I'm so excited to see the Aldori stuff.
What is some of the stuff they get that hasn't been listed yet? Is the Aldori fighter archetype new or the old one from the Inner Sea Primer?
What does the Armiger do?
I'm so excited to see the Aldori stuff.What is some of the stuff they get that hasn't been listed yet? Is the Aldori fighter archetype new or the old one from the Inner Sea Primer?
It looks to be the same.
I don't think anybody mentioned it yet, but Opportune Parry is now a Bard/Magus spell.
Are there many hellknigjt feats to take?
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Are there many hellknigjt feats to take?
They're from the Path of the Hellknight campaign setting book.
Pretty interesting feats
Is this book's contents OGL? Isn't that how the Pathfinder RPG Line works?
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So much for not advancing the time line.
Shame on Paizo for assuming APs like Hell's Rebels has happened.
It's one thing to take an AP that's been out for 7-10 years, but one that came out barely a year ago.
Wizards Of The Coast pulled that crap and it didn't work for them, so what makes you so special.
Shameful.
Not to this extent or not with so many adventure paths and NEVER with one that was JUST released.
Call it hyperbole if you want, it's how I feel.
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Will any if these become factions in PFS?
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Can I have your stuff?Not to this extent or not with so many adventure paths and NEVER with one that was JUST released.
Call it hyperbole if you want, it's how I feel.
Only if I can have your stuff.
No freebies, just tradesies. :-)
Tell you what, since your stove is most likely in better shape, I'll throw in a cow, and... we'll say six aliases. But, only cause I like you. :-)
While I obviously don't agree, it's not an entirely unreasonable reaction. I don't know if I'd say that "shame" is justified, but I can understand concerns about spoilers or unusable content.
A little strong I grant you that.
My vocabulary is more visceral before my third cup of coffee. :-)
I will try to edit it so it's not as hyperbolic and dramatic. :-)
Edit: dang it! Well I flagged it at least, I'll try again. Without the dramatics. :-)
I believe the Silver Ravens organization existed long before the Hell's Rebels AP...
But I guess this book's description of the Silver Ravens includes descriptions of events that happen during that AP?
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Yeah more I think about it more I feel silver ravens were a poor choice for the book mostly due to the way pc's will run the group and what they will decide to do with it after the ap.
Dont mind it for other Ap related groups since there mostly dm/story side of things so fairly natural for them to fall into the roles post ap that are presented in this book (Really like the grey maidens and the lantern bearers.)
On the other hand, it is a useful source for GMs who go into the "Continuing the Campaign" mode after the appropriate APs are done. Some details may need to change.. such as NPCs who don't survive the AP in that GM's world... but overall, it gives some structure to how things *could* look after the AP.
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I really love the idea of this book but I'm bummed that such a cool campaign resource is full of spoilers. I haven't seen it yet, so maybe I'm confused; but I'm pretty certain that having a faction of 'good' Grey Maidens is spoileriffic, at least for my group.
Ah well, there are a few APs that this doesn't impact I guess. Maybe when we're done with Curse, and assuming we don't play one of these I can 'set it free.'
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On the other hand, it is a useful source for GMs who go into the "Continuing the Campaign" mode after the appropriate APs are done. Some details may need to change.. such as NPCs who don't survive the AP in that GM's world... but overall, it gives some structure to how things *could* look after the AP.
Totally! This aspect is great.
But in this case, does this book even _belong_ in the RPG line? Dead horse, I know but...
Just ugh.
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The fact that they have a Gray Maiden section at all is rather spoilerish in and of itself if you read it regardless of what's in it if you're playing CotCT. They're one of the main antagonists. It'd be the same if they had a Runelords chapter and you were playing RotRL or SS. It's simple enough to not read that chapter.
If you don't want your players to be spoiled or you don't want to be spoiled yourself then skip that section for now, otherwise if they want to see spils even after you ask them not to it's simple enough to be spoiled by looking over the forums or reading the AP itself, not really much you can do there.
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I really love the idea of this book but I'm bummed that such a cool campaign resource is full of spoilers. I haven't seen it yet, so maybe I'm confused; but I'm pretty certain that having a faction of 'good' Grey Maidens is spoileriffic, at least for my group.
If you think spoilers are bad then why is your previous paragraph full of spoilers?
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On the other hand, it is a useful source for GMs who go into the "Continuing the Campaign" mode after the appropriate APs are done. Some details may need to change.. such as NPCs who don't survive the AP in that GM's world... but overall, it gives some structure to how things *could* look after the AP.Totally! This aspect is great.
But in this case, does this book even _belong_ in the RPG line? Dead horse, I know but...
Just ugh.
Its a hardcover filled with options and a little bit of flavor, so I don't mind, also being in the RPG line means the PDF is only gonna be $10 bucks, so that'll make a lot of people happy.
