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I just redownloaded and am still getting the watermark and email.

Yeah, I’ve got that too in mine. That person may not be thrilled about their email being tied to everyone’s PDFs either.

Still completely unable to download pdfs on Mobile from the new Library.

Give Vivaldi a shot. It worked for me for mobile browsers.

Okay. I can at least see the downloads in my library now. Can’t seem to download them, but may be because I’m on my phone. Will try from tablet or desktop later. The team’s hard work is greatly appreciated.

Edit: Vivaldi browser worked!

You definitely aren’t alone and from the sounds of it, I don’t think you have been. This is the main post on the December thread. The 15-20% figure is from 4.5 hours ago, so maybe we are sitting around 60-70% now, but it could be lower.

Subscriptions kicked off later than we expected and are continuing to process now. As this is the first run under the new system, we're not exactly sure how long it will take to get through the entire subscriber list. It looks like we're about 15-20% done now.

We are also investigating why PDF copies are not being correctly delivered. I'll provide an update as soon as I have one.

[2 p.m. update] We have a potential fix in for the PDFs not releasing upon charge. We will manually grant them when the subscription run finishes for everyone if that fix isn't working. We still have quite a few subscriptions processing.

[4 p.m. update]: We've identified the source of PDFs not being delivered and corrected it. Subscriptions continue to process and we will fulfill missing PDFs when that process is complete, which we expect to be on Tuesday.

-Jim

Jim Butler wrote:

Legacy Paizo Advantage and Legacy Paizo Advantage - Adventure Path subscriber rewards are being carried over into the new store. We'll be sending an email out to those customers once we have migrated their accounts and subscriptions over to the rewards in the new store; it is not an automatic process. Both of those groups are customers that have maintained an active Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription since the launch of Pathfinder.

I thought that the people who have been constant AP suscribers since the first volume are the Charter suscribers and Paizo Legacy Advantage was another program for long-time suscribers, who also were suscribers during the first edition period? Now I am confused.

Agreed, and this feels like this is the source of miscommunication that has been plaguing this changeover. My 2e receipts have always shows the Legacy Paizo Advantage as their discount and I am solidly a subscriber since Hell’s Rebels

From a new email from Paizo

news@paizo.com wrote:

Everyone will receive a 15% discount on Monday’s subscription products. Some Legacy Paizo Advantage - Adventure Path members will see a larger discount on their Adventure Path subscription.

To maintain your Legacy Paizo Advantage discounts in the new store, you had to be an active Adventure Path subscriber on November 16th of this year and be in that legacy program.

I and many people here qualify for that yet it isn't reflected in our orders or subscriptions.

My hadn’t been until this morning, but is now. I think they are having to do it manually from the sounds of things, so hopefully your’s is still in the queue and will be resolved soon.

If the Legacy Advantage discount had to be skipped for this month, no biggee, but I'd really like it to be applied again for the next AP volume, which will be the first quarterly one. Also, still not in the correct tier, I should be Legendary. But I think they are still working on that.

In any case, thanks to CS for all their work!

Yeah, this. It frustrating all around, but I can see through the changes this weekend that CS is busting their butts and it is immensely appreciated!

Zoken44 wrote:

That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I get seasonal uptick in the river's volume, that make sense and was used to help build several river valley civilizations, like the Nile.

tons of civilization were built on regular predictable annual flooding. that should help keep soil renewed and fertile.

Water alone just washes away the top soil.

Unless the water leaves fertile mud, it will actively harm fertility. And that mud has to come from the right conditions upstream.

Also, few buildings and few trees can exist in the flood plain.

On top of all that, the Nile is a supremely bad example to cite as flooding = agricultural productivity since it was almost freakishly predictable and calm. The Yellow River is key to China’s development of agriculture, but it’s floods also earned it the moniker “China’s Sorrow” because of how utterly destructive and vicious it could be. Flooding rivers are not a safe things to live by, people did it out of necessity. The Nile is the exception rather than the rule, as is the River Sphinx on Golarion by extension.

As succinctly as possible - the golem’s got it. Immensely pleased to see it get a proper write up rather than be the OGL’s name for random constructs.

