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So, anybody out there still interested in buying an All-In Pledge of disassembled miniatures?

25% off, for $300 it could be yours.


When I emailed them I got an autoreply directing me to contact Archon and a doc file explaining how to change shipping address, so I guess there we have it.


I have this funny feeling that Technarken will not make it through this "case-by-case" basis should they try to transfer their pledge.


No, don't you see? It isn't fraud so long as you say you have every intention of fulfilling the project, even if you know you can't, even if you take steps to ensure you won't. All you have to do is say you have every intention of fulfilling the project, and you are golden on grifting hundreds of thousands.

Oh, before I forget...44 days and counting.


43 days and counting...


Jim Butler wrote:

I've reached out to Archon and Ninja Division to get an update posted for the Kickstarter backers, to get the Pledge Manager unlocked, and to answer your question about transfers.

-Jim

2 weeks later, still no update from either ND or Archon. We can see they've logged onto Kickstarter in the interim, but they're still ghosting us, and apparently you as well.


Peachbottom wrote:

Well unless Archon starts communicating, or even better, actually delivering on something, the expectation that we are getting nothing will continue.

Is Archon communicating somewhere outside of the Kickstarter page? Because I haven't seen anything from them except for the one post saying they were taking over.

There was a 2nd update back in late August where they revealed their piecemeal miniatures.


Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Y’all forgive us if we don’t believe that after this thread and the other.

Hey, at this point I can see Paizo got scammed just like us backers did.


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Burro-crat wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
technarken wrote:
Ninja Division has no incentive to help us, and at this point I'd say no incentive to listen to Paizo either. They got our money, and shoved their obligations onto Archon and now are just ignoring the world.
Paizo did not get your money. I understand you're frustrated by Ninja, but Paizo is working to try to get you something after Ninja failed to deliver. Paizo is out in this endeavor too, but you refuse to see that.
Paizo got the licensing fee that was to be provided to them by ND, correct?

Don't worry about it, Cori is just chasing ambiguous grammar in defense of someone not under attack.


They said in their press releases they'd be doing monthly releases. That was 2 months ago. Paizo clarified that they'd be doing monthly releases once they actually got started. 1 month ago Archon announced they'd actually got started. As of 4 days ago, Archon're behind schedule.


Cori Marie wrote:
technarken wrote:
Ninja Division has no incentive to help us, and at this point I'd say no incentive to listen to Paizo either. They got our money, and shoved their obligations onto Archon and now are just ignoring the world.
Paizo did not get your money. I understand you're frustrated by Ninja, but Paizo is working to try to get you something after Ninja failed to deliver. Paizo is out in this endeavor too, but you refuse to see that.

They in this case was Ninja Division, not Paizo. Paizo's only less victim than us because they can actually communicate to ND and be acknowledged.

Granted, the fact that a week later there's been nothing to show for their efforts would seem to indicate that ND feels they can safely ignore Paizo as well.


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Ninja Division has no incentive to help us, and at this point I'd say no incentive to listen to Paizo either. They got our money, and shoved their obligations onto Archon and now are just ignoring the world.


For purely informational purposes, it has been 1 month since the last activity on ND's part on the Kickstarter page. ND have not even logged in to their project page in over a week. As of tomorrow, September 27th 2019, we are back to fulfillment being behind schedule.


I'm just trying to get them to weigh in on pledge selling, and it's been 10 days since I asked them.


Does anyone at Paizo have a non-ignored line of communication with ND they could utilize, or do they ghost you as well?


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The Pledge Manager company got back to me this afternoon, and their advice to me was, quite literally, pester ND and associates until ND gets in touch with me, because the pledge manager can't do anything without their say-so. So with that in mind, I apologize in advance for any kooky things I might do in the coming days


The page is still under the control of Ninja Division, who have done their utmost to not exist on the Kickstarter page. Archon has no control of it, and that is the biggest problem here.

Even if Archon pulls through in the next week and starts churning out these things, shipping is still on Mr. "We were given millions and ran out of bubble wrap, so your products (that totally exist) can't go out."

I just want to recoup my losses and let some optimistic soul out there wait for the nothing. Or hey, Paizo could just give me store credit?


I want to transfer pledge, not wait until product never arrives to not sell it. It's simple. Someone more optimistic than me can buy the pledge off of me, and then this is their concern.