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The fact that they have a Gray Maiden section at all is rather spoilerish in and of itself if you read it regardless of what's in it if you're playing CotCT. They're one of the main antagonists. It'd be the same if they had a Runelords chapter and you were playing RotRL or SS. It's simple enough to not read that chapter.
If you don't want your players to be spoiled or you don't want to be spoiled yourself then skip that section for now, otherwise if they want to see spils even after you ask them not to it's simple enough to be spoiled by looking over the forums or reading the AP itself, not really much you can do there.
I guess my problem is the disconnect from marketing it as a book with lots of player's options but it spoils every AP it touches (however vague they may be) making it useless for players in those campaigns.
I guess, I'm disappointed with how many organizations that don't spoil APs on Golarion why include so many that do. And that they decided to assume all APs are completed thus robbing players of whatever connection thru might've forged. And don't tell me I can just use it to make npcs betterer, because that's what the beastiaries and codex's are for.
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The fact that they have a Gray Maiden section at all is rather spoilerish in and of itself if you read it regardless of what's in it if you're playing CotCT. They're one of the main antagonists. It'd be the same if they had a Runelords chapter and you were playing RotRL or SS. It's simple enough to not read that chapter.
If you don't want your players to be spoiled or you don't want to be spoiled yourself then skip that section for now, otherwise if they want to see spils even after you ask them not to it's simple enough to be spoiled by looking over the forums or reading the AP itself, not really much you can do there.
I guess my problem is the disconnect from marketing it as a book with lots of player's options but it spoils every AP it touches (however vague they may be) making it useless for players in those campaigns.
I guess, I'm disappointed with how many organizations that don't spoil APs on Golarion why include so many that do.
I wouldn't say it's useless as you could have your GM look at it and take the options to offer the players without spoilerish anything mostly.
The Grey Maiden stuff for example could even be used to offer a new/relacement character late in CotCT even. Or as F$~*ing great lead in for SS.
As for so many there's only 4 that's spoilerish out of 18. Council of Thieves, Gray Maidens, Lantern Bearers, and Silver Ravens. And they are all in their own contained sections, not all over the place so you'll accidently see it.
I give a pass on Gray Maidens if only because that AP originally came out a long time ago, and that particular organization(s) are probably one of the most iconic groups for Pathfinder. There are at least some folks who have never played the AP who know what a Gray Maiden is
Kind of agree about the Silver Ravens and Council of Thieves being maybe a bit too spoilerific.
The fact that they have a Gray Maiden section at all is rather spoilerish in and of itself if you read it regardless of what's in it if you're playing CotCT. They're one of the main antagonists. It'd be the same if they had a Runelords chapter and you were playing RotRL or SS. It's simple enough to not read that chapter.
If you don't want your players to be spoiled or you don't want to be spoiled yourself then skip that section for now, otherwise if they want to see spils even after you ask them not to it's simple enough to be spoiled by looking over the forums or reading the AP itself, not really much you can do there.
I guess my problem is the disconnect from marketing it as a book with lots of player's options but it spoils every AP it touches (however vague they may be) making it useless for players in those campaigns.
I guess, I'm disappointed with how many organizations that don't spoil APs on Golarion why include so many that do.
I wouldn't say it's useless as you could have your GM look at it and take the options to offer the players without spoilerish anything mostly.
The Grey Maiden stuff for example could even be used to offer a new/relacement character late in CotCT even. Or as F+&$ing great lead in for SS.
As for so many there's only 4 that's spoilerish out of 18. Council of Thieves, Gray Maidens, Lantern Bearers, and Silver Ravens. And they are all in their own contained sections, not all over the place so you'll accidently see it.
Not what they marketed as.
My players get too attached to replace characters in later stages (and that's what Raise Dead or Reincarnation are for).
I am the GM.
I cannot put individual chapters under lock and key. :-)
That's as far as I care to go with this discussion. I just wanted to get my opinion on the matter out there. :-)
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I give a pass on Gray Maidens if only because that AP originally came out a long time ago, and that particular organization(s) are probably one of the most iconic groups for Pathfinder. There are at least some folks who have never played the AP who know what a Gray Maiden is
Kind of agree about the Silver Ravens and Council of Thieves being maybe a bit too spoilerific.
While the Silver Ravens are relatively recent, Council of Thieves came out 9 years ago.
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The fact that they have a Gray Maiden section at all is rather spoilerish in and of itself if you read it regardless of what's in it if you're playing CotCT. They're one of the main antagonists. It'd be the same if they had a Runelords chapter and you were playing RotRL or SS. It's simple enough to not read that chapter.
If you don't want your players to be spoiled or you don't want to be spoiled yourself then skip that section for now, otherwise if they want to see spils even after you ask them not to it's simple enough to be spoiled by looking over the forums or reading the AP itself, not really much you can do there.
