Isabelle Lee |
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Downloaded the PDF today and reading chapter 1 currently. So far this book shines with a good chapter structure (chapter 1 is clear-cut for players, everything beyond is GM only), methodic archetype description (every archetype gets exactly one page and a decent image) and a quite interesting feat list:
Spoiler:* metamagic to create difficult terrain with area spells
* Demonic Style for the generic pouncing barbarian (moar damage, bull rush your foes around)
* some fun with tails
* better healing with the Heal skill at level 1
* compression ability at level 7
* Planar Heritage (which actually offers fewer options than Racial Heritage, but can be good for a fly or burrow speed)
* metamagic that throws a target around (at least a fantastic NPC option)
* jump much higher at level 3
There are a few options that put a lot of power into the hands of players (or NPCs):* a ranger archetype that allows you to fly at level 4
* a feat that essentially gives you hide in plain sight at level 5
* a feat that hands out dimension door at level 9The dimension door feat turns Dimensional Agility etc. into fighter bonus feats - which is actually very welcome.
I am not so happy with Tempting Bargain. It allows an Unchained summoner to take an eidolon of any alignment (useful), but also can drag the PC's alignment toward the eidolon's - which is a random alignment shift, controlled by dice luck instead of player or GM agency.
I'm glad you (mostly) liked the feats. I had a blast writing them! ^_^
As for that last one, it's obviously meant to evoke a certain very well-known story. The mechanics are there largely to provide a bare-bones version; for a home campaign, I fully endorse working with your GM or player to turn it into a more organic roleplaying process.
Isabelle Lee |
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Tons of great feats in this one, and a nifty Rogue archetype. EDIT: Looks like Unchained Rogues just lose access to debilitating injury.
** spoiler omitted **
I'm glad you like the look of it - I was rather nervous making a rogue archetype with no sneak attack! Hopefully it attracts a bit of interest (though I'm sure it'll be a rather niche choice). And it should be fully compatible with all emotional foci, backwards and forwards, even those that rely on slam attacks. ^_^
Isabelle Lee |
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I love this book.
I love the spell anywhere, but here
I love the line in its description that goes "The specific plane is
determined by the table below; the location on the destination
plane where the transported creatures arrive is completely
subject to the GM’s whim."GM's whim.
Arbitrary.
Beautiful.
Explicitly programming GM discretion into stuff is a personal passion. ^_^
Cole Deschain |
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So, snagged a copy of the PDF (and will get a hard copy from my FLGS).
I love it. I love it so very many ways.
The art is killer, the writing is engaging.
The character options are just weird enough to be awesome (As someone with little love for Spiritualists and mad love for Psychopomps, running a Spiritualist who traded their Phantom in for a Nosoi Psychopomp familiar is a thing I didn't know I needed until I saw it).
The deity sections aren't so much long on new information as concisely informative about the general state of a deity's business, which is something I appreciate.
...
Think I'll go post exactly this as a review.
Dragon78 |
Personally I wish the planar infusion feats granted a natural planar adaptation type effect for the specific plane you are infused with. Also gaining energy resistances and/or other adaptations, traits, characteristics, abilities, etc. related to the plane with the improved and greater versions of the feat.
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QuidEst wrote:I'm glad you like the look of it - I was rather nervous making a rogue archetype with no sneak attack! Hopefully it attracts a bit of interest (though I'm sure it'll be a rather niche choice). And it should be fully compatible with all emotional foci, backwards and forwards, even those that rely on slam attacks. ^_^Tons of great feats in this one, and a nifty Rogue archetype. EDIT: Looks like Unchained Rogues just lose access to debilitating injury.
** spoiler omitted **
I second the praise of that archetype. I wandered all the way over here from the playtest forum that I've been haunting just to express how delightful I found it.
May that archetype wind up a full class on its own in PF2
Gisher |
Gisher wrote:Are the Lantern Style feats related to Lantern Archons, lantern staffs, standard lanterns, or something else?The what? Do you have a page #?
Oops! Those are from Distant Realms. Somehow I got two plane-focused books released on the same day confused with each other. ;)
Dark Midian |
AnimatedPaper wrote:Oops! Those are from Distant Realms. Somehow I got two plane-focused books released on the same day confused with each other. ;)Gisher wrote:Are the Lantern Style feats related to Lantern Archons, lantern staffs, standard lanterns, or something else?The what? Do you have a page #?
