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No need for unnecessary sarcasm. I'm simply speaking on behalf of those here that had asked if they'll provide a means for 2 gun wielders to reload. They promised yes, there'll be a feat. I have yet to find it, or anything like it, so far. So I'm simply asking since I am sure many people, including me, need a means to do so.It was likewise with Ultimate Magic. James quoted saying he was 99 percent sure there'll be a set of guidelines on how to expand the new spellcasting classes spell list with spells not from PF products, and they failed to put it in that book. Which may of us find important, too, since we do use Spell Compendium and other 3PP for spells
You don't get to speak against sarcasm when you're making thin vieled digs, mate.
Maybe the answer is to use a gun that holds more than one bullet in both hands?
And his answer to adding spells from non-PF products might just have been to add them in the book. I guess the idea is to remember that it's not the other game... That and 99 isn't 100
What you're saying is quite different than what they said. See, they practically guaranteed both elements I mentioned to be added to said products, but they were overlooked, strangely. I was merely pointing it out and pointing out, also, it's best for them not to make promises they can't keep.
His answer to UM was practically certain, so we customers have a right to show disappointment and ask for what we were told to be given as so. We do pay for this, after all.
Razz,
You do realize the books you were talking about in question are from OTHER companies?? Why on earth would they mention them in a book or books that Paizo puts out and not WotC, or some other 3pp product??Just because you mistakenly thought that someone had said that there was going to be mention of a spell list or means to add spells to existing lists such as the Witch and Summoner... does not make it so. No amount of Sarcasm or derision is going to change that. No company in their right mind is going to promote some other companies books in their own books, it is NOT good marketing sense... not to mention from ANOTHER edition.
BTW when speaking (or typing as the semantics apply), speak for YOURSELF only. You do not speak for others and are not the voice others might want to speak for them. Speaking for myself... I certainly would not want YOU to speak for me in any way shape or form.. so please keep- in mind when stating opinion or even fact... back it up.. not that you are speaking for me or anyone else but your own little self.
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so.....are they going to be out in the errata? or do the feats listed just not exist? at all if they are no longer valid feats can we get some substution feats? like stranglei am guessing the back breaker feat is really the neck breaker featI'm 90% sure that Crushing Embrace = Crushing Blow.
As for the Twin Lock, no idea...
Crushing Embrace was for extra damage on grapples and pins.
Twin Lock was, as someone guessed, for grappling two targets at once.
Backbreaker was... well, it was exactly what it says on the tin. :) A way to break something's back (i.e., permanent paralysis) if it all works, or at least to mess them up even if you don't get the full meal deal of spine-snappage.
We'll see if they turn up again someday... :)
Until and unless otherwise stated by the Paizo staff, they simply do not exist. As to what substitution there may be, that must wait for official errata from Jason, Sean, Stephen, or whomever else on the Paizo crew.
My unofficial suggestion is to simply replace them with bonus monk feat slots while you wait for the official answer to the question.
Gotta say, I'm really kinda pissed about this. Just got my copy, read over the Tetori, got frikkin excited and went to start working on the build for DragonCon PFS and..WTF!?!?!?
If this ever gets worked out Tetori will be my absolute favorite anything in Pathfinder of all time, if not , gotta say i might be a liiittle upset.
Can always homebrew some substitutes but I was really looking foward to usinng it for PFS.
Anyways thanks for the awesome archetype, even if it is only half finished.
Looks like a bit of bad luck here on my part as I've done all kinds of planning for my Tetori monk of which, I'll be playing next week. Hopefully there will be word on this soon as this class looks like it will be alot of fun to play when it's finished.
Wow. Completely botched the samurai and ninja classes. Two of my favourites now have become..............
Since I can't flag a review, I do this post and flag myself. I think more or less advertising illegal downloads is something that shouldn't be done in a review.Agreed, that is straight up bad form.
Flagged you as well for bad BBC formatting since there isn't an "Other" option. ;)
I've removed this review.
