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Good so far, and the last few episodes have by far been the most funny episodes they have done on the show (not that they have discarded the serious elements)

"The mission is.....LADY'S NIGHT!!!!"


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It would make sense to fold the gunslinger into swashbuckler, given the latter in media also often were associated with guns anyway. I mean there is a reason for Musket to be in the name of Musketeer after all...


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Agent Carter is still safe, as Endgame only went as far back as the 70's, when SHIELD was already established, and Peggy was director.

Cloak and Dagger made some side comments, like a bad guy in the first season saying he had to keep up with the Rands and the Starks, as well as the main cop on the show knowing Misty.

We also get a conversation about Luke Cage in the second season. The finale also sees them head off to LA where there has been speculation that they might directly cross over with the Runaways.


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I could see the Swashbuckler carving its niche out as the dex-based martial class that gets a focus like pool of points for flashy swashbuckling antics. That seems distinct enough to warrant a new class.


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Well, we know what the minion trait does, so the issue is which of these three scenarios is most desirable-

1) Animal Companions have the minion trait.
2) Animal Companions are significantly less puissant and durable than player characters; they are likely to die in fights against same level opposition.
3) Animal Companion focused PCs essentially are twice as many characters as all the other players get.

4) The expected damage and versatility increase from Animal Companions is about the same as a similar feat or feature investment.

Or if we can't believe balance is possible, then outcome 2 isn't all that bad. I don't think ANY option should be viable all the time. If the level 12 Companion user has to be careful when stumbling upon an Adult Green Dragon, thats fine! Just like how a rogue doesn't get to sneak attack all the monsters in the book, or your choice of spells might fail against a monster with particular resistances/immunities etc.

5) There could be a pet class where almost all the power is in the pet (the pet can have 3 actions, and the "owner" gets 1). I call this the Lassie/Little Timmy solution.... The "owner" is pretty much there to talk to people (and interpret Lassie's actions).

If the "owner" dies, Lassie just finds a new one, the same way a ranger finds a new animal companion.

This. I would be honestly surprised if one of the first wave of classes wasn't a pet focused class. If your class is entirely based around a pet, you can have a stronger pet and build in more features without requiring class feats. The two main pet focused classes (excusing use of familiars and such) are also classes that can do a lot of other stuff. Druids as a class are also shapechangers AND 9th level casters, while rangers are combat oriented. For classes with multiple options available, it makes sense that these options be built so that a more focused class can be better at that one option.


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Is Ustalav part of the Eye of Dread?

I didn't get a chance to finish the Hobgoblin AP, but surprised that Azaersi survived with the artifact. Although as a huge Hobgoblin fan I am pretty happy that we got a Hobgoblin nation.


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Fantasy is still a thing, but pnp RPGs are so small a market that getting a license filmable is pretty much impossible. You have higher chances for a Settlers of Catan movie than you have of anything D&D related.

Uh...they have been actively developing a DnD movie for the last couple of years...Paramount has a release date of October 2021, even if not much is known currently.

DnD might be niche, but so is Shazam or the Eternals, and they are
or will get theatrical. Any IP with a smidge of recognition is getting turned into a movie.


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I was not aware of that. Too late to support the Tick, but good to know.

I work for a university, and while I think technically I could use my .edu address to get a student plan account, it would be dishonest.

They've also been cracking down on it...I used to use the .edu account of my old job (which advertised cheap Amazon Prime as a work benefit!), and last year they asked for documentation for graduation date or something.


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It's one year after the events of Infinity War, which means that yeah, it has to take place in an alternative reality

(Apparently the TV folks were not kept in the loop about the whole 5 year jump...They probably figured 1 year in the future would be sufficient).


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I think there is an avenue in PF2E to create a full focus point centered caster. The focus point system would be pretty easy to adapt to a spell point style/Psionics type of casting system.


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as a Kaiju fan, this movie was absolutely amazing. They went and did my boy Ghidorah good.

Folks, there is a major theatrical release featuring a giant three-headed space dragon. We truly live in a golden age of nerd-dom.


