Save the Date – Pathfinder Playtest Stream Aug 31!

Friday, August 25, 2023

Hello Pathfinders! As we announced during our Gen Con Keynote Presentation, we have a playtest of two new classes starting September 1! These classes are entirely new – not concepts brought forward from First Edition into Second Edition—and we can’t wait to share them with you!

To kickstart the playtest, we’re having a Paizo Special Livestream on Thursday, August 31 at 4 p.m. pacific daylight time (PDT). Join Design Manager Michael Sayre and Senior Designer James Case as they give an overview of the new classes and introduce the Iconics that represent them.

A green sketch closeup of an upcoming iconic's shoulder A green sketch closeup of an upcoming iconic's hand and sleeve

Tune in on the twitch.tv/officialpaizo to see the new iconics!


The Pathfinder Playtest launches on September 1. Check back here then for a blog with more details about the classes and how to participate!

See you on twitch.tv/officialpaizo!

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exequiel759 wrote:
Sy Kerraduess wrote:
2e oracle is explicitly not powered by a god
No? You literally put a curse on yourself so you can steal divine power without deities noticing it.

We are not in disagreement here. My point was that 2e Oracle isn't the result of a god choosing someone (unlike 1e Oracle where that was entirely possible), so a class that is a normal person elevated by a god's intervention wouldn't be redundant with it.

exequiel759 wrote:
I also find the concept of deities having thousands upon thousands of "champions" (not the class) is kinda weird when usually in fantasy deities tend to have a single champion, which also usually happens to be a 20th level character (another reason why I find the "demigod" theory to not be appropiate).

The idea here would be that there are only a few handful in the world, hence the rare tag. I do agree a level 1 "ultimate champion of a deity" could be weird though.

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exequiel759 wrote:
Sy Kerraduess wrote:
2e oracle is explicitly not powered by a god
No? You literally put a curse on yourself so you can steal divine power without deities noticing it.

Not quite:

Oracle Flavour Text wrote:
Your conduit to divine power eschews the traditional channels of prayer and servitude—you instead glean divine truths that extend beyond any single deity. You understand the great mysteries of the universe embodied in overarching concepts that transcend good and evil or chaos and law, whether because you perceive the common ground across multiple deities or circumvent their power entirely. You explore one of these mysteries and draw upon its power to cast miraculous spells, but that power comes with a terrible price: a curse that grows stronger the more you draw upon it. Your abilities are a double-edged sword, which you might uphold as an instrument of the divine or view as a curse from the gods.

It explicitly will often come from multiple deities, or from no deities. Either way, you're not empowered by a singular god in many contexts, you don't necessarily steal anything (it doesn't even have to be a voluntary choice you made), and you don't necessarily curse yourself (it doesn't even have to be a voluntary choice you made).


Exalted is already a Prestige Class and were archetypes for Cleric that dealt with it. So that breaks the "never seen in Golarion" clue.

Same is true for Sentinel which was the martial version of that.


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Zaister wrote:
I don't think Paizo will have a rulebook featuring a class whose existence is wholly dependent on some events from the Golarion campaign setting. The class would make no sense in other settings.

Everything in PF2 assumes Golarion specifically. They trust you to make the adaptations to PF2 stuff for the setting you want to use it in. Like if you're using the PF2 rules for a setting that doesn't have halflings or hellknights, you simply do not allow hellknights or halflings. If you like the Kineticist class but your setting doesn't have planes of wood or metal, then you just don't allow those elements. If you like the idea of the Magaambya as a nature-focused do-gooder magic school, but you want to drop the mask stuff for your setting this is easy enough for a GM to handle.

It's easier for a homebrew setting GM to remove, disallow, or change things from Golarion lore than for Paizo to write things with a blank setting in mind, IMO. Like if a new class requires a god to die, and I like it, then I can figure out which god I should kill off from the list of gods I want to kill off in my homebrew setting.


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I'm throwing my name it the hat for something that gives more mechanical use to philosophies and other non-theist faiths. Given the emphasis on divinity, I doubt it. Maybe the remaster will improve this outright. But that's just my personal want for the future. I get that something like Sangpotshi and the Whispering Way don't have divine backing. But its odd to me that they wouldn't develop or utilize secret spells or similiar abilities that a Cleric gains through deific worship. I'd call it Disciple or something. Theoretically could create things like an Animist, Spiritualist, Shaman, Godcaller, etc. via interaction with the various faiths & philosophies already present in-game. This may go against the whole "not in PF1" bit; so I'd wager it is unlikely.

