class stuff!
Can we have a book in the Campaign Setting Line that gives this treatment to the Prestige Classes from the Core Rulebook. Actually detailing the organizations on Golarion the Prestige Classes are associated with and how the Prestige Classes for into the world. This is long overdue!
Someone please share the details of this bookmark, those of us who are not there are eagerly awaiting these details!
I would like to see a Pathfinder Manual of the Planes with 10 page writes for each of the 22 planes listed below. Overall probably about a 320 page book. Included in the write ups would be rules for typical planar traits for the plane. And 6 page writes ups for a couple of demiplanes. The overall layout would look like this: Introduction
Then in the Campaign Setting line a 64 page book with 6 page write ups for any 8 of the demiplanes below, plus a bestiary and maybe a hazards section. Starred are the eight I want to see most. Although I wouldn’t mind if this was an oversized book of 120 pages so it could include more demiplanes.
If I am missing an demiplanes let me know.
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