Cyria wrote:

FallenDabus wrote:

Different issue - I got my next subscription order email, but it says Crypt of Runes is shipping, not Into the Apocolypse Archive. I THINK this in error, but it would defintely be a thing to be double checked.

I have the same problem, mailed customer-service and hope it is just an Error.

Everythings else with my subscriptions seems fine.

Yeah, I did the same later in the evening too. Good to know I'm not the only one at least.

Okay, good news is that my order has been corrected. Hopefully everyone else’s has been fixed too.

FallenDabus wrote:

Different issue - I got my next subscription order email, but it says Crypt of Runes is shipping, not Into the Apocolypse Archive. I THINK this in error, but it would defintely be a thing to be double checked.

I have the same problem, mailed customer-service and hope it is just an Error.

Everythings else with my subscriptions seems fine.

Yeah, I did the same later in the evening too. Good to know I'm not the only one at least.

Different issue - I got my next subscription order email, but it says Crypt of Runes is shipping, not Into the Apocolypse Archive. I THINK this in error, but it would defintely be a thing to be double checked.

The Starfinder Adventure Subscription on the new store says "Tales From the Vast." I think that is all we know so far.

O.O

I got my shipping notice.

Downloading!

… holy cow, did my order come first this time? Downloading.

I’m not going to do a full review until I’m done my solo run, but as someone uses Mythic GM Emulator to run games for myself, I want it to be on record that I really appreciate having pregen characters who aren’t the iconic in this boxed set. While I don’t have any complaints about Dawn of Frogs (in fact, I am running it for my students and it is perfect for that), having six unique characters here was definitely means MiMC has some extra value for me. I would definitely like to see more in the future for both gamelines.

Well, now we finally have a little more information about this part of the setting. We have descriptions of Iblydos and the Kardaji Bay. I don't have the books to say anything about it (and I would love to get a quick summary of the new lore), but I understand that the lore development for this region of the world has finally moved forward.

I haven’t had a chance to read either in full, but between the two of them we now have an overview of pretty much everything between Qadira and Vudra.

Originally posted this in the Gatewalkers Remaster product page as a reply one of James' post, but decided to move it over here where it is more appropriate. Link to the post I'm replying to.

We often cut the secondary articles in Adventure Path compilations like this, especially in cases (as with the Findeladlara article) the material isn't directly "load bearing" for the adventure itself. This is one of the many ways we keep costs down for hardcovers (every page we save can translate into a significant cost savings, depending on overall page count), but also to be frank one of the benefits of buying the first run of an Adventure Path too.

This makes perfect sense to me in the context of the Gatewalkers Remaster. One thing I am hoping as I scroll back through this post-Hellbreaker announcement is that new APs still have a good chunk of backmatter in them. The world building that happens in Adventure Paths is one of the most valuable things for me... literally, that is often the value I get since Desna knows I don't run all of them. I know it was meantioned on the announcement stream that backmatter isn't going away... but I do hope new adventure paths error on the side of more backmatter rather than less. There are things I love about Stolen Fates and I know why it didn't get as much backmatter... but it is a bummer to me. And there are times I feel 2e already has less backmatter than 1e APs, but that may just be my perception.

So yeah, I get trimming the backmatter of Gatewalkers in this context. I really appreciate you took the time to explain it. But I really really really want to see that backmatter worldbuilding continue in the quarterly adventure paths!

I pre-ordered with Indigo in Canada and my order was delayed indefinitely.

Any estimate as to when we can expect stock to be ready?

The same thing happened to me with Divine Mysteries. Indigo ended up giving me a gift card of equivelent value, but it took several phone calls to customer service.

I hope that I do not have to wait another 20+ days past the notification that the order is getting ready before I get my things shipped like the past few months.

I might just decide to be done with being a subscriber and supporting Paizo at the point.

Is this a discussion that needs to be in multiple product threads? If you are that frustrated, make a thread about shipping or write an email to customer service rather than gumming up a thread for product discussion.

Rook & Dagger wrote:

Oh man, the things I would do to have this in a pocket edition.