My other want is a Commander Class, whose emphasis is on battlefield control and buffing/nerfing ally and enemy alike. Maybe make them slightly squisher to other martial, just to introduce a sort of "protect the king" style of gameplay. Don't know how they could make this different from say Marshal. But yea.

These are my hopes, as opposed to guesses.

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My hopes are/were Fateweaver (dealing in Fortune and Misfortune and twisting them) and Commander.

My guesses are Hero-god (which also has me pretty excited) and Animist (would be interesting to see).

AFAIK the new Inquisitor will not anytime come soon, but I would enjoy having the Divine 007 one day.


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The Raven Black wrote:
AFAIK the new Inquisitor will not anytime come soon, but I would enjoy having the Divine 007 one day.

I think the best spot for the Inquisitor is to become the third Cleric doctrine.

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Okay, just throwing this out to the ether....

Highlander.

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Keirine, Human Rogue wrote:

Okay, just throwing this out to the ether....

Highlander.

Don't lose your head.

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Just realized it will start at 1am in France.

I will have hours of new posts to read when I get to check the boards on Friday before I can even comment.

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Keirine, Human Rogue wrote:

Okay, just throwing this out to the ether....

Highlander.

This is the best guess

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The Raven Black wrote:

Just realized it will start at 1am in France.

I will have hours of new posts to read when I get to check the boards on Friday before I can even comment.

Midnight in the UK, but otherwise, same.


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1st picture is obviously a luchador, and the 2nd picture is they're manager/hype-person.

Paizo Employee Design Manager

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Je'Daii Ranger wrote:
1st picture is obviously a luchador, and the 2nd picture is they're manager/hype-person.

Lu-cha-dor, ma-na-ger.... Got us. Now we're gonna have to write two entirely different playtest classes before 4pm Thursday, dang it.


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Okay. Random spark of divine inspiration. Slightly off topic, so I'll spoil it. Buuuuut:

The Godling:
What if this theoretical Demigod idea was done similarly to how Roll For Combat handled with their Dungeon and Outworldler Ancestries (Psuedo-Ancestry really for the latter, I feel). If you aren't aware, these options came from their Year of Momsters/April Fool's updates. In short, your Ancestry is maybe called Godling, a creature with a spark of divinity granted by a plethora of reasons. Child/ancestor of Deity, stolen/granted power, etc. Whatever the reason. From there, similiar to Dungeon and Outworlder, you physically play as any another Ancestry, with GM restriction. Dungeons grant an Avatar, while Otherworlders are simply people from other worlds, dimension, realities that are usually Human, but can be whatever Ancestry via narratives likes reincarnation, summoning, or its simply who you were prior (heavy isekei inspiration). From there, your granted access to special Backgrounds (which are technically optional) that determine special abilities you can get down the line. Outworlders get these, which sets their narrative of how they got there, as well as certain abilities later. These abilities come in the form of what I'll call Aspects. These Aspects world similarly to how Outworlder Cheats work, special abilities granted various abilities based around a tiered system, which determines how powerful or disruptive to gameplay they are. So, let's say you have things like Birthright, Hero-God, Usurper, Favored, etc; each setting your narrative of how you came to be and also granting you some low-tiered abilities off the bat. But, rather than just gaining later abilities outright, they are granted by the GM after you've undertaken something I'll call Labours. Dungeon PCs have the ability to enter their own interdimension dungeon space with their allies in an effort to complete the various floors within. When they complete these floors, they and the party can gain various rewards in the form of things like items, relic progression, or abilities/archetypes. So, with every Labour a Godling performs, determined by the GM, they gain a new Aspect, either determined by the GM or picked by the PC. These Aspects could be general to everyone, as well as based on your particular Background or even Class. One could even power them up to a higher tier later, if allowed or wanted. Highly complex, but it seems super fun. You retain your ability to choose an Ancestry, Background, or Class, while gaining divine might along the way in a way that is progressive and rewarding. Obviously Rare.

Thank you for coming to my God Talk.


Ly'ualdre wrote:

Okay. Random spark of divine inspiration. Slightly off topic, so I'll spoil it. Buuuuut:

** spoiler omitted **...

Godling only has two syllables and 2 vowels. The classes will have 3 syllables and 3 vowels.

Also Godlings are already a thing in Golarions. Nivi Rhombodazzle is a godling, who found out after trading a gem with Torag.

For that matter the ways to get mythic are: Artifact, Fated, Godling, Granted, and Passed On.


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First pic is a dwarf. Nip Nippleson. Demigod-at-law.