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I can't speak for anyone else but I think most peoples problem with Dany's turn isn't necessary because they wanted her to be a conventional heroine at the end of the show, but more to do with them being annoyed with how rushed her turn is and how it seems to exist solely to make Dany a pitch-black antagonist that needs to be stopped.

I feel like, in the shortened season, it felt like the writers felt the need to write everything in bold, and eliminate any ambiguity that might remain (as if they were writing Dany's action as over-the-top to address any fan outcry in advance, and kind of missed the point, IMO).

lack of subtlety has been a hallmark of the show for a very very long time, well before the last two seasons.


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Bloodline Perfection (Feat 20). Prereq: bloodline paragon. You gain an additional 10th-level spell slot.
That's an interesting little reveal. 10th level spells are apparently no longer feat gated.

Not sure about that. Any spellcaster of suitable level gets 10th level slots. However without investing a feat into a 10th level spell they can only use those slots for casting higher versions of lower level spells IIRC. This just means they get two extra slots at 10th level, but presumably if they burn there 20th level feat on this they won't get wish or equivalent spells?


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Roswynn wrote:

Sorry, Derry, I'm trying to think of a new class I'd like to see in the new edition but everything I'm able to think about is either reinterpretations of old classes or stuff I'd put into an archetype.

I think to some extent, what with the full rules not yet available,we are all at this point. There are going to be class concepts which look like they work as archetypes, but don't, and vice versa. There are probably whole areas of the design space that we don't quite appreciate it or notice yet. Until folks start playing with the full rules and trying things out, it's sort of hard to get a sense of what classes are needed.


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YES


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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
I know GRRM is still listed as executive producer, but I read that he said he wasn't going to be involved much this last season because He wanted to try and finish Winds of Winter. I wonder if not having Him there or Him writing an episode this season was a factor on the bad pacing this season.

It's almost entirely pacing. With ten episodes we would have gotten a much more organic finale, rather than one which feels like it's moving from one plot point to another because GRRM told them it would happen.


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I mean Bran is King...he can pretty much pardon anyone he wants, and its not like RoboBran has any major hang ups on honor and duty.


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It's weird that I thought the Supergirl season finale was actually more interesting than the GoT series finale....


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It was a solid show finale, for a season that was overall too rushed.

Bran being king sounds like a book plot point, but one that was undermined by how the showrunners basically turned him into a robot and the character with the least interest. are there Bran fans? I think pretty much ANYONE else would have probably gone over well.


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David knott 242 wrote:

One interesting idea would be based on the following understanding of the current situation: Daenerys is too dangerous to be allowed to live, but her Dothraki and Unsullied are too dangerous to be left leaderless in Westeros. So Jon will be agonizing about what to do, as action and inaction are equally dangerous.

This is where Arya steps in. She suggests that they pay Daenerys a visit and that she has a plan for dealing with the situation (a solution that she is very reluctant to implement -- but for the safety of her family and the rest of Westeros, she may have to do it). Jon meets with Daenerys, and things turn sour quickly. Jon and Arya are forced to kill Daenerys and whoever is guarding her in self defense.

As Jon looks down in horror at the corpse of Daenerys, uncertain how to deal with the now leaderless Dothraki and Unsullied, Arya takes on the appearance of Daenerys -- possibly permanently.

Alternatively Bran wargs Drogon and roasts Danaerys' forces, or convinces them to serve Jon.


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Yeah it was obvious he was trying to poison her, but I would agree with Irontruth that I am not sure anyone realized that

Varys out and out told to people that they should drop Daenerys and support Jon, both of which were still obviously loyal to her.


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Alex was great, but everything with Brainy was great this episode, and a twist I didn't see coming


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Thanos? I think we are suitably done with Thanos in the MCU


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I would still argue that the merger has nothing to do with this, and given the vast sums of money getting thrown to create streaming content, ATT was unlikely to go "oof...too expensive"

New Mutants is almost certainly a consequence over concerns it was going to be a flop more than anything else.

The downside of pumping out more content with less quality is that no one will subscribe. Streaming services are full of garbage...no one signs up for that, they sign up for the prestige shows. There is a reason that Disney+ is coming out of the gate with The Mandalorian, not 10 c-list Marvel character shows that have nothing to do with the MCU.


