I don't think Paizo's cut of this would cover ND's debt to Archon. Besides, doing that would be a horrible decision for Paizo to make, considering ND would likely just fumble the ball again by running out of bubble wrap or packing peanuts. Paizo would then be left with ND in debt to them, with no way for them to pay it off, and the minis would still be out of backer hands.
Paizo would have to actually believe ND to be competent and have the spare capital to risk. Considering the current situation they're in financially, I don't blame them for the inaction there.
Erik Mona wrote:
Is "Set a date sometime in mid-late 2020. If they haven't fulfilled by then, we'll stop power-leveling our thumb-twiddling skill and act." too much to ask?
If Paizo owns the files and could technically fulfill the KS project by releasing them (with some sort of legalese to fill out) to backers, I'll happily take that. It will at least be something. I've got a buddy with a 3d Printer and everything.
If Paizo does not own the files, for the love of God call his bluff.
Context on the Hawaiian Punch line: he was responding to my comment "It looks like JSC is abandoning us again since we didn't drink the koolaid" from 3 weeks before. What a witty comeback.
I must admit, I was misled about the situation with Archon, and would eat my hat if I had one on that.
Still don't have any explanation for why Ninja Division's financial disclosures to a state AG and to the KS backers are mutually exclusive.
Concrete information has a way of eliminating speculation.
Diego Valdez wrote:
As I mentioned in my previous post, customer service does not have the power to say anything beyond what Sara has posted. Which you just said you don't want to hear. Likewise, as I mentioned above, we have been making sure this thread stays visible to the company higher ups. Despite your assumption of 10 minutes, you have no idea how much time and energy myself or my colleagues have put into doing so.
Maybe with access to more information people wouldn't be left with a blank space for their minds to spin theories out on?
Its scattered all over the place, boardgamegeek, the chibi gamers Facebook, the kickstarter page, a couple Archon Studios pages, even back a few pages in this forum. The end of March is the end of (if I understand it correctly) a fiscal quarter where Archon's warehouses are. If the minis they've already manufactured are there at the end of the quarter, they get taxed for them. The whole reason Paizo was doing negotiations with Archon was to try and get their hands on them before they were destroyed by Archon to avoid paying taxes for what Ninja Division couldn't afford to pay for.
I think they're haggling with Archon Studios to try and get the Starfinder Minis already manufactured out of Ninja Division's custody.
1. Obviously not. Now they know we know they got paid for this, so I think they'd be even less happy.
2. Considering the people willing to plonk hundreds down on preordering minis sight unseen would be almost entirely outspoken fans? I would hope not. It's certainly crushed my desire to buy Paizo products, and that was a desire literally thousands of dollars strong
3. Of course. They get paid 28k and all it costs them is goodwill later down the line if the KS fails.
Silas Stadatilas wrote:
I did not include the post-campaign pledge money because I firmly believe ND just pocketed that along with the $35 I paid for shipping.
They can always claim that someone else got royalties, heck they can pay themselves royalties if they want thanks to how their companies are structured. Which is worse?
Thanks Technarken ... that's seem almost encouraging... (at least they seem to be talking...)
That comment was posted on a random Facebook group. Not one of the multiple stalled Kickstarters, not on their site, not even on their own social media. A random Facebook group is apparently more deserving than the people that have paid this guy's bills for the last couple years.
I dunno about you, but it makes me angry.
Any comment on Cadice deciding to start replying to questions on a random Facebook group?
What about Archon's potential liquidation of all existing Starfinder Minis currently in storage at their warehouse (because ND didn't pay them)? Has Paizo had a chance to peruse Archon's offer on what to do with their Starfinder inventory?
A lot happened in the last couple days, sorry.
Btw, all of this is available on a publically viewable page. Draw your own conclusions about it.
damning news wrote:
The company had been giving its backers updates — 132 of them — but “communication from a small group of backers has become increasingly vocal and hostile” and threatening, it said. Cadice told the Statesman that’s why the company stopped engaging with its customers.
People tend to do this when they become convinced you're cheating them. It took me MONTHS before I became vocal, but I became vocal because nobody was talking to me.
Haven't seen anyone talking about it. Hope Paizo has rescinded any invitations to Ninja Division for Paizocon....
What are you talking about? Give them more opportunities to either interact with the community or publically decline. They can't manage logging in to their own accounts, maybe they can manage the posture to sit upright in a chair?
Has Ninja Division provided Paizo with a timeline of when they expect to be able to fulfill all of their obligations to backers, and if so, can you tell us what it is?
Has Ninja Division provided Paizo an explanation for going completely radio silent to their backers for 3 months now, and if so, can you tell us what it is?
Did Paizo approach Ninja Division for this project, or did Ninja Division approach Paizo?
Does Paizo have a plan in place for Ninja Division completely failing to deliver on anything from here on out, and if so, can you tell us what it is?
How much of the $500k that this kickstarter pulled in did Paizo receive for their licensing?
Why does the contract Paizo has with Ninja Division have stringent measures in place regarding disclosure of information, but nothing at all in place regarding one party in the contract doing their very best performance of "Fleeing the Country With the Money in D Major"?
I don't think ND is competent enough to even find a lawyer on their own.
They can do a lot of things. They could give a proportional amount of store credit, they could be transparent about what lies Ninja Division told them, they could force Ninja Division to actually talk to the people that've paid their bills (you need results for the label of investor or customer to be appropriate).
Most of those things just risk incurring the wrath of a Ponzi racket who might be able to bluff their way into legal representation.
Keep the spec for the molds to themselves and not let anyone else use them? Any other company is going to have to develop that themselves anyway, but by continuing to communicate, there is the chance that all that time and effort can still produce more minis.
I've got 50 acres of prime oceanfront property for sale in Oklahoma, any takers?
I mean, if Paizo did break contract, what are ND going to do, hire a lawyer with all the money they don't have, knowing that they'd be subject to scrutiny as part of any litigation?
I'd be very interested in finding out if "complete radio silence for pushing 3 months" is considered a breach of contract...
They'd have to track down Ninja Scott, he seems to have walked out the door with the social media passwords when he got canned. 0 public communication since.
@Sara: I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I think you're succeeding in noting that Paizo is paying attention to this issue - and you're right, the slow pace of some business activities can be less than optimal for customers who feel like they've been left in the lurch... and I really appreciate your regular communications here. Too many companies just stay quiet because they feel like they have nothing to say, but in my experience, that just makes things worse. I know how important maintaining relationships with customers is for Paizo, and I've decided to believe you're doing what you can about this situation (even if it's not as much as you or the backers here would prefer - alas, what we want to do and what we can actually do aren't always the same thing).
The fact that she's responding at all raised my expectations too high, methinks.Too used to Ninja Scott promising things then ghosting...even though he left with ND's social media passwords months ago
Sara Marie wrote:
Just wanted to check in and let you know that with the holidays, I do not foresee being able to check in with our Licensing Manager or Execs for news until after the new year. I will follow up with them & this thread on Monday, January 8th, 2019.
Tuesday we should get answers. At least if Paizo doesn't pull a Ninja Scott on us