Well, Distant Realms is the Golarion supplement to Planar Adventures, so you're not wrong... ;)
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Gisher wrote:Well, Distant Realms is the Golarion supplement to Planar Adventures, so you're not wrong... ;)AnimatedPaper wrote:Oops! Those are from Distant Realms. Somehow I got two plane-focused books released on the same day confused with each other. ;)Gisher wrote:Are the Lantern Style feats related to Lantern Archons, lantern staffs, standard lanterns, or something else?The what? Do you have a page #?
Wrong thread, though.
Chronicler of Worlds is an Int-based Bard! I've been waiting for this for... a long time.
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Cole Deschain wrote:The deity sections aren't so much long on new information as concisely informative about the general state of a deity's business, which is something I appreciate.We do now have in-canon confirmation that Sarenrae, Shelyn, and Desna are lovers, which is nice to see ^w^
Well, at least they finally confirmed it. Seriously, that was speculated for far too long now :P
Here's something that surprised me:
Even Pharasma might be getting a taste for Desna.
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QuidEst wrote:I'm glad you like the look of it - I was rather nervous making a rogue archetype with no sneak attack! Hopefully it attracts a bit of interest (though I'm sure it'll be a rather niche choice). And it should be fully compatible with all emotional foci, backwards and forwards, even those that rely on slam attacks. ^_^Tons of great feats in this one, and a nifty Rogue archetype. EDIT: Looks like Unchained Rogues just lose access to debilitating injury.
** spoiler omitted **
Thanks! Yeah, I was impressed with the level of compatibility, and love the slam solution. (I might see if GMs will allow debilitating injury to apply to the slam attack for UC Rogues, which would make them very strong debuffers.) It’s really cool to see archetypes that play around with what the class is.
Isabelle Lee |
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Chronicler of Worlds is an Int-based Bard! I've been waiting for this for... a long time.
Same here, honestly. And the chronicler of worlds seemed like just the ones to do it.
Gloomblade is awesome! (Not surprising considering who wrote it.) I wonder how well a Gloomblade/Shadowdancer would work.
Aww. *blushes*
Sadly, gloomblade doesn't multiclass very well... as pointed out, your class features aren't advanced by the prestige class. A kind GM might let you do some fun stacking, though.
Aw! Sapphire Oozes seem so sweet!
Bloop. ^_^
Isabelle Lee |
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Planar Adventures, p. 211, Cynosure:The Song of the Spheres is absent from Cynosure more often than not, preferring to wander the cosmos. When present, Desna prefers privately hosting friends or lovers rather than holding court. While Black Butterfly and Pulura are the most common of these, many deities have been known to accept Desna’s invitation, from Sarenrae to Shelyn to Calistria; tales hold that even Pharasma, wearied by her eternal duties, once left her throne for a time to find solace in Desna’s realm (and, some whisper, in Desna’s arms).Even Pharasma might be getting a taste for Desna.
It's going around. ^_^ (And after seeing some of the new art... same. *fans self*)
Note: while I love nothing more than including this sort of thing, this was actually inspired by existing material.
Isabelle Lee |
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Isabelle Lee wrote:Thanks! Yeah, I was impressed with the level of compatibility, and love the slam solution. (I might see if GMs will allow debilitating injury to apply to the slam attack for UC Rogues, which would make them very strong debuffers.) It’s really cool to see archetypes that play around with what the class is.QuidEst wrote:I'm glad you like the look of it - I was rather nervous making a rogue archetype with no sneak attack! Hopefully it attracts a bit of interest (though I'm sure it'll be a rather niche choice). And it should be fully compatible with all emotional foci, backwards and forwards, even those that rely on slam attacks.Tons of great feats in this one, and a nifty Rogue archetype. EDIT: Looks like Unchained Rogues just lose access to debilitating injury.
** spoiler omitted **
If the final version doesn't have a replacement for debilitating injury, that's probably an excellent solution. ^_^
AlgaeNymph |
JiCi wrote:Planar Adventures, p. 211, Cynosure:The Song of the Spheres is absent from Cynosure more often than not, preferring to wander the cosmos. When present, Desna prefers privately hosting friends or lovers rather than holding court. While Black Butterfly and Pulura are the most common of these, many deities have been known to accept Desna’s invitation, from Sarenrae to Shelyn to Calistria; tales hold that even Pharasma, wearied by her eternal duties, once left her throne for a time to find solace in Desna’s realm (and, some whisper, in Desna’s arms).It's going around. ^_^ (And after seeing some of the new art... same. *fans self*)
Note: while I love nothing more than including this sort of thing, this was actually inspired by existing material.
Ruins of Azlant:Somewhere in The Flooded Cathedral (I believe), you can find Azlanti murals celebrating this apocryphal tryst. I'm sure someone can dig up the exact quote, if I don't get around to it once I'm back at my computer. Credit where credit is due, and all that.