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archmagi1 wrote:
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So, you're saying that I shouldn't say it doesn't fit?

Well you can, but it seems unnecessary.

From what I've heard, Fumarole is spot on about her. It's just getting rushed because they are being told to wrap this s&$# up.

Hot Take: Season 7 was greenlit 6 months before the ATT buyout was announced. The shortened seasons 7&8 and fast tracked story are from on-high from ATT, as production costs they didn't want to inherit this past year. ATT has already shown since the finalization of the merger that they're wanting to move away from the high cost prestige sphere into more casual viewing originals for HBO, and ending the Game as soon as they took over was step one of ATT, third of its name, Breaker of DirecTV, Khaleesi of the 5GE, Queen of the Cingulars and of the Centennials and of the Qualcomms, Mother of Arbitration Clauses.

GoT is there number one show...rumors I have heard say that HBO was down for a full 10 seasons of the show. However it's doubtful the showrunners and cast would have gone along with it.


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yeah that is a big worry of mine going into phase 4. I hope future movies are not going to be judged by making Endgame profits.


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Dany's turn seems like something that will/would happen in the books, the difference being that the books would give a much slower build up, rather than what we got here. Here it seems less organic and more the showrunners going Well...time to check this box.


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Yeah I didn't like the episode overall, but staying positive Clegane Bowl was beautiful, and the fantasy eye candy was great.


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So...yeah....that escalated quickly...


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I think phase 4 is probably going back to lower stakes movies, if only because I think Marvel is currently in a transition period where they will need to figure out what exactly they are going to do with the Fox properties.


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David knott 242 wrote:
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I don't think we will be seeing multiclass dedications at first level. That kinda defeats the idea of them being "multiclass" IMO.

Why? It's not as though you're taking your 1st level in one class and your 2nd level in another class. Some character concepts require having abilities from two classes right from the start. Of course, game balance requires that the initial dedication feat not give you all of a class's 1st level abilities.

If a concept has to kick in from level one and can't be replicated, it's honestly better to just do a new class. I don't think the MC archetypes were created with the assumption that they will render every hybrid pointless. Certainly some existing PF1E classes will be easy to replicate, but others won't be, or at least not without a lot of work.


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I wonder if the new classes won't be arranged as part of the world guide line, with a class being debuted in the book which covers the part of the world where that class is most significant. So whatever book covers Irrisen gets witches, whichever book covers Sarkoris gets summoners, whatever book covers Ustalav gets inquisitors, whichever book covers Alkenstar gets gunslingers, etc.

Ehh...I think those books are maybe better suited for new versions of archetypes or prestige archetypes. Id rather see a less specific book with new classes, since you can be an inquisitor for the Asmodean church in Cheliax, a Nexian Summoner, or a Mwangi Witch.


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:

I don't know if this is the right thread to say it, book it's something close to a book request.

PLEASE! Don't make books under the assumption that "this was already covered in 1E".

There's a book about the many heritages of the aasimara, but all the rules in it are 1E rules, so I would certainly buy the 2E version of this book, even if all the flavor content in it is the same, as long as I can get 2E rules to run all those heritages in 2E adventures.

Don't make books thinking we can just refer to 1E books, or there's no need for a 2E at all.

I'm sure books like Race Guide, Equipment Guide, Magic Guide and others are going to be the priority given how young 2E is, but I hope to see Book of the Damned 2E Hardcover or a Realms of the Fey 2E World Guide, see books revisiting the classic monsters, dragons and giants, books talking about the planes and about horror or occult options.

Don't let 2E depend on 1E.

Given how much some books are dedicated to flavor text or potentially straight forward things to convert, I am completely the opposite. By all means, create PF2E material that brings over PF1E stuff, but the last thing I want to see is a series of books that are just rehashing the themes over and over. Mix stuff up!


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Anyone else watching this season?

The last episode was kick ass, and this season's big bad has to definitely be pretty far up there with one of the more vile and effective villains in the MCU. So so so looking forward to the Cloak and Dagger taking him down.