Two of my favourites now have become..............Who did what with the CW Samurai and CA Ninja now?
Sounds like someone actually played one of them sometime.
Only time I've used either was to give ninja levels to a blackball, and that was really just because it sounded cool.
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I've removed this review.Since I can't flag a review, I do this post and flag myself. I think more or less advertising illegal downloads is something that shouldn't be done in a review.Agreed, that is straight up bad form.
Flagged you as well for bad BBC formatting since there isn't an "Other" option. ;)
I so hope you don't keep a count on the flags on a posters name ;-)
Done both ninja and samuari
the ninja form 3.5 was so broken, the dm literally asked
me to stop
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At this rate we will soon have someone saying that Truenamer was the best designed class ever.
In other news...the review got reposted without the bad stuff, but the reviewer decided to knock a star off for his initial review being removed. Yay!
Somewhat ammusing that he claims removed for some reason (indicating he does not know why.) whilst at the same time it is very clear from his post that he knows full well why it was removed.
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Somewhat ammusing that he claims removed for some reason (indicating he does not know why.) whilst at the same time it is very clear from his post that he knows full well why it was removed.At this rate we will soon have someone saying that Truenamer was the best designed class ever.
In other news...the review got reposted without the bad stuff, but the reviewer decided to knock a star off for his initial review being removed. Yay!
HE MAD.[/cam'ron]
Can be dispelled suffering from blind for 1 round, gives saving throw and spell resistance.
Can be dispelled suffering from blind for 1 round, gives saving throw and spell resistance.
If you succeed on your spellcraft check to understand how the spell works, sure. Most opponents won't at 1st - 3rd level.
I also think it's pretty crazy to make a spell granting the whole party except 1 person concealment as a 1st level spell. Granted it's only vs 1 opponent and allows a save, but I'd still peg it as a 2nd level spell at least.
What about performance feats? Can you use in a normal combat or only when there's a crowd?
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Wow. Completely botched the samurai and ninja classes. Two of my favourites now have become..............Please, tell me that 3.5 Samurai and Ninja were great examples of class design, and that PF versions suck. I'm waiting for that with popcorn in hand.
Yeah, I expect that you will be waiting a long time.
On the other hand, I have run a PF ninja and a PF rogue at the same table. Both characters were extremely useful. Evasion definitely comes into play a lot.
The samurai ability to ignore critical hits against them is no slouch. Finally, a cavalier type other than hound master that is decent. I need to write a review of UC and UM. My scores will be a ways apart.
3.5 samurai sucks, sucked, and will suck forever.
3.5 ninja was good, but PF ninja is better.
Jury Rig
Target: one OBJECT of up to 2 lbs./level
Description:
When you cast this spell, a spectral force binds a broken weapon together, relieving the broken condition for a short time. While under the effects of this spell, an item with the broken condition suffers no adverse effects from that condition, and is treated as if it is not broken. The object regains no hit points, and damage can still destroy the object.
The target is one object, but the description, for the most part refers to weapons.
Can it be used on environmental objects - portcullis crank handles, fr instance? or is it specifically for broken weapons/equipment?
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Jury Rig
Target: one OBJECT of up to 2 lbs./levelDescription:
When you cast this spell, a spectral force binds a broken weapon together, relieving the broken condition for a short time. While under the effects of this spell, an item with the broken condition suffers no adverse effects from that condition, and is treated as if it is not broken. The object regains no hit points, and damage can still destroy the object.The target is one object, but the description, for the most part refers to weapons.
Can it be used on environmental objects - portcullis crank handles, fr instance? or is it specifically for broken weapons/equipment?
So long as the object in question falls within the 2 lbs./level limit, the spell should work.
Remember though that while all items can gain the broken condition, not all objects will suffer a mechanical penalty from it. A portcullis crank handle might work the same no matter whether it's broken or not (only ceasing to function once its been destroyed). Casting jury rig in this instance wouldn't make much sense.