If not real life writing the plot.
Dragon78 |
At least they finally named the Vampire sorcerer that is in the "Crypt of the Dying Sun". But I would love to know what the name of "the Forsaken Martyr" found in "the Freehold of the Rogue Angel". I see the Grandfather/Grandmother entity is not longer mention in "The Lost" demi-plane, I wonder if it is still cannon?
Cole Deschain |
Cole Deschain wrote:The deity sections aren't so much long on new information as concisely informative about the general state of a deity's business, which is something I appreciate.We do now have in-canon confirmation that Sarenrae, Shelyn, and Desna are lovers, which is nice to see ^w^
I thought we'd had that since Inner Sea Gods...
JiCi |
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To be fair, not all tales are probably true. Like, Planar Adventures turns the "Groetus eats atheists" into a legend :p
What would be so "legendary" abour Pharasma having an affair with Desna, considering that Desna herself is in a polyamorous relationship :P ?
(Ok, fine, maybe Pharasma wants to keep it to herself, considering her gloominess and seriousness ^^; )
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Still reading through it, but so far this book is rock solid. Some of the Conduit feats could probably have used a bit of buffing, but otherwise it looks pretty good.
Really? I thought they were a bit strong with only one feat and skills required. Not complaining though. May use Heavenly Light on my fave character.
CorvusMask |
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CorvusMask wrote:To be fair, not all tales are probably true. Like, Planar Adventures turns the "Groetus eats atheists" into a legend :pWhat would be so "legendary" abour Pharasma having an affair with Desna, considering that Desna herself is in a polyamorous relationship :P ?
(Ok, fine, maybe Pharasma wants to keep it to herself, considering her gloominess and seriousness ^^; )
Well, I personally prefer idea of Pharasma being inhuman, passionless and professional, so her cuddling with other gods kinda makes her seem more human to me. Considering she is possibly oldest god of the pantheon, that would bring her more down to earth if even she needs stress relief cuddling and love which goes against idea that she would never need vacations :D
So that is why I'm willing to believe that one particular rumor isn't actually true, considering that not ALL god related rumors are true even if some of them are. It really wouldn't fit most of what we know her public front at least due to the whole "She doesn't get involved with other gods, has no allies and enemies besides deities of undeath" thing.
(anyway, yeah, Desna, Sarenrae, Shelyn polyamory was in Inner Sea Gods iirc)
Anyhoo, now that Shelyn and Pharasma got mentioned in same post, I love this quote from the book:
"Most nonevil deities respect and admire Shelyn, and her long philosophical debates with Pharasma are something of a legend among the divine."
Mostly because I can totally see Shelyn having those debates with Pharasma and make guesses what they are about xD
CorvusMask |
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A shame really. To abandon all that work artistry and dedication, only to almost instantly make it obsolete with a new system. Can't buy anything right now as in a few month's time.. it will be old news and a product of the past.
Umm.. 200 pages of the book is pretty much lore, lore can't get mechanically outdated :P
Also, 2e won't even be out for a year and no, playtest doesn't count.
Isabelle Lee |
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A shame really. To abandon all that work artistry and dedication, only to almost instantly make it obsolete with a new system. Can't buy anything right now as in a few month's time.. it will be old news and a product of the past.
Even if things do turn out as gloomy as all that... there's something to be said for going out with a bang. I devoted almost twenty years to learning this system (and two years to writing for it), and I couldn't be more proud of this sendoff. ^_^
Wannabe Demon Lord |
I'm a bit disappointed that the Nirvana Dragon mentioned in the old Great Beyond book seems to not be a thing anymore.
It's still a thing. Mr. Jacobs confirmed that we are indeed going to be receiving four more Planar Dragons in the APs, including the Edict Dragon of Axis, which has already been released. An NG dragon of Nirvana is almost certainly going to be one of them.
Rysky |
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PannicAtack wrote:I'm a bit disappointed that the Nirvana Dragon mentioned in the old Great Beyond book seems to not be a thing anymore.It's still a thing. Mr. Jacobs confirmed that we are indeed going to be receiving four more Planar Dragons in the APs, including the Edict Dragon of Axis, which has already been released. An NG dragon of Nirvana is almost certainly going to be one of them.
This specific Nirvana Dragon is a unique entity, not a grouping of creatures.
The Sideromancer |
JiCi wrote:CorvusMask wrote:To be fair, not all tales are probably true. Like, Planar Adventures turns the "Groetus eats atheists" into a legend :pWhat would be so "legendary" abour Pharasma having an affair with Desna, considering that Desna herself is in a polyamorous relationship :P ?
