Pathfinder Secrets of Magic

They are shipping in August though bud. They'll start shipping either today or tomorrow. But they ship orders for both subscribers and retailers at the same time. They do not prioritize one over the other. They never have and never will. The only thing that changed is that they moved back the street date because the delay in processing the orders is making them err on the side of caution to ensure that retailers will have the book by the street date. This makes it much more likely that you will in fact have your book before the street date.

If that is true then that is great and this would all be much ado about nothing. it just seemed that they delayed for an extra week (rather than a few days due to the late order Authorization.) for no reason and blamed international shipping.

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book? Personally I want to deep dive into magus and play out my dreams of making a Redmage.

I'm really looking forward to the lore bits and magic treatises!

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book? Personally I want to deep dive into magus and play out my dreams of making a Redmage.

Personally excited to see spells, I know a big complaint of the current system in my group is the lack of more modular spells (Heal, Magic Missile). I am hoping this changes. Also hoping for more fun "Divine" spells, I am just never excited when reading the current list.

Oh right! I forgot about the book of ultimate magic chapter. I'm really curious how shadow magic and geomancy are going to function in the grand scheme of things.

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book? Personally I want to deep dive into magus and play out my dreams of making a Redmage.

All of it. The new lore sounds great, I want to see the 2e versions of the classes, more spells and items and new types of spells and items are always welcome, and the new subsystems are most intriguing.

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book? Personally I want to deep dive into magus and play out my dreams of making a Redmage.

Mostly magus right now, but also the geomancer and elementalist stuff sounds interesting. Also hoping the extra spells will help the divine list catch up to the others.

Lets bring the focus back to the contents of the book rather than shipping issues.

Excited for Magus, whatever Archetypes surprise me, and the info on Occult Magic specifically.

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book? Personally I want to deep dive into magus and play out my dreams of making a Redmage.

I'm primarily looking forward to the classes, but I'm also excited for class archetypes so I can have examples to look at when homebrewing my own. Been wanting to make an archetype for Witch to emulate the 5e Warlock for a while now.

I am most excited for Shadow Magic and Ley Lines.
All of the Lore on Magic.

I just can't wait.

I've been planning to run a 20th level campaign for the past year. but wanted to wait for this book. as magic will be a major part of the story and will use Ley lines.

My BBEG is a master of Shadow Magic and my best friend's character was a Phoenix blooded Sorceress who was also an elemental master. so once I have this book I can put in the last fw details I need and can start running. my group is super excited to play and so am I.

At this point, the Classes themselves are probably the most exciting thing for me, because I realized I have exciting character concepts for both, and so do other players on our server. Magus's especially are competitive for top dog in my heart and the post playtest revision version we've been seeing teased since Paizocon seems like they hit that sweet spot of exactly what I need it to be, complete with personal teleportation, defensive options, and a variety of weapon styles, and a recharging focus based Spellstrike for special moves (the wandering swordmage flavor has been my white whale since DND4e happened.)

I do really love Ley Lines conceptually, and True Names as well, so I'm looking forward to how those two parts of the Book of Unlimited Magic are expressed mechanically. Catharthic Mage is also expressing something I've always loved, but I need to see what it does and how it works before I can get excited about using it.

I have like four Magi and five summoners I've already planned out in my head.

Very excited.

I'm really excited to see the new spells and the stuff about the ley lines.

I'm really curious to see how this book will suck me back in. I'm running two Pathfinder campaigns right now, one of which is a nearly complete two-year playthrough of Age of Ashes. I'm really wanting to stretch my legs and run some sci fi or Call of Cthulhu or Deadlands or something. But what is really interesting me about Secrets of Magic is that I'm pretty sure reading it will make me want to run only Pathfinder for another couple of years... Jury's out. Real exciting though!

Do people have a particular Hybrid Study they’re drawn to? All of my concepts seem to end up the ranged option.

Do people have a particular Hybrid Study they’re drawn to? All of my concepts seem to end up the ranged option.

I suspect 99% of my future magi will be Laughing Shadow, but oddly my first one is almost certainly going to be Inexorable Iron, just so I can make maximal use of the wish blade.

For Hybrid Studies, Laughing Shadow seems like the one for me. Dimension Door and punching dudes with magic.

I'm really happy to see support for Elementalists and, in particular, Fire Druids. I like fire focused characters.

Do people have a particular Hybrid Study they’re drawn to? All of my concepts seem to end up the ranged option.

Laughing Shadow is the big one for me because IIRC it has teleport + Strike as its recharge spell, which is big vibes for me. But I'm intrigued by the concept of both Inexorable Iron and Sparkling Targe-- it'll come down if I end up liking the vibe the mechanics are giving off for those two though.

What's the difference between the hybrid studies? I haven't seen any info on those.

I wanted to address some of the shipping/logistics conversation without derailing this thread further, so I created a post here: "Logistics of New Product Releases on Paizo.com". You can ask questions there, or in the monthly threads that customer service posts for updates on new releases' shipping.

I am excited for the new Prepared Spellcasting archetype for prepared casters. I love how spells scale Pathfinder 2E and the way cantrips work as well, but I was always peeved about the fact you had to prepare each individual spell slot or know certain levels or a spell to cast them for Spontaneous casters. I do prefer the D&D 5E spell preparation method for both Spontaneous and Prepared casters, and I'm hoping this archetype can let me enjoy that preparation system with 2E spell & cantrips.

Also very excited for the Runelord Archetype and if the Artwork in Today's Blog hints at anything, I think it shows Polearm Proficiency for Wizards.

