
Brew Bird |

One of the things I was most relieved about being able to do this book was to get errata in for the Red Mantis assassin prestige class.
1) They can cast spells in light armor without spell failure (similar to how bards work).
2) At 1st level, they treat sawtooth sabres as light weapons for ALL purposes, including being able to use Weapon Finesse with them. (This isn't as much errata as it is a necessary adjustment after the sawtooth sabre got adjusted in Ultimate Equipment.)
Does this include alllowing unchained Rogues to select Sawtooth Sabres with their Finesse Training ability?

MYTHIC FEROS |
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Do the cypher Mages get anything else, asides for the wizard archetype ?
Cyphermages get:
The Cyphermage prestige class
Runesage Wizard archetype
Sigilus Magus archetype
Unaffiliated feats: Cypher Magic, Cypher Script
A series of spells centered around Thassilonian Rune Magic
A description of Thassilonian Rune Magic

Secret Wizard |

MYTHIC FEROS wrote:Are there changes to the Lore Warden? If so, what are they?FallenDabus wrote:What are the fighter archetypes?** spoiler omitted **
I'd assume they changed the "this replaces Bravery I" if they had to change something. That's the biggest balance and editorial issue, and not such a big deal to fix.

David knott 242 |

Human Fighter wrote:Sorry, I don't have the Field Guide so I can't compare.MYTHIC FEROS wrote:Are there changes to the Lore Warden? If so, what are they?FallenDabus wrote:What are the fighter archetypes?** spoiler omitted **
Okay -- Do the game mechanics of that archetype differ in any way from this earlier version?

MYTHIC FEROS |
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What all do the council of thieves get? Medium spirit is neat, but what else?
Westcrown Devil prestige class
Brazen Deceiver Bard archetype
Dashing Thief Swashbuckler archetype
The afore mentioned Legendary Medium Spirit
A series of rogue talents and advanced rogue talents specifically used by the Council.
Included is the advanced rogue talent of Shrinewalk, allowing a rogue to crate a shrine and use the mystical connections between the shrines in Westcrown to use a word of recall like ability to get back to her shrine.

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I'd assume they changed the "this replaces Bravery I" if they had to change something. That's the biggest balance and editorial issue, and not such a big deal to fix.
It now replaces Bravery and the 2nd level bonus feat.
Okay -- Do the game mechanics of that archetype differ in any way from this earlier version?
Ye gods, yes. It's much more streamlined. I'm going to have to decide what to do with my PFS Lore Warden now, I imagine.

MYTHIC FEROS |

James Jacobs wrote:Does this include alllowing unchained Rogues to select Sawtooth Sabres with their Finesse Training ability?One of the things I was most relieved about being able to do this book was to get errata in for the Red Mantis assassin prestige class.
1) They can cast spells in light armor without spell failure (similar to how bards work).
2) At 1st level, they treat sawtooth sabres as light weapons for ALL purposes, including being able to use Weapon Finesse with them. (This isn't as much errata as it is a necessary adjustment after the sawtooth sabre got adjusted in Ultimate Equipment.)
From the descriptions, I'd say yes.

Human Fighter |

Secret Wizard wrote:I'd assume they changed the "this replaces Bravery I" if they had to change something. That's the biggest balance and editorial issue, and not such a big deal to fix.It now replaces Bravery and the 2nd level bonus feat.
David knott 242 wrote:Okay -- Do the game mechanics of that archetype differ in any way from this earlier version?Ye gods, yes. It's much more streamlined.
The only change is that it got nerfed?

MYTHIC FEROS |

TriOmegaZero wrote:The only change is that it got nerfed?Secret Wizard wrote:I'd assume they changed the "this replaces Bravery I" if they had to change something. That's the biggest balance and editorial issue, and not such a big deal to fix.It now replaces Bravery and the 2nd level bonus feat.
David knott 242 wrote:Okay -- Do the game mechanics of that archetype differ in any way from this earlier version?Ye gods, yes. It's much more streamlined.
Actually, it looks a lot more customizable and flexible.

