Pathfinder Rage of Elements

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Blaze like the sun!
Crash like the waves!
Thunder like a rockslide!

Harness the overwhelming power of the most primordial forces of nature with Rage of Elements, a new 224-page rules resource for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game focused on the fundamental building blocks of reality itself!

The elements are yours to control with the all-new kineticist class, which brings one of fantasy’s most popular hero types to Pathfinder. New elemental spells and gear provide tons of additional element-themed options for all character classes, and an extensive gazetteer provides an overview of the majestic elemental planes—including two new ones: the decaying Plane of Metal and the vast and orderly forests of the Plane of Wood. A meaty bestiary presenting scores of element-themed creatures helps to populate these alien landcapes—and liven up even the drabbest Material Plane dungeon!

The gateways to elemental power stand open wide with Pathfinder Rage of Elements!

Written by: Logan Bonner, Jason Bulmahn, James Case, Jessica Catalan, Andrew D. Geels, Sen H.H.S., Patrick Hurley, Jason Keeley, Luis Loza, Mark Moreland, Jonathan Morgantini, AJ Neuro, Jessica Redekop, Michael Sayre, Mark Seifter, Shahreena Shahrani, Shay Snow, Solomon St. John, Levi Steadman, Mari Tokuda, Ruvaid Virk, Andrew White, and Linda Zayas-Palmer.

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The first PF2e book that contains a good amount of metal

5/5

Kineticist is great. While being skeptical at first, I find myself enjoying the moves away from the OGL. The new lore is fun.


5/5

First - Kineticist. My favorite child has made a triumphant return!
Second... look, If you want me to buy your book, there are worse ideas out there than a cover that's like 40% elemental t-rex. And the rest of the art is nearly as awesome as the cover! My first physical book of 2e - zero regrets


A good book but i am confused about the metal plane.

4/5

Kinéthésist oh, my gods 5/5.

Now, flavor wise the metal plane has an aspect of rust and decay, but mechanically you see nothing like this. No void damage from the Kinéthésist, no spell that gives tetanus or corrode metal (or use acid?)
You have a god rust monster and nothing rust related. I am sad.

Also i have difficulty to picture the plane.


4/5

It's pretty disappointing how many spells were removed from the Elementalist spell list for seemingly no reason.




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senshi_shinri_teki wrote:

Is there a new character sheet out there somewhere for the Kineticist? I was thinking the Core Remaster Preview document would include one.

I doubt it. They stopped making sheets for classes after adv. Players guide and I tho k they said they wouldn't be doin anymore pregens or class sheets for other classes


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The pdf currently says unavailable...when will it be available?


MagnusPrime wrote:
The pdf currently says unavailable...when will it be available?

Looks available to me currently, must've gone live on the hour.


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MagnusPrime wrote:
The pdf currently says unavailable...when will it be available?

Also seems to be available to me.

What do you mean with "Magnus Prime"? Hrmpf.

Dark Archive

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Got the book which is nice, but yeah I do admit I do still miss alignment a bit, at least aps have removing it gradually since tomb of sky king still has it x'D Guess pfs might be forced to have it for longer unless they want to invalidate pre remaster options that use alignment


Pardon my ignorance, but wasn't the concept of alignments... kinda hated in recent years? I think the biggest problem is how there are now so many shades of grey that alignments just don't reflect enough anymore.

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Whatever wider opinion is unrelated to my opinion xD

That and while I think I occasionally posted in alignment threads, I never saw big need to get defensive about alignment because I thought if it would be removed, it would be in like ten more years in PF3e x'D


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This is a thread about Rage of Elements, not about alignment changes in Remaster.


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Looking through it now. Its a bit disappointing that Kineticist doesnt get expert proficiency until 7th, making them quite a bit less accurate than other damage dealers. At least they get to Legendary, but it is very late in the day.

Looking through going to post any questions here.

Tremor deals 1d8 damage but scales with d10's. That seems...unusual. Is it intentional?