We don't have plans for this right now, but it's good to know it's something you all want!

I would absolutely love a pocket edition of the Lost Omens line!

Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess!!!

and a deity without followers is a dead one :O

Nope. That's a D&Dism as well. I can't point you to an exact quote at the moment, but James Jacobs has corrected it multiple times in the Ask thread.

EDIT: And here's the link

Huh... apparently, Lost Omens: Draconic Codex was leaked by a Barnes & Nobles page...

Good lord, every time I swear I'm going to cut back on my physical products, Paizo releases another book I must get in hardcover. Neither my wallet nor my shelves can take it anymore! TT_TT

Anyhow, the Draconomicon is one of the last 3.5 books I still have in hardback, so absolutely this is a must buy.

Paypal and single click pause/cancel on subscriptions! Both very needed QoL improvements, thank you!

Dope!

At the very least we need a timeline with ALL products on it. Figuring out the temporal sequence of one line of products is fairly easy, but figuring out how ALL the lines fit together is practically impossible at this point without constantly begging strangers to help you. Just the other day I found a thread that listed the Korvosa content in order, and I didn’t even know there was an order to it. And that’s just ONE city on one continent!

Well, I only saw this topic because I was updating my own, but I have been working on a visual timeline of Golarion for a good chunk of years now. It hasn't been consistent work and I am one person, so its in even less a complete state than the wiki, but I'm trying to pick away at it.

You can find it over here.

Me to me: "Okay, it has been a long time since I made that forum post, but its not that ba..."

*Looks at dates*
*Oh right, that was pre-pandemic*

Siiiigggghhhhh, okay, it has been way too long. Long enough in fact that I'm now using Aeon Timeline 3 instead of 2. Anyhow, trying to get more systematic (and consistent) with updating this because there has been A LOT of new dates thrown at us in the last 6 years. I am nowhere near getting them all in, let alone all of the 1e dates, but I have a system and have chunk of things like Tian Xia's dates in the newest file already.

And randomly, I have all of Lost Kingdoms in there because I just finished rereading it. Here's the link to its visual timeline.

Edit: And since I know not everyone will have access to Aeon Timeline, I've made a PDF of everything currently in my timeline, divided by geographic regions. It is in the main folder linked above, but you can also find it here.

I'll third it! It would be very helpful for staying up to date!

Holy cow, the number of little details jam packed in the Ancestry NPC section! This is an absolutely treasure trove and those worried it would just be human NPCs should be reassured: not only are there ancestry specific NPCs, there is a massive amount of worldbuilding in this book too.

Gazetteer? Building your own cultus? By the Gods yes!!!!

I expected Planar shenanigans in this adveture. I did not expect the planar shenanigans that stood out to me on first skim and the NPC written up in the back they are linked to. Bravo!

Getting some info on the state of Mendev and Sarkonis just makes this book even more hype!

FallenDabus wrote:

Hmmmm, if we get the Golden Road next, then all of the Southern Inner Sea regions are covered. That would be dope.

Still missing the High Seas (which includes chunks of Garund).

I would not complain about that either!

Hmmmm, if we get the Golden Road next, then all of the Southern Inner Sea regions are covered. That would be dope.

It is not a satisfying answer, but I think it is probably best to not have static rules-based answers about how people in world generally understand magic, because that creates a lot of narrative restrictions that have to be consistently followed in many different contexts.

THIS. The game engine is not the in-universe physics engine that Golarian runs on. It is a useful starting point (gods know I've written a lot using mechanics as starting points), but adhering too closely to mechanics as simulation robs you of narratives.

FallenDabus wrote:

Squark wrote:

KingTreyIII wrote:

Kerkamoth, Otomens, and Valmallos are not reprinted here. Valmallos I kinda get, since he's an inevitable and those...kinda aren't a thing anymore. The other two are weird, though.

The gods Thremyr and Vavaalrav list their Divine Skill as Religion, which...doesn't really make sense. Most of the time that a deity's Divine Skill is granted to a creature they already are trained in Religion (see clerics and champions). They are literally the only two deities that have Religion as a Divine Skill.