Michael Sayre wrote:
Je'Daii Ranger wrote:
1st picture is obviously a luchador, and the 2nd picture is they're manager/hype-person.
Lu-cha-dor, ma-na-ger.... Got us. Now we're gonna have to write two entirely different playtest classes before 4pm Thursday, dang it.

I think you're in the clear, since Spanish is a gendered language thus properly you should be able to play a Luchadora which is too many syllables.


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Temperans wrote:
Ly'ualdre wrote:

Okay. Random spark of divine inspiration. Slightly off topic, so I'll spoil it. Buuuuut:

** spoiler omitted **...

Godling only has two syllables and 2 vowels. The classes will have 3 syllables and 3 vowels.

Also Godlings are already a thing in Golarions. Nivi Rhombodazzle is a godling, who found out after trading a gem with Torag.

For that matter the ways to get mythic are: Artifact, Fated, Godling, Granted, and Passed On.

Wasn't an idea for the Classes. Was just spitballing something that came to mind as an alternative to Demigod as a Class. So one could possibly be a Godling Anadi "Fateweaver" (to cite the Raven Black) who was Granted their status from Nana Anadi. Or a Godling Nephilim/Tiefling Goblin "Commander" who Usurped their might from Deskari when they dealt the killing blow to him.

Or, to be absolutely crazy, a Godling Outworlder Dungeon Dragon Scion Leshy "Nipplemancer" who inherited their abilities on account of their glourious nipples, when they died and was reincarnated to a magical land.

Do... do Leshy have nipples? Would they gain them? So many questions.


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Ly'ualdre wrote:
Temperans wrote:
Ly'ualdre wrote:

Okay. Random spark of divine inspiration. Slightly off topic, so I'll spoil it. Buuuuut:

** spoiler omitted **...

Godling only has two syllables and 2 vowels. The classes will have 3 syllables and 3 vowels.

Also Godlings are already a thing in Golarions. Nivi Rhombodazzle is a godling, who found out after trading a gem with Torag.

For that matter the ways to get mythic are: Artifact, Fated, Godling, Granted, and Passed On.

Wasn't an idea for the Classes. Was just spitballing something that came to mind as an alternative to Demigod as a Class. So one could possibly be a Godling Anadi "Fateweaver" (to cite the Raven Black) who was Granted their status from Nana Anadi. Or a Godling Nephilim/Tiefling Goblin "Commander" who Usurped their might from Deskari when they dealt the killing blow to him.

Or, to be absolutely crazy, a Godling Outworlder Dungeon Dragon Scion Leshy "Nipplemancer" who inherited their abilities on account of their glourious nipples, when they died and was reincarnated to a magical land.

Do... do Leshy have nipples? Would they gain them? So many questions.

Ahh okay.

Well you could make some of those, they just would not be "godlings". Godlings are specifically the offsprings of gods (think hercules). They however could be mythic characters without needing to be a "godling".

Getting granted mythic is a tried and true method. Getting it from killing another mythic character is more difficult but not impossible with the right mythic (reminder you can still be level 1 and mythic 1).

The last one is interesting cause you can be an otherworlder with ease, plenty of planar/planetary rifts. Playing as a dungeon is possible thanks to 3rd party material. Dragon Scion could be a "Dragonheir Scion" thus you are now a Fighter with Dragon Bloodline, which would also give you plenty of opportunity for "Commander" abilities. Finally if you are playing a Dungeon why not allow a second ancestry to determine the motif (in this case a plant dungeon).

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I'll stop it there cause its getting off topic for this thread.


Temperans wrote:
Playing as a dungeon is possible

I feel like there's a meaning of the word dungeon I am completely unaware of here. Either that or my next character will be Gallowspire.

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Sy Kerraduess wrote:
Temperans wrote:
Playing as a dungeon is possible
I feel like there's a meaning of the word dungeon I am completely unaware of here. Either that or my next character will be Gallowspire.

Roll for Combat has a Dungeon ancestry available. You are the humanoid avatar of an extradimensional dungeon of various types for the heritagess.


Aah that explains it, thanks!


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I am completely excited for this play test and the classes to come. I asked my players if they're interested in being a part of the play test and they ARE! (for work related reasons we're losing one of our players for roughly 2 months (September and October) and so it's been agreed that's when we'll be diving into the play test).

I'll have 3 players (plus myself) but at times I may only have 2 players (one of the remaining players works retail, so his schedule is tough to predict).

I'm really hoping to have some good game play feedback to give. I've never been able to participate in a Paizo playtest before, so I am very excited to have a chance with 2nd edition.