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Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.


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I also think the art is really good, but the quality of the images is just very disappointing. It's hard to properly appreciate the art considering how it almost looks blurry? I'm sure other people understand the technical side of things better than I do, but I do know it doesn't look good.


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While alignment is not really necessary to run a monster under the currently existing rules, it is kinda important for deities since it's a large portion of the divine spell lists' damage and determines what champion subclasses you can play.
So... any chance someone at Paizo would be willing to share the pre-remaster alignment & follower alignments of the new wood & metal elemental lords so that we can actually play clerics & champions of them without having to wait 3/11 months and buy a whole different book?


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Hopefully after GenCon Paizo can redo this PDF? The image quality is horrifically subpar. I don't care if the single file PDF is 100 or 200 MB; I want to appreciate the art! But instead I am so distracted by how bad it looks... Kind of a bummer since I'm so excited about this book!


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Grasp of the Deep doesnt make much sense. Shouldnt the failure entry says full damage? Is the damage in the failure entry in addition to the 6d6 or just a reference to it?


I remember they were originally working on a Metal Druid, but I guess that didn't pan out?


andreww wrote:
Grasp of the Deep doesnt make much sense. Shouldnt the failure entry says full damage? Is the damage in the failure entry in addition to the 6d6 or just a reference to it?

My guess is that first sentence is supposed to be in the "success" entry, since it's basically the same. Failure stating that the target takes 6d6 damage (so full damage) corresponds to what is usually done.


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togapika wrote:
I remember they were originally working on a Metal Druid, but I guess that didn't pan out?

They scrapped it after they decided to remove druid's metal anathema in the remaster making the metal druid archetype (I think?) feel less necessary. Might be an actual core druidic order in the remaster maybe.

Wayfinders Contributor

Does anyone know where I can find the remaster summary document for rage of elements? Does anyone know if Sylphs, Ifrits, Undines and Oreads have been renamed?

Liberty's Edge

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Here you go! Ifrits are renamed (since that's now the names of the fire genies) but I think everyone else is the same.


And it came out on Roll20 as well, looking forward to some dwarfy Blast action in as that is what I'll be GMing next fairly soon!!

Good times

Tom


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Thrillington wrote:

Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.

Another comment to echo and support this issue; I have also raised a ticket with Customer Service so that they can track it.

Hopefully we will see a "hi res" aka "normal" version released following Gencon.


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AJCarrington wrote:
Thrillington wrote:

Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.

Another comment to echo and support this issue; I have also raised a ticket with Customer Service so that they can track it.

Hopefully we will see a "hi res" aka "normal" version released following Gencon.

Good idea, I also sent in an email about this. Hopefully they see that this matters a lot to people - I for one would not keep buying pdfs on here if they are all going to be of this low quality going forward.


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Icoret wrote:
AJCarrington wrote:
Thrillington wrote:

Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.

Another comment to echo and support this issue; I have also raised a ticket with Customer Service so that they can track it.

Hopefully we will see a "hi res" aka "normal" version released following Gencon.

Good idea, I also sent in an email about this. Hopefully they see that this matters a lot to people - I for one would not keep buying pdfs on here if they are all going to be of this low quality going forward.

I may do the same. I don't consider myself a picky person or one who expects high quality, but the quality is *really* low even for my already low standards.


Wait, Lini isn't on the front cover? I thought she was, but it appears to be a generic man instead...

Silver Crusade

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That “generic guy” is Yoon.

She is the Iconic Kineticist, the class in the book.


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Just wanted to share the response from Customer Service regarding the PDF image quality in RoE. Good news is that they are working on a fix!

Thanks for writing in about this issue! At this time our art team is aware of this PDF image quality issue and that the compression in the zip file and file size it's self are what is mainly causing this and are actively working to get that pdf looking better for everyone in the future. We ask for your patience while that file is addressed as most departments are still getting back from gen-con atm thanks for your time and patience in this manner.