(Ok, fine, maybe Pharasma wants to keep it to herself, considering her gloominess and seriousness ^^; )
Well, I personally prefer idea of Pharasma being inhuman, passionless and professional, so her cuddling with other gods kinda makes her seem more human to me. Considering she is possibly oldest god of the pantheon, that would bring her more down to earth if even she needs stress relief cuddling and love which goes against idea that she would never need vacations :D
So that is why I'm willing to believe that one particular rumor isn't actually true, considering that not ALL god related rumors are true even if some of them are. It really wouldn't fit most of what we know her public front at least due to the whole "She doesn't get involved with other gods, has no allies and enemies besides deities of undeath" thing.
(anyway, yeah, Desna, Sarenrae, Shelyn polyamory was in Inner Sea Gods iirc)
Anyhoo, now that Shelyn and Pharasma got mentioned in same post, I love this quote from the book:
"Most nonevil deities respect and admire Shelyn, and her long philosophical debates with Pharasma are something of a legend among the divine."
Mostly because I can totally see Shelyn having those debates with Pharasma and make guesses what they are about xD
I mean, my headcanon is that Pharasma is trying to hard to be serious and all-powerful and all that and slips occasionally. I refuse to believe she has functioning future sight when nobody else can even come close, and the judging the undead issue has a clear conflict of interest. Pharasma needs to tone it down from trying to be the single arbiter of the universe, because it's not working well anymore.
CorvusMask |
CorvusMask wrote:I mean, my headcanon is that Pharasma is trying to hard to be serious and all-powerful and all that and slips occasionally. I refuse to believe she has functioning future sight when nobody else can even come close, and the judging the undead issue has a clear conflict of interest. Pharasma needs to tone it down from trying to be the single arbiter of the universe, because it's not working well anymore.JiCi wrote:CorvusMask wrote:To be fair, not all tales are probably true. Like, Planar Adventures turns the "Groetus eats atheists" into a legend :pWhat would be so "legendary" abour Pharasma having an affair with Desna, considering that Desna herself is in a polyamorous relationship :P ?
(Ok, fine, maybe Pharasma wants to keep it to herself, considering her gloominess and seriousness ^^; )
Well, I personally prefer idea of Pharasma being inhuman, passionless and professional, so her cuddling with other gods kinda makes her seem more human to me. Considering she is possibly oldest god of the pantheon, that would bring her more down to earth if even she needs stress relief cuddling and love which goes against idea that she would never need vacations :D
So that is why I'm willing to believe that one particular rumor isn't actually true, considering that not ALL god related rumors are true even if some of them are. It really wouldn't fit most of what we know her public front at least due to the whole "She doesn't get involved with other gods, has no allies and enemies besides deities of undeath" thing.
(anyway, yeah, Desna, Sarenrae, Shelyn polyamory was in Inner Sea Gods iirc)
Anyhoo, now that Shelyn and Pharasma got mentioned in same post, I love this quote from the book:
"Most nonevil deities respect and admire Shelyn, and her long philosophical debates with Pharasma are something of a legend among the divine."
Mostly because I can totally see Shelyn having those debates with Pharasma and make guesses what they are about xD
Eh, I prefer to choose to interpret it as "Pharasma can see all the fates, but because fate can be changed now, she gets headache from all fate changing people do and doesn't bother to get involved because she has no way of telling which fate ends up happening"
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The affairs of the gods are rather irrelevant at the player level when there is zero chance of PCs catching them in flagrante delicto -- and such affairs cannot be deduced readily from their complex interpersonal relationships anyway.
What would be clearer at the player level is that anyone using magic to question gods about their own or anyone else's sexual behavior would, 90+% of the time, get an answer that indicates complete indifference about such questions.
CorvusMask |
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I'm mostly wondering if those two things in Negative Energy Plane is hinting that The Devourer from Starfinder is actually Negative Energy Plane native deity? xD Mostly because void of nothing and god that is portrayed as nothing consuming everything sound kinda matching
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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Isn't old "Nirvana Dragon" kind of retconned considering that old Nirvana Dragon picture got transformed into Apsu's official picture?
The idea of a "Nirvana dragon" is indeed something we abandoned with the switch from 3.5 to Pathfinder. The illustration in the first hardcover was never labeled—the implication was that it was of the Nirvana dragon since it was on the same spread of pages that mentioned it, but it's now officially the true form of Apsu.
There will be, eventually, a planar dragon from Nirvana, but it won't be called a "Nirvana dragon."
That's something we left behind in the switch to Pathfinder, in the same way we left behind the overly complex 3.5 skill point system or the rules for grappling or the like.