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Yeah...I think I recall reading somewhere that if Thanos "snapped" half of your symbiotic gut bacteria, that bacteria would be back to normal population levels in like an hour or something.


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Irontruth wrote:

From the Netflix side, I suspect that they would rather have more titles with fewer seasons than the inverse.

More titles means more splash cards for shows and more choices for viewership. Meanwhile additional seasons means an ever diminishing return on continued viewership.

Although my understanding is that shows like Friends and the Office are still the most watched shows on the service. I don't know how much of there owned original content really has the draw versus IP from other companies. And pretty much ALL of that is going away, as I think all of the major studios have announced creating there own streaming services


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That article itself is interesting. Looks like Marvel TV products may continue to be homed at Hulu (which Disney owns part of) in spite of the new Disney+ service. I got really annoyed with Hulu when it became subscription only when their original marketing suggested it was never going to be like that, but on reflection, I actually prefer what Marvel TV does over Marvel film. Yes, of course I've gotten deeply invested in the films too (although I feel a need for a long break after Endgame), but at a brush, I feel like the TV format lets us get to know the characters better and get more detailed comic-book like stories, serial format and all. Maybe after I cancel my Netflix subscription, I'll pick up Hulu instead. Besides I should be subscribing to the streaming service showing Agent Carter.

It also definitely sounds like once Netflix's two year grace period with the IP is up, Marvel TV has more plans for the Defenders characters.

Cloak and Dagger shows up next day and is well worth the watch. Runaways has been more hit and miss IMHO. I am excited for the Ghost Rider show that will be coming there.

I also find, at least on the horror movie front, the movie selection is a bit better, as far as non-original movies go.


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the Jessica Jones cancellation was what was sort of the breaking point for me on netflix...that whole service has gone downhill slowly but surely, at the same time as the service has been steadily increasing its monthly subscription fee. Despite being a nearly continual subscriber, I found that there were longer and longer periods when I didn't use the service. I will periodically resubscribe when stuff accumulates that I want to see (I expect I will return for Stranger Things in July), but it's not going to be something I keep on long term.


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If I were going to be using the Dothraki in the battle, I would have them wait at some distance and coming charging on the sides and rear, targeting the white walkers. Take out a single walker and you put down all the dead that individual personally raised, at least for a short period of time. Jon has seen the dead in action...he should have known that charging head along wouldn't work.

This week was just more personally aggravating, and sort of the straw that broke my suspension of disbelief. Your telling me that Varys had NO CLUE they were building giant ballista in mass and arming Euron's fleet? Seriously? I will finish off the series but I don't have much hopes it will be a satisfying end


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

MMCJawa,

Fun fact, in the first Spider-man cross over, it was Mysterio who was hounding Ultimate Spider-man Miles Morales when Peter Parker (616) shows up there. So...inklings of Spider-verse maybe?

Also I don't trust Mysterio to NOT be the bad guy.

Yeah...which is why I think the Multiverse angle COULD be true...comic book precedence.


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Well...I guess we will have to wait and see GotG 3 and see who is right...


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I mean he could still be the real villain AND from another universe


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If they were snapped back, then why did they fade away to dust and not just use some other effect?

Because with the reality stone you can make it look and feel however you want, and there's a poetic justice to it, and Stark's a poetic justice sort of guy.... and thus...

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And Tony...well after the crap Thanos did, Tony is certainly going to end him rather than send him back to his time.

....AND being a better a!$%+@%, Tony knows (by this theory, which is not my own) he is sending Thanos back to only ultimately, always have his goals subverted (by Bruce's first snap) is far a sweeter revenge than just ending him.

Also that way it creates one less branch timeline which as someone who understands the consequences of mucking around with quantum physics, he might try to do. 6 years older Tony seems to have a much better grasp of consequences than his younger self.

If he sends that Thanos back in time with the knowledge he will lose...than when he does get the gauntlet he is going to go forward with the revised plan of wiping everything out, not just half. Or making sure he individually goes and wipes out all the avengers one at a time without warning.

It just seems extra convoluted. And I don't think they really need to worry about a "conservation of realities", especially if they might be leaning into the multiverse in upcoming movies


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MMCJawa wrote:
Here's hoping that the next few movies kind of explore the post snap world.