Dean; The_Minstrel_Wyrm


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Same here. I started a campaign at 1st level with a previous player and someone new to PF2. I hope to use to new classes in this one and actually participate in a play test for once.
Can't wait to see what they are


I'm surprised no-one has thought of one simple in universe name choice for a demi-god type class...

Aspirant. You are someone aspiring to take the starstone challenge by accruing personal legends and followers to boost some latent divine/profane energy.

Now whilst James did say it contains 3 vowels, he never specified them as all different ;)

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MrJiNx-X_x wrote:

I'm surprised no-one has thought of one simple in universe name choice for a demi-god type class...

Aspirant. You are someone aspiring to take the starstone challenge by accruing personal legends and followers to boost some latent divine/profane energy.

Now whilst James did say it contains 3 vowels, he never specified them as all different ;)

Applied_People wrote:

Did the iconic on the right have a 6th finger? Or maybe what I'm taking to be a pinky finger is a part of their attire. Which would make the missing finger a ring finger.

Anyway, I like Animist as a good possibility for the iconic on the right.

Other options for the character on the left could be (along with the already mentioned Demigod) Aspirant or Ascendant. Kill a god, birth a god. It has a nice symmetry to it.

Dark Archive

Hyped for the class reveals tomorrow! Really curious as to who all was closest to the mark, or if we're all going to be thrown for a loop entirely!

Moreover, since these are "entirely new" concepts for Pathfinder, I'm VERY interested to get into the nitty gritty of mechanics and see what really sets them apart from current and older ideas, and the wild departure from normal design that the Kineticist took has me eager to see if these too will present really fresh, new, and interesting ways to engage with the game =3

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LoreMonger13 wrote:

Hyped for the class reveals tomorrow! Really curious as to who all was closest to the mark, or if we're all going to be thrown for a loop entirely!

Moreover, since these are "entirely new" concepts for Pathfinder, I'm VERY interested to get into the nitty gritty of mechanics and see what really sets them apart from current and older ideas, and the wild departure from normal design that the Kineticist took has me eager to see if these too will present really fresh, new, and interesting ways to engage with the game =3

It has been revealed that both classes' names have been found.

Dark Archive

The Raven Black wrote:
LoreMonger13 wrote:

Hyped for the class reveals tomorrow! Really curious as to who all was closest to the mark, or if we're all going to be thrown for a loop entirely!

Moreover, since these are "entirely new" concepts for Pathfinder, I'm VERY interested to get into the nitty gritty of mechanics and see what really sets them apart from current and older ideas, and the wild departure from normal design that the Kineticist took has me eager to see if these too will present really fresh, new, and interesting ways to engage with the game =3

It has been revealed that both classes' names have been found.

Neat! Good going, Forumite Clerics xD


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The Raven Black wrote:
It has been revealed that both classes' names have been found.

If I was inclined to obfuscate here, I would observe that both class names exist in at least one dictionary, so the people who wrote the dictionary found them.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
It has been revealed that both classes' names have been found.
If I was inclined to obfuscate here, I would observe that both class names exist in at least one dictionary, so the people who wrote the dictionary found them.

A fantasy class name that was found in the dictionary? That might actually narrow it down, some...


Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
It has been revealed that both classes' names have been found.
If I was inclined to obfuscate here, I would observe that both class names exist in at least one dictionary, so the people who wrote the dictionary found them.
A fantasy class name that was found in the dictionary? That might actually narrow it down, some...

Nipple and lord are in the dictionary, looks like we have a winner ladies and gentlemen.

Calpal wrote:
Calpal wrote:
Looking forward to the Nipplemancer being released soon.
Sorry, "Nipple Lord". Forgot the naming convention.


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Oh, 4:00 PM! Better go back to sleep.

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Hoping today's shift at work is decently active, that way it won't drag and make the wait for the class reveals even longer >.>

But I AM happy that I'll be home a little before the stream starts, so I can chill and take it all in as it happens ^_^

Grand Lodge

I am assuming 4pm PDT, so 7pm EDT for me.
*sigh* It's gonna be a looong day.

Verdant Wheel

6 more hours?


Aristophanes wrote:

I am assuming 4pm PDT, so 7pm EDT for me.

*sigh* It's gonna be a looong day.

Yeah, "4 p.m. pacific daylight time (PDT)". Seems an odd time, but ok.


graystone wrote:
Yeah, "4 p.m. pacific daylight time (PDT)". Seems an odd time, but ok.

If your primary audience is in the US, then that maximizes the 'not working/not sleeping' availability across the most populous US time zones.