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I got the same response too! Very pleased. :)


So it's been almost two weeks now, I just wanted to check in. Is there any word on a fix for the pdf?

Director of Marketing

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Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.


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Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Is there a way to get a refund then?


Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Will this be fixed with the switch over to the new website that is planned?


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Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Hmm, that's a bit odd considering the Rage of Elements PDF is easily the smallest of the rulebooks at 23MB, when Treasure Vault is sitting here at 145MB... and the Fists of the Ruby Phoenix hardcover PDF is at 180MB...

Clearly, there's room for less compression.

Director of Marketing

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Icoret wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Is there a way to get a refund then?

We see the product as acceptable, but you are welcome to email Customer Service and ask.

Director of Marketing

KaiBlob1 wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Will this be fixed with the switch over to the new website that is planned?

We can't say at this time.

Director of Marketing

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Curmudgeonly wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Hmm, that's a bit odd considering the Rage of Elements PDF is easily the smallest of the rulebooks at 23MB, when Treasure Vault is sitting here at 145MB... and the Fists of the Ruby Phoenix hardcover PDF is at 180MB...

Clearly, there's room for less compression.

I believe the issue is the size of the source file. As I said, our art team is still looking into it.


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Aaron Shanks wrote:
Icoret wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Is there a way to get a refund then?
We see the product as acceptable, but you are welcome to email Customer Service and ask.

I got my refund, thank you.

I don't want to be rude, but I do want to be firm about something. I really don't think you should consider this acceptable as a product. It looks really bad. Obviously I can't speak for everybody, but I personally won't be buying any other pdfs that share this similar lack of quality. And previously I would just buy pdfs from here without question, but it's worrying to hear that you consider it okay to sell something which looks like this.

It is a big disappointment because I really wanted to read this one, and it was the book I've been looking forward to the most since it was announced.

Anyways, I got my money back so I'm going to move on now. There are other books to read. Thank you for your time.


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Sorry, I don't think the PDF in its current state is "acceptable" quality. The images are compressed to hell and look like crap no matter what size screen I look at it on. I'm really second guessing buy any more PDFs in the future if this low quality is what's deemed acceptable.


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Is unfortunate that such things will likely be standard in Paizo products going forward. Made port of call's location art really ugly.

Director of Marketing

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To clarify, the PDF I download from our site looks good, so I don't see the low quality or pixilation. Please continue to communicate to Customer Service so they can show our Art and Web Store teams. I agree that quality control is important, but I can neither see it nor change it.


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Aaron Shanks wrote:
To clarify, the PDF I download from our site looks good, so I don't see the low quality or pixilation. Please continue to communicate to Customer Service so they can show our Art and Web Store teams. I agree that quality control is important, but I can neither see it nor change it.

When I reached out to support, they responded with: "At this time our art team is aware of this PDF image quality issue and that the compression in the zip file and file size it's self are what is mainly causing this and are actively working to get that pdf looking better for everyone in the future."

Customer support have agreed there is an issue and that it will be fixed.

I disagree with your statement that the quality looks good but I think that all depends on how the PDF is used. So let me clarify how I use it to help get my point of view across.

The jpg distortions are most evident at the top of page 8. Zoom in to screen width as I do to have a good look at the inner/outer planes diagram. Distortions are everywhere where there is a boundary of one color to another. Now scroll up and look at the Pathfinder logo, also distorted.

I did the above on a 27" monitor where it is most evident. You could argue that isn't how people normally consume the PDF. But when it comes to trying to have a good look at a diagram, it's what I do all the time. At this scale, I would expect to see some minor jpg artifacts, that is the side-effect of jpg compression, but not the amount I am seeing. Now if you zoom back out to full page view, you will still see the distortions now that you know what to look for. My brain automatically draws my attention to these, so it really bugs me.

Now when I normally read PDFs on my 10" tablet I do that in landscape orientation. Same page and image and I can clearly see jpg artifacts. At this scale I would not expect to see any. Other Paizo PDFs are fine.