Those three are all inevitables, which is why they were quietly phased out (Or in Otolmens's case, omitted from the in memoriam section).

The skills seem like an oversight that needs addressing. While you can get a deity's divine skill via Raised by Belief too, that's still just awkward for clerics and champions.

Edit:Themyr's divine skill is athletics in Divine Mysteries, actually, so that's just an error. They did give Vavaalrav Religion, so that's "correct" at least.

Clerics and Champions aren't the only ones who can take the background though, so it's not really an issue? They just choose a different skill like any other background.

Raised by Belief isn't the issue. A Cleric/champion receives training in Religion and their deity's skill... Which for Vavaalrav is also religion. This probably still falls under the category of a class making you trained in a skill you're already trained in (Instead pick another skill of your choice), but it's a weird case and as far as I can tell unprecedented. Giving Vavaalrav's followers Society (learning about funeral traditions and keeping the memory of those who have died) or crafting (building mausoleums and other graveyard edifices) would make things easier.

Eh, right. Fair point, although pick a different skill does resolve it easily.

KingTreyIII wrote:

Kerkamoth, Otomens, and Valmallos are not reprinted here. Valmallos I kinda get, since he's an inevitable and those...kinda aren't a thing anymore. The other two are weird, though.

The gods Thremyr and Vavaalrav list their Divine Skill as Religion, which...doesn't really make sense. Most of the time that a deity's Divine Skill is granted to a creature they already are trained in Religion (see clerics and champions). They are literally the only two deities that have Religion as a Divine Skill.

Those three are all inevitables, which is why they were quietly phased out (Or in Otolmens's case, omitted from the in memoriam section).

The skills seem like an oversight that needs addressing. While you can get a deity's divine skill via Raised by Belief, that's still just awkward for clerics and champions.

Edit:Themyr's divine skill is athletics in Divine Mysteries, actually, so that's just an error. They did give Vavaalrav Religion, so that's "correct" at least.

Clerics and Champions aren't the only ones who can take the background though, so it's not really an issue? They just choose a different skill like any other background.

Clearly the warehouse is working hard to get everything shipped before the Christmas rush. Got my shipping notice today.

Ritunn wrote:

It's nice to see Set get the option for Holy and Unholy and some much kinder anathema. I know one of my players was quite sad to see the deity all evil, but it seems he got a more neutral take on his character now!

Him and Sobek. I was surprised they could have have holy priests

To be fair, Sobek was CN in 1e. And ooooo, I hadn't noticed those changes to Set. I like that much better than what we had before!

So I know I did this when Gods and Mysteries came out, but I'm doing it again... I really, really want a book that gives everyone in the Other Gods section (and all the new dieties in the Lost Omens books) the full 4-page spread the Core 20 got. Or at least book that does that for the dieties who weren't in Inner Sea Faiths and Faiths of Golarion. While things like realms and divine allies won't play a role in every game, they are very useful and they play a roll in a lot of my games :)

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:

Or maybe we now get to see the more noble side of Set, being forced to take the mantle of leadership in a way he never expected and reckon with the new responsibility!

While I'm the last person in the world to be objective about that, and have enjoyed Set-the-villain in the first Conan movie, Marvel comics, Vampire the Masquerade or Judges Guild's Dark Tower adventure, (way, way) back in the day, I would also be intrigued by the idea of Set, the spear-carrying god who stood on the prow of Ra's sun barque and fought off Apep, Who Would Devour the Dawn, every single day, and was, for a time, a maat-observing god of warriors and storms, not just 'Set, who killed his brother. Twice.'

Seeing a version of Isis who seduced Thoth to learn the secrets of necromancy, created a path across Duat, between the worlds of the living and the death to bring her brother-husband back to life, and in so doing, released the curse of undeath upon the mortal world, would just be icing on the cake. :)

Not to plug an entirely different game on Paizo's forums, but this is exactly the type of thing Scion 2e is out there to explore. But yes, a more 3D protrayal of Set would be greatly welcomed.

FallenDabus wrote:

Any meantion of where the dieties' divine realms are on the planes? Especially for those that didn't get a description in 1e?