4 pm Pacific
5 pm Mountain
6 pm Central
7 pm Eastern

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It's also still during business hours for the Paizo team, which means they don't have to make schedule changes or pay overtime just to do this.


Dancing Wind wrote:
graystone wrote:
Yeah, "4 p.m. pacific daylight time (PDT)". Seems an odd time, but ok.

If your primary audience is in the US, then that maximizes the 'not working/not sleeping' availability across the most populous US time zones.

4 pm Pacific
5 pm Mountain
6 pm Central
7 pm Eastern

If there was some importance that the max amount of people see it at the same time, sure... I'd think a staggered set of downloads would work better, so everyone isn't trying to download at the same time: so making it, say 12AM Pacific, means that people that have aren't working during the day start downloading it then and then you have people getting off work in Eastern generally before other zones [and so on] so it naturally staggers the downloads. This also gives time during working hours to fix any issues that might come up before the bulk of people try to access it.

Cori Marie wrote:
It's also still during business hours for the Paizo team, which means they don't have to make schedule changes or pay overtime just to do this.

I don't understand, how is doing it earlier a problem? I assumed it would be done during business hours: I don't think anyone was expecting them to send it out at midnight or something like that. I know I wasn't suggesting they put in extra time for it.


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graystone wrote:
Dancing Wind wrote:
graystone wrote:
Yeah, "4 p.m. pacific daylight time (PDT)". Seems an odd time, but ok.

If your primary audience is in the US, then that maximizes the 'not working/not sleeping' availability across the most populous US time zones.

4 pm Pacific
5 pm Mountain
6 pm Central
7 pm Eastern

If there was some importance that the max amount of people see it at the same time, sure... I'd think a staggered set of downloads would work better, so everyone isn't trying to download at the same time: so making it, say 12AM Pacific, means that people that have aren't working during the day start downloading it then and then you have people getting off work in Eastern generally before other zones [and so on] so it naturally staggers the downloads. This also gives time during working hours to fix any issues that might come up before the bulk of people try to access it.

Cori Marie wrote:
It's also still during business hours for the Paizo team, which means they don't have to make schedule changes or pay overtime just to do this.
I don't understand, how is doing it earlier a problem? I assumed it would be done during business hours: I don't think anyone was expecting them to send it out at midnight or something like that. I know I wasn't suggesting they put in extra time for it.

This blog post talks about how today their will be a stream revealing the classes that is what is being discussed. The playtest and the documents relevant to it will be coming tomorrow.

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When you set up a meeting that might last longer than you expect, you either put it right before lunch time or at the end of the workday.

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graystone wrote:
Dancing Wind wrote:
graystone wrote:
Yeah, "4 p.m. pacific daylight time (PDT)". Seems an odd time, but ok.

If your primary audience is in the US, then that maximizes the 'not working/not sleeping' availability across the most populous US time zones.

4 pm Pacific
5 pm Mountain
6 pm Central
7 pm Eastern

If there was some importance that the max amount of people see it at the same time, sure... I'd think a staggered set of downloads would work better, so everyone isn't trying to download at the same time: so making it, say 12AM Pacific, means that people that have aren't working during the day start downloading it then and then you have people getting off work in Eastern generally before other zones [and so on] so it naturally staggers the downloads. This also gives time during working hours to fix any issues that might come up before the bulk of people try to access it.

Cori Marie wrote:
It's also still during business hours for the Paizo team, which means they don't have to make schedule changes or pay overtime just to do this.
I don't understand, how is doing it earlier a problem? I assumed it would be done during business hours: I don't think anyone was expecting them to send it out at midnight or something like that. I know I wasn't suggesting they put in extra time for it.

The keyword here is "live stream" unless you want them live streaming it at midnight their time, they're going to do it during business hours.

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From Paizo's IG, we have another piecemeal teaser of one of the iconics (with another few to follow at the top of every hour, I'm wagering a guess).

The Animist theory is looking increasingly solid, I'd say!


Cori Marie wrote:
The keyword here is "live stream"

Ok, that was the missing piece as I was thinking today was the pdf drop, not the stream. The timing makes sense for that.


RiverMesa wrote:

From Paizo's IG, we have another piecemeal teaser of one of the iconics (with another few to follow at the top of every hour, I'm wagering a guess).

The Animist theory is looking increasingly solid, I'd say!

Yeah, looks like a Shaman Animist to me


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The truth has been revealed : The class is rare because hair that good only comes around once every century.

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Only one pic left on IG to make a complete look at both!
I definitely think Animist is in the bag =3
Less than 30 minutes for the stream, HYYYPPEE!! =D

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Where's the stream at?

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