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No update from ND is forthcoming. Since we'd need their approval to sell a pledge, we're hosed.


If only ND actually responded to attempts to establish contact for any reason whatsoever.


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50% of what I paid to the Kickstarter in Paizobux. Heck, a couple bricks of Starfinder Battles would be nice, considering that's what I actually wanted 2 years ago.


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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Is it too late for Archon to back out of this act of good will?

I'm not obligated to like key lime pie just because you made me key lime Pie. Especially when I ordered pumpkin pie from someone else, who was lying about having pumpkins. Could have given me money back, a franchise voucher, maybe even tried to make your own pumpkin pie. But the decision was to present me with something I didn't order, and ignored on the menu.

I feel vindicated because for the last month I'd been waiting for the "but" and to me this was a doozy of one. I've never been a crafty sort of person, my life is full of horribly botched craft projects and me with glue horrifies most of my family. Paint is as crafty as I get, and even that is perilous.

So for me I've gone from throwing all in on something because it's close enough to what I wanted, to not getting it, to realizing the people I paid for it will never be able to get it, to being informed that I will be getting something for my troubles...only it's even further away from what I paid for. And I'm being told that it is rude for me to voice my irritation at this.


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I did not pay for unassembled plastic parts, I paid for whole resin figures. I would be fine with either assembled or resin, but this?

I know, I know..."Be happy you're getting anything at all, nobody had to do this for you" right? At least I get the warm feeling of vindication out of this last bit.


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I ran the numbers, and assuming they started immediately last month and made the maximum possible number of minis for each month, they'd be done somewhere around February of 2021. A far cry from 5 years. Of course the more realistic estimate would be by the end of 2021.


KS Announcement to the backers wrote:
Each month, Archon Studio plans to produce 4 or 5 of the minis announced during the Kickstarter plus 1 brand-new mini. These minis will be available for sale in your favorite local game store, on paizo.com, and direct from archon-studio.com.

In future, please don't have your press releases worded so as to indicate a timetable exists when that is not the case. I don't know what this means by each month, but it sounds like each month. Maybe I've grown too accustomed to the stylings of Cadice with regards to this...


You probably should be more clear with these things when you're taking the helm on a project characterized by evasive vagueness.

I latched on to the concrete numbers given to me by you and assumed what was said was what was meant because you weren't ND. I just don't want to be strung along anymore. 20+ months is a long wait for the first tangible return on a $400 leisure purchase, I hope you can appreciate that.


KS Announcement wrote:
Each month, Archon Studio plans to produce 4 or 5 of the minis announced during the Kickstarter plus 1 brand-new mini. These minis will be available for sale in your favorite local game store, on paizo.com, and direct from archon-studio.com.

Archon Studio should be presenting...something. In the near future.


Deadline 1 is in a week, 2 if we assume Gen Con doesn't count. I'll know what I should expect going forward at that point.


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The can got kicked down the road a while, unless you live in the EU


Assuming they go at full tilt that means this will only take 18 months to fulfill for me. Yay. Can I just cash out for 200 paizobucks or something?

P.s. as someone on the KS helpfully pointed out, we got charged for shipping for something that never shipped. Will we be getting that back?


Hey, they'll apparently be at Gen Con, and have shelled out just shy of 8k to get booth space. Hopefully they will be more talkative when they can't avoid contact with their backers?


Sounds like there's a timetable where if this isn't resolved in time I will just miss out, huh?


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technarken on November 2, 2018 wrote:
The sad part is with Armory Starfinder was reaching the threshold of playability for me (I like having a lot of content), but any time I think about Starfinder now I associate it with getting ripped off, lied to, and strung along for half a year by people I gave hundreds of dollars to.

The fulfillment of this Kickstarter, whether through receiving all the miniatures from the $400 level, receiving a full refund, $200 in Paizo credit, or some similar level of recompense is all I need here. After that I have no problem hopping into the game. There are Starfinder games I'm eager to join once playing doesn't feel like a sleazebath


I know I can, but the "I spent $400+ on miniatures for this game I still haven't got yet and likely never will" feeling ruins the whole experience. The guilt of being scammed is a powerful sensation that permeates every aspect of the Starfinder system, and it will continue to make it unplayable for me until this matter is properly resolved.


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For what it's worth, the ND crew are active on their other Kickstarter pages. Granted, they're just there to chide angry backers on their negativity toward being ripped off, but still...