I'm most looking forward to the Sparkling Targe Hybrid Study. I have a cute Goblin researcher that wields a Stiletto Pen and her research notes as her shield.

caster dedications. buffing/support spells. Day long duration spells. caster items to dump gold on to. I wonder what parts will be accepted for PFS. there are lots of things that I hope are in the book but probably not.

I'm excited to see what new options specialists wizards get. Something to make Evokers more evokery and necromancers more necromancery.

Nishah Lharast wrote:

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book? Personally I want to deep dive into magus and play out my dreams of making a Redmage.

Personally excited to see spells, I know a big complaint of the current system in my group is the lack of more modular spells (Heal, Magic Missile). I am hoping this changes. Also hoping for more fun "Divine" spells, I am just never excited when reading the current list.

Honestly I am much the same I think paizo meant for clerics to be expanded by the extra spells their speicific deity gave them (which I personally love) but this left the divine list feeling somewhat weak compared to other casting traditions, especially in cantrip department. So I hope for some expansion in the divine list.

What's the difference between the hybrid studies? I haven't seen any info on those.

Each one lends to a different martial playstyle, and gives you a different Focus Spell that usually compresses Actions and Recharges Spellstrike, and also offer benefits when in your Arcane Cascade stance.

Laughing Shadow - One-Handed Weapons, Free-Hand, Unarmored
Starlit Span - Ranged Weapons (including Thrown and Ranged Unarmed)
Sparkling Targe - Sword and Shield
Inexorable Iron - Two-Handed Weapons
Twisting Tree - Staves (including Casting Staves WITH property runes)

And they’ve confirmed Starlit Span works with firearms, which makes the wait for G&G doubly hard!

So what is everyone most excited for out of the book?

Can't wait to see the finalized summoner class, summons and minions is always something I gravitate towards.

Nishah Lharast wrote:

What's the difference between the hybrid studies? I haven't seen any info on those.

Each one lends to a different martial playstyle, and gives you a different Focus Spell that usually compresses Actions and Recharges Spellstrike, and also offer benefits when in your Arcane Cascade stance.

Laughing Shadow - One-Handed Weapons, Free-Hand, Unarmored
Starlit Span - Ranged Weapons (including Thrown and Ranged Unarmed)
Sparkling Targe - Sword and Shield
Inexorable Iron - Two-Handed Weapons
Twisting Tree - Staves (including Casting Staves WITH property runes)

To add to this we know that:

Laughing Shadow has a short range teleport + strike for its Spellstrike recharge spell, Arcane Cascade increases mobility and adds damage.

Inexorable Iron gets THP every turn from Arcane Cascade.

Twisting Tree have a spinny staff attack that can hit two targets for its recharge.

I assume all of them add damage to one degree or another, but that's technically speculation.

I do really love Ley Lines conceptually, and True Names as well, so I'm looking forward to how those two parts of the Book of Unlimited Magic are expressed mechanically. Catharthic Mage is also expressing something I've always loved, but I need to see what it does and how it works before I can get excited about using it.

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I can’t wait to see the new archetypes, I’m especially interested in the Runelord one

I'm very happy that Targe works with the Shield spell. I'm looking forward to using that to represent one of my characters. Combine it with a Guns & Gears prosthetic, or necrograft arm if we ever get that, and he's good to go.

I've got a Wizard character with a charming handshake that will
probably be much better represented as a Runelord of Lust, given what we know about the domain spells.

The Hunger eidolon will be interesting to check out. There's a character I have based around the kodoku curse that might translate very well now.

PDFs are going out now. There's some rather interesting high-level magical items.

I just got my PDF, doing an AMA on reddit ;)

I just got my PDF, doing an AMA on reddit ;)

Link Please?

Got mine too, woo! What do you guys want to know?

Shadow magic and spells?

Got mine too, woo! What do you guys want to know?

=D Can you tell us about the new druid orders?

I just got mine, and its glorious!!!!

still waiting on mine, can't wait though. I was hoping for at least one Cleric doctrine..

Fumarole wrote:

Got mine too, woo! What do you guys want to know?

=D Can you tell us about the new druid orders?

Flame, Stone, Wave orders. Wildfire, crushing ground, rising surf order spells, respectively.

Got mine too, woo! What do you guys want to know?

We have only learned about 1 of the new backgrounds in this book, the "Song of the Deep"; can you tell us more, please and how many are there?

How are the builds between each eidolon type generally different? Is it just that they are a Brute Strength build and a Dexterous build with only their different ability scores to differentiate them or do they also get different abilities? For example, what makes a Wrecker Demon different from a Tempter Demon and what are the different builds for the Fey eidolon?

Are there any new general feats or skill feats besides Tattoo Artist?

How do Fulu work and can you provide an example, please?

There are eighteen backgrounds.

Song of the Deep is for those who were washed overboard and drowned. Magical sea creatures brought you back to life. You can breathe water and air, or only water and gain a second ability boost.

Got mine too, woo! What do you guys want to know?

I am curious to know if there is there anything for cleric specifically?

I was hoping for at least one Cleric doctrine..

There are none.

Just needed to stop in for a quick shout out ...

The artwork and the design/layout of the book is incredible.

AndeGame wrote:

I was hoping for at least one Cleric doctrine..

There are none.

so sad, oh well I wasn't expecting one. maybe a future book? :D

I saw that the runelord archetype forgoes some schools depending on your sin. Does it buff a certain school in return?

Fulus are small paper consumables that can be attached to armor, shields, weapons, creatures or structures.

The Fulu of Fire Suppression is one that would be attached to a structure. It is basically a fire sprinkler.

How many new ray spells are there?

What archetypes exist outside of Runelord and Soulforger?