MYTHIC FEROS |
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What factions get the Alchemist, Bloodrager, Brawler, Hunter, Magus, Medium, Occultist, Spiritualist, Summoner, Vigilante, and Warpriest archetypes.

zergtitan |
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Um I found a problem...
I will houserule it in myself but i feel like that should have been in there.

nighttree |
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nighttree wrote:** spoiler omitted **Do the cypher Mages get anything else, asides for the wizard archetype ?
HOLY CRAP !
Is the Cypher mage just a reprint of the original PrC ? or have they changed/updated it ??
And what's the Sigilus Magus archetype like ???
(I think I just peed myself a little)......
EDIT:....Just saw the post about going to bed....I'll wait....sleep tight ;) and thanks...

Eric Hinkle |
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I wrote one of the vigilante archetypes - I wonder who gets the other.
I already got the "Aldori vigilante" out of my system with the Dragonscale loyalist, back in Heroes of the High Court. I feel like that archetype was underappreciated... but that might just be the ego talking. ^_^
For what it's worth, I really like that archetype. I enjoy seeing the developers do more with Brevoy and the River Kingdoms.

zergtitan |

Yes Secret Wizard alot of the material is from previous work that has been complied and updated so about 50% at most you may have seen in some other form before by what i can tell.
doesn't make it a bad thing in my opinion considering the amount of book jumping i have to do sometimes for characters from these organizations.

Isabelle Lee |
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Glutton wrote:While this is true, I would be very surprised if the Red Mantis got a swashbuckler archetype here.Kalindlara wrote:Sadly, slayer isn't on the list up there, or I'd be looking forward to seeing if they get one. At the very least, I hope that they finally got a method of using Weapon Finesse with their sabres... that's been a long time coming.Slayer is a natural fit, and I'm playing a slayer /RMA prestige right now, however with the list presented, I'm guess ranger, rogue, or hopefully, Swashbuckler. Swashbuckler would give out that finesseable sabres treatment rather well.
And now I can explain why.

MadScientistWorking |

Yes Secret Wizard alot of the material is from previous work that has been complied and updated so about 50% at most you may have seen in some other form before by what i can tell.
doesn't make it a bad thing in my opinion considering the amount of book jumping i have to do sometimes for characters from these organizations.
Considering that people were hoping for a new Brawler archetype that was just a rehash it is kind of disappointing. Im not opposed to reprinting content but I wish they would be more upfront about it.

skizzerz |

A new Brawler archetype is coming in Ultimate Wilderness (confirmed by Mark Seifter on page 1 of that product's thread).
Umm... on topic... to anyone that already has it, what's your favorite piece of art in the book?

technarken |

Is the Bellflower Vigilante the Bellflower Harvester? Is the Magaambyan Bloodrager the Enlightened Bloodrager?
As a guy who bought almost all the player companions for the last couple years, I'll be a little disappointed if so much of the material in this book winds up being reprints. Doubly so if it winds up being Fencing Grace all over again.

Isabelle Lee |
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I'll feel very jipped if all it is is reprints.
A couple of things:
1) Please don't use that word, as it comes from a racial slur. Consider "cheated" or "misled" instead.
2) Having written more than sixteen thousand words for this book, I can assure you that it is not all reprints. While some sections contain more previously-seen material than others, every section has new content to use and enjoy. ^_^

Jessica Price Project Manager |
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I'll feel very jipped if all it is is reprints.
Please don't use slurs here. I know you probably weren't aware that it's a slur, but here's more information on the word's origins, meaning, and how it's harmful. Thanks!

Secret Wizard |

Two matters:
A) I love the fact that archetypes from Player Companions and such are being reprinted in the main line. And I particularly love that they are being updated. The Lore Warden needed a development pass for sure.
B) Anyone could leak the name of the Monk archetype? I assume it's from the Houses of Perfection.

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Anyone could leak the name of the Monk archetype? I assume it's from the Houses of Perfection.

David knott 242 |

There is also the issue of how many items in this book are pure reprints and how many are revisions.
I think we are looking at about five Player Companions worth of new or revised material. Can anyone who has the PDF confirm or revise that estimate?

dharkus |

also started a thread in the CoT forum to crowdsource reworking the Council of Thieves books' NPCs based on the stuff in here - Any help from ppl who already have the book would be much appreciated - I'll probably do some work on it once I get the book in 1-3 weeks