Knowing ND, the NDA probably does prohibit Paizo from answering those questions.


Nice clause for future business dealings might be something to the effect of "If you go radio silent too long with your customers about a project we're involved in, any NDA between us is voided"


Doesn't make it any less infuriating, but accuracy is important. They burned our money with Paizo's help and stalled out 1 year ago, not 2. Paizo is not involved (to my knowledge at least) with their other Ponzis


Well, we're coming up on another month of absolute radio silence from our 'friends' at ND.


At their present rate, likely within a decade


I mean, what proof do we have that anything but the prepaints even have ND Sculpts?


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I don't think Paizo's cut of this would cover ND's debt to Archon. Besides, doing that would be a horrible decision for Paizo to make, considering ND would likely just fumble the ball again by running out of bubble wrap or packing peanuts. Paizo would then be left with ND in debt to them, with no way for them to pay it off, and the minis would still be out of backer hands.

Paizo would have to actually believe ND to be competent and have the spare capital to risk. Considering the current situation they're in financially, I don't blame them for the inaction there.


I still can't be sure the sculpts exist considering the number of lies ND already has in play here


Erik Mona wrote:

Folks,

I wanted to drop by to share a conundrum, and to share a bit of my perspective on affairs of the last week.

The conundrum is this: Throughout this process with Ninja Division, but after we realized they were going to have significant difficulties pulling this project across the finish line, there have been numerous behind-the-scenes developments or potential fixes that we have heard about, but that have not come to fruition.

That sort of thing puts us in a difficult place regarding communications. Do we share our sense of hope, only to have it dashed again when something doesn't come through? That's certainly a dilemma that has played into us not being as frequent with updates in the past as we should have been.

I don't want to get people's hopes up, even if I see signs of incremental progress behind the scenes. I hope you all can understand that when we make an announcement regarding this project, we want to be EXTRA CERTAIN that we understand the details and have faith that they are going to occur before sharing them in public.

So I don't have details to convey, and I don't want to give the impression that a solution is in sight or that it looks like the project is back on the road or whatever.

But I DO want to share that, behind the scenes, we have seen a LOT of evidence--especially since the GAMA Trade Show--that Ninja Division is actively working to move the project forward and find solutions for their many difficulties.

I have proof that these guys ARE trying, and some of that is encouraging. I don't want to say more than that, but I do want you guys to know and understand that much at least.

Thanks for your continuing patience, or at least for your continuing attention.

Is "Set a date sometime in mid-late 2020. If they haven't fulfilled by then, we'll stop power-leveling our thumb-twiddling skill and act." too much to ask?


kadance wrote:
I understand the announcement was recent, but how far into the ND fiasco did the talks with WizKids start?

I second this


Sorry for (the vast majority of) my vitriol.


If Paizo owns the files and could technically fulfill the KS project by releasing them (with some sort of legalese to fill out) to backers, I'll happily take that. It will at least be something. I've got a buddy with a 3d Printer and everything.

If Paizo does not own the files, for the love of God call his bluff.


Context on the Hawaiian Punch line: he was responding to my comment "It looks like JSC is abandoning us again since we didn't drink the koolaid" from 3 weeks before. What a witty comeback.

I must admit, I was misled about the situation with Archon, and would eat my hat if I had one on that.

Still don't have any explanation for why Ninja Division's financial disclosures to a state AG and to the KS backers are mutually exclusive.
Still have no concrete information about how this project is going to be fulfilled.
Still nothing from the people at Paizo we were assured would have something to say.
Still no miniatures.
Still out $400.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
"Summersnow” wrote:
Given the provocation by Ninja Division I wouldn't want Paizo to work with a company that took offense at them "breaking contract" when it seems clear that Ninja Division deliberately entered into said contract fraudulently with the intention to screw Paizo from the get go.
There is a lot of understandable but speculative rethoric in that response, so I will return to watching this thread rather than continue inciting you.

Concrete information has a way of eliminating speculation.


Diego Valdez wrote:
As I mentioned in my previous post, customer service does not have the power to say anything beyond what Sara has posted. Which you just said you don't want to hear. Likewise, as I mentioned above, we have been making sure this thread stays visible to the company higher ups. Despite your assumption of 10 minutes, you have no idea how much time and energy myself or my colleagues have put into doing so.

Maybe with access to more information people wouldn't be left with a blank space for their minds to spin theories out on?

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