I guess my problem is the disconnect from marketing it as a book with lots of player's options but it spoils every AP it touches (however vague they may be) making it useless for players in those campaigns.
I guess, I'm disappointed with how many organizations that don't spoil APs on Golarion why include so many that do.
I wouldn't say it's useless as you could have your GM look at it and take the options to offer the players without spoilerish anything mostly.
The Grey Maiden stuff for example could even be used to offer a new/relacement character late in CotCT even. Or as F+&$ing great lead in for SS.
As for so many there's only 4 that's spoilerish out of 18. Council of Thieves, Gray Maidens, Lantern Bearers, and Silver Ravens. And they are all in their own contained sections, not all over the place so you'll accidently see it.
Not what they marketed as.
My players get too attached to replace characters in later stages (and that's what Raise Dead or Reincarnation are for).
I am the GM.
I cannot put individual chapters under lock and key. :-)
That's as far as I care to go with this discussion. I just wanted to get my opinion on the matter out there. :-)
Um, they marketed it as an Organization book? I'm missing something I guess.
That's awesome to hear, but not all players or like that or you might get new players.
And yes as a GM you can put stuff under lock and key (moreso if you're the one in possession of the book), but if you think your players are going to read and get spoiled they'll do that anyway, regardless of whether they have the book or not. They can come to those very forums and search and find the synopsis very quick.
No hard feelings, sorry you aren't liking the book though. *hugs*
Does the Cyphermage section do anything to help define "runemagic" any more than we have already seen, either specifically or through inference ?
Um, they marketed it as an Organization book? I'm missing something I guess.
The issue doesn't sound like it's because it's an Organisation book, but because it's an Organisation book that seems like it can only be used outside of the material that interacts with those organisations.
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Um, they marketed it as an Organization book? I'm missing something I guess.The issue doesn't sound like it's because it's an Organisation book, but because it's an Organisation book that seems like it can only be used outside of the material that interacts with those organisations.
Oh, eh, while the Grey Maiden one would take some work (haven't read the Council of Thieves one enough to offer an opinion at this time) to put them into CotCT for players (NPC Gray Maidens would work just fine), they would work great in SS.
The other two could be used directly in the AP they are introduced with little to no problems I believe.
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What does the Hunter class get?
"I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and pick up the garbage." -- Arlo Guthrie
What does the Hunter class get?"I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and pick up the garbage." -- Arlo Guthrie
I've listened to that song enough times that I basically can't play it if other folks are around. It's cool to be immune to the nauseated effect if you yourself create it!
Of course listening to it now after a number of years, there's definitely some vocabulary that's uh... a sign of the times.
What does the Hunter class get?
Off the top of my head, it got an archetype that included the nice feature of allowing you to have a large-size bear as one of the options.
Any material for kineticists ?
Any material for kineticists ?
"Kinetic" doesn't show up anywhere in the document.
Any material for kineticists ?"Kinetic" doesn't show up anywhere in the document.
thank you for quick response
What does the the Silver Ravens intro image show? Them killing Citizen's Group thugs in the streets or devils in the opera house?
what does the Rostland Bravo swashbuckler get?
what does the Rostland Bravo swashbuckler get?
Not much. You drop the ability to use bucklers for dueling sword proficiency and gain a couple feats that you need to spend panache to us. At 11th you get a flurry like ability, and a few levels later you get...the Thug Rogue's level one ability.
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what does the Rostland Bravo swashbuckler get?Not much. You drop the ability to use bucklers for dueling sword proficiency and gain a couple feats that you need to spend panache to us. At 11th you get a flurry like ability, and a few levels later you get...the Thug Rogue's level one ability.
The Thug ability is just an enhancer on Intimidate, the Bravo gets to do it as part of their full attack, BIG difference.
Also, Feinting as a swift action, which I view as better for the Bravo than the standard Superior Feint since it takes a Standard Action to do so.
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what does the Rostland Bravo swashbuckler get?Not much. You drop the ability to use bucklers for dueling sword proficiency and gain a couple feats that you need to spend panache to us. At 11th you get a flurry like ability, and a few levels later you get...the Thug Rogue's level one ability.The Thug ability is just an enhancer on Intimidate, the Bravo gets to do it as part of their full attack, BIG difference.
Also, Feinting as a swift action, which I view as better for the Bravo than the standard Superior Feint since it takes a Standard Action to do so.
I can build a level 1 Thug that can do what a 15th level Rostland Bravo can do. It's not that I'm knocking the ability itself. It's a good ability, just not super good when your buddies are doing things like punching people across rooms, creating natural disasters, shuffling their allies around the field, temporarily raising the dead by the power of rock, and more. You, on the other hand, gain the ability to do something really cool...too late for it to be all that impressive, especially considering, as I said, a 1st level rogue with enforcer can do what you do, without having to full attack to do it. It'd be really awesome if it swapped out for something earlier. As is it's meh.