Each of the core 20 get a sidebar on their realms in their four-page layouts and while I have not read all of the other god’s entries, it appears that they get a brief mention about their realms or demiplanes in each of their one-page entries.

Okay, that's something. Out of curiosity, where did Arazni's realm end up?

Any meantion of where the dieties' divine realms are on the planes? Especially for those that didn't get a description in 1e?

Available now!? I had marked my calendar for November 5th!

Still is on Amazon (which is not a complaint). That said, any word on when the audiobook version will be avaliable?

LiaElf76 wrote:

ShinHakkaider wrote:

There were MANY times where I walked into my "local" gaming store (The Compleat Strategist in nYC) and saw that they had a book on the shelves and I was STILL waiting for mine to show up in my mailbox.

That sounds like your local game shop was breaking the street dates for merchandise they received. I’m assuming that Paizo has street dates for its books like any other publisher. That’s not really something to get upset with Paizo about.

Not this person but I'd easily believe it. Shipping is preeeeeetty slow, on average I get the physical books 1-1.5 weeks (one time, it was 2) after the street date, so local shops would already have it. I don't personally mind it because books end up being just shelf decoration, but if I wanted the physical book, going to the local store is more cost effective since you get to save up on the shipping fees (In fact, given that it feels really wasteful to be subscribed just to get the PDF early, I'm likely to stop subscribing, and just buy every PDF, and then choice buy books from my local shops if I really like a particular book for any reason)

Yeah, it’s a thing that is regular if you aren’t in the US. Heck, new products drop tomorrow and my subs still haven’t shipped, so there’s at least a decent chance I won’t have the PDFs when things go on sale.

It’s not world ending for me, but it can be an irritant and I see how other may get reasonably upset by it.

I appreciate your clarification, but I feel parts of that aren't really directly applicable? Real life Set might've been all that, sure, but here we're dealing with Pathfinder Set, and I'm not sure if we can apply much of the real life stuff to it. Maybe. It's weird with Earth existing in the world as well. And also because he's pretty undeveloped, likely because... Real mythology exists. But I digress. In Pathfinder, Set is the lord of the dark desert, and he's really into murder and the undead. Doesn't necessarily match with the real myths.

If that's the conclusion we come to, its one more case of cultural appropriation of a non-European mythological and religious tradition by a Western game - one that doesn't have many modern worshipers, but does have an active worship in neopagan communites. See also the implicit Orientalism that was already meantioned.

Thanks, but no thanks.

pauljathome wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Sekhmet ;_;

Yup. One of my favourite PFS characters is an awakened leopard ClawDancer who used to be a temple guardian for Sekhmet. Great character (mechanically and for flavour).

At least mechanically she gets no powers from Sekhmet so won't be affected by any changes PFS makes wrt dead Gods. But she'll be quite peeved if her beloved patron is no more.

If you're looking for some Golarion-specific equivalents: Adanye is a cat goddess who is a guardian of the home, while the three Old Sun Gods of Mzali (Chohar, Luhar, and Tlehar) are all solar lion deities; Tlehar in particular is a passionate lioness, which matches Sekhmet pretty well.

And that's really it for me - you can put sun-themed cat goddesses in your Fantasy Africa without it literally just being Bast and Sekhmet.

Oooooooo - the Mzali trinity in Osirion would be rad! Gimme, gimme, gimme!

Are we to believe that Set and Horus or others buddied up? Doesn't make much sense.

Um... yes? Set was one of Re's most ardent defenders against Apep? There is obviously the longstanding rivalry with Horus and the murder of Osiris, but he was still depicted as a leader and an extremely important God within Kemetic myth.

Perennial reminder that Seti I and II were both named after Set still conceived of as being divine manifestations of Horus on earth. This is one of the reasons I'm with keftiu - Kemetic mythology and culture is vastly more nuanced than what fantasy RPGs tend to portray and it really needs an RPG dedicated to IRL mythology to do it justice (games like Scion spring to mind). Set is vastly more than a one note evil deity and bluntly, the way Pathfinder has portrayed him bothers me more and more as time goes on.