Given just how tangled the implications are, I bet we never get into it beyond a few throwaway lines, maybe a villain or hero origin motivation here or there...

EDIT: if nothing else, the new Spiderman trailer sure seems to be glossing over the five-year timeskip part as hard and fast as it can.

I expect we will mostly get this in the Disney+ shows, which have 6-8 hours to explore this. I mean Falcon and Cap, at the very least, have to take place post un-snap.

Rumor has it that the Black Widow sequel is a prequel, but maybe it's a prequel that takes place post IW but pre-Endgame. That could also deal with things.


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at this point I am mostly in it for the little character moments and fantasy eyecandy than for the actual plot. Those elements and the acting are overall solid, but everything else is kind of meh.

Particularly the "Wouldn't Jon make a great king!" angle the show has been pushing. Jon takes after the Starks, and consistently makes the same sort of decisions that ultimately got Eddard and Robb dead. On top of that, Jon really hasn't gotten that much of a big heroic moment...he's lucky more than anything else


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I don't believe Gamora was brought to the present. I think either all of Thanos's forces, Gamora included, were either snapped back to their original time, or ended. Tony wouldn't have known Gamora to keep her, and if she had remained she would have been on earth, easily findable when Star Lord ran his search for her at the end of the movie. (But she was not showing up on his scan).

I think when and if Gamora returns in GOTG it will be a different way, perhaps because Thanos destroyed the soul stone--what happens to Soul World when the stone is no more?

If they were snapped back, then why did they fade away to dust and not just use some other effect? And Tony...well after the crap Thanos did, Tony is certainly going to end him rather than send him back to his time.

As for Gamora, Quill can be seen searching for her/tracking her when Thor boards the spaceship

Vision's death is pretty easy to get around though. He is a robot after all that was getting his neural net scanned right before dying.

Here's hoping that the next few movies kind of explore the post snap world.


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DeathQuaker wrote:

I don't believe Gamora was brought to the present. I think either all of Thanos's forces, Gamora included, were either snapped back to their original time, or ended. Tony wouldn't have known Gamora to keep her, and if she had remained she would have been on earth, easily findable when Star Lord ran his search for her at the end of the movie. (But she was not showing up on his scan).

I think when and if Gamora returns in GOTG it will be a different way, perhaps because Thanos destroyed the soul stone--what happens to Soul World when the stone is no more?

If they were snapped back, then why did they fade away to dust and not just use some other effect? And Tony...well after the crap Thanos did, Tony is certainly going to end him rather than send him back to his time.

As for Gamora, Quill can be seen searching for her/tracking her when Thor boards the spaceship


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you could also...not watch it?


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Chris Mortika wrote:

All of which is to say that, in the universe that began the movie, with cranky Tony and head-lopping Thor, everybody stays dead. Natasha dies so that an alternate universe can branch out. Moreover, *every* Avenger who went into the Quantum Realm just vanished from the original trunk-line and never returned. (They came back to a different branch.)

Yes?

Well, that's almost the most depressing thing I've heard today.

The most depressing thing is that, if the Ancient One is correct, then both the original time-line (in which Thanos destroyed the Infinity Stones) and the "time heist" timeline (in which the Avengers took the Infinity Stones) no longer have the stones' guidance corrections, and will both spiral out into chaos and woe.

Nope, the universe with the head lopping is the main universe, those folks got unsnappped. It's only when characters go back into the past is a new timeline created. The present still exists...bringing the stone to the present doesn't change anything.

At the very least, we currently have:

1 new timeline with Loki running around free, with the tesseract

1 new timeline with Cap going back in the past to be with Peggy,and presumably rescuing Bucky earlier and rooting out Hydra

1 new timeline where Thanos and his forces no longer exist, and Gamora has been brought to the present

Potentially, there are also new timelines from the 70's adventures and Ragnarok, although those changes could have been so minor to not really affect anything.


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There are also the Ceratoids (sp?), which are anglerfish folks and generally have anglerfish sexual biology, with parasitic males

although neither Formians nor the Anglerfish folk are playable races in Pathfinder.

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