While the physical book sits on my shelf for occasional browsing, it's the PDF I mostly use for my gaming and it's important to me. Having lovely colorful art I can appreciate makes that experience so much better.


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As Aaron asked, I have now passed on the extra details from my post above to customer service. Hopefully this helps the Art and Web Store teams to better understand how I use a PDF and why I would like the image quality improved in this PDF.

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Wzrd wrote:
As Aaron asked, I have now passed on the extra details from my post above to customer service. Hopefully this helps the Art and Web Store teams to better understand how I use a PDF and why I would like the image quality improved in this PDF.

I was thinking maybe pictures of the screen could help.

I do not have the product myself, but it feels to me that maybe Aaron literally does not see the same things other people complain about.

Grand Lodge

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I can see the distortions on my copy, but only after having them pointed out. They aren't enough to impact my user experience but I can see how others might.


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Well let's look at the cover art, on 100% size (which is not how I personally typically consume the PDF, I prefer being zoomed in more at 125%).

There's jpg like pixel compressions all over the place.

Here's the cover art on this very product page.

Because I'm unsure if I'm allowed to post a screenshot of my pdf's cover page, just to play it safe, I'll only do a small snippet for comparison. If you're unsure what the difference is, an obvious spot to look at is where different colours meet. Look at the highlight on the top of Ayrzul's snout for example. That bright line looks a lot more blocky on my version. The cracks in the skulls are blurrier and less sharp. You can also see lots of compression in the background colours, it's more blurred together where in the product image you can see how there's more solid shapes of the brush strokes. And bear in mind, this is just the cover art. The very first image you'd see. And one where you have an obvious reference of another image. Disregard the different 'width' of it since that's clearly just because of the perspective effect on the product image.

Perhaps it's because I'm an artist myself, and often commission other artists, and the fact that I buy these PDFs 70% for the art, that I notice these compressions and pixellations more than Aaron might? It's like an image that's been shared around so often it's gone through more than just a few jpg compressions (compared to other PDFs I bought where it's much more minor and what I'd expect because I know compressions have to happen).

I've already sent my concerns to the team which had the "We are aware it's an issue and it's being looked into" response, so I don't know if sending anything in again wouldn't be adding much, I'm sure the other artists would know how obvious these issues are and I feel like pointing it out to them like a child might be almost condescending, but if it might help, maybe I can send in another concern again later this week if just because I'm concerned that the issue might have been dismissed due to Aaron's dismissive responses.

I'd have to echo the other notions of being hesitant to buy these in the future if this is the new standard of quality. I can get the lore (the 30% of what I buy these books for) from elsewhere. This is an insanely disappointing response to what previously I had given so much excitement for.

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I honestly can't see the difference there.


Definitely a different trained eye thing then, which would explain Aaron's view that it's fine. That makes me slightly less concerned that it was a wholly accepted lower standard. Hopefully the artists at Paizo will care more (which they obviously did if the email I had gotten was any indication) and be able to push for and figure out a fix and make sure future products will be more in line with the other products' standards.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
I honestly can't see the difference there.

TBT I can see it even though I am far from being an artist. But the commentary from Twiggies helped me know what to look for.

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Hey folks, I didn't mean to sound dismissive and I apologize for that. I am doing my best to set expectations. Above, I've related my understanding of the situation to you all based on my conversation with Paizo's Director of Visual Design. Paizo continues to look into the issue, but we do not know when or if there will be a correction.


Aaron - will this issue potentially impact upcoming releases?

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AJCarrington wrote:
Aaron - will this issue potentially impact upcoming releases?

I've not heard that it will. I'll inquire.

I can see that the Player Core and GM PDFs we've prepped for download are in the mid 30 MB range. I can see that Treasure Vault was over 100 MB, but Guns & Gears was about 30, Dark Archive was in the 30s, and Book of the Dead in the 50s.

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