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i am guessing the back breaker feat is really the neck breaker featI'm 90% sure that Crushing Embrace = Crushing Blow.
As for the Twin Lock, no idea...
Crushing Embrace was for extra damage on grapples and pins.
Twin Lock was, as someone guessed, for grappling two targets at once.
Backbreaker was... well, it was exactly what it says on the tin. :) A way to break something's back (i.e., permanent paralysis) if it all works, or at least to mess them up even if you don't get the full meal deal of spine-snappage.
We'll see if they turn up again someday... :)
So these are not feats then?
Not as of now, unless they have been added to the FAQ when I wasn't looking. They were intended to be feats but didn't make it into the final version of the book.
Is there any good suggestions of divulging Samurai of the shackles of being a second class cavalier? Or am I going to have to continue to slap dash modify ancient 3.0 classes from an out of date book in the vague hope of keeping them actually interesting?
If you want a really over-the-top (by Pathfinder standards) samurai -- one that can adventure on equal footing with the party cleric -- check out the one in Races of War, by Frank and "K" over at The Gaming Den.
Question for those who thought the Samurai in this book was worth the ink and space it was given.
How come?
Forgive me for coming into this a bit late but I kind of made the jump to Pathfinder samurai after a long run of still using the old Oriental Adventures/Rokugan samurai and all the old AEG modules to have L5R flavoring in my samurai (and ninja and shugenja and monks). Since a good deal of our campaigns take place in a world where contact with the oriental cultures is relatively common, I thought of getting this book in the hopes of finally updating some of the now very long in the tooth classes for the current edition.
I was actually rather disappointed in what I ended up reading. Especially after coming from the 'old school' of AEG flavored Oriental Adventure samurai into what was in essence a very disappointed cavalier cast off. I will admit that it IS a quantum leap ahead of the worthless non-AEG inspired samurai from 3.5 and it might be playable on a minimal level if they have never played Legend of the Five Rings or Sengoku or the such but as it looks, it was a complete disappointment.
Is there any good suggestions of divulging Samurai of the shackles of being a second class cavalier? Or am I going to have to continue to slap dash modify ancient 3.0 classes from an out of date book in the vague hope of keeping them actually interesting?
Do you have any specifics in mind of why it isn't good?
Khymerion, can you drop me an email? It's this name at gmail.com.
Well, there is a 3PP alternative in Paths of Power, by 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming, which offers the combat styles of Kenjutsu, Iaijutsu, Kyujutsu, and Sojutsu...
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Depending on how much 3.0 OA/L5R flavor you want, I would make a couple suggestions for you. First, consider a class variant that drops the mount for a bonded weapon similar to the blackblade magus, replacing references to arcana with resolve uses instead. Then write up Orders that mimic the Clan Schools you're wanting to copy - one that focuses on heavy weapons and heavy armor, for instance (call it the Order of the Wall), or one that focuses on quick draw and high initiative (the Order of the Perfect Strike). I've played around with that idea in my head a little, but I haven't actually sat down and hammered anything out yet.
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Pistolero: Is Pistol Training meant to replace Gun Training?
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I'll have you all know that Ultimate Wombat is a friend of mine, and he--oh, wait. Wrong thread. Sorry!
So, I'm confused about bullets...
Specifically advanced bullets.
Do I need to purchase a cartridge AND a bullet? or is it all in one package?
Furthermore why is the cartridge destroyed? the cartridge part of the bullet is typically the part that is ejected/stays in the gun depending on the weapon, so why couldn't you reuse some cartridges...
unless the cartridge is the entire bullet...
So, I'm confused about bullets...
Specifically advanced bullets.Do I need to purchase a cartridge AND a bullet? or is it all in one package?
Furthermore why is the cartridge destroyed? the cartridge part of the bullet is typically the part that is ejected/stays in the gun depending on the weapon, so why couldn't you reuse some cartridges...
unless the cartridge is the entire bullet...
#1 - No. A cartridge is a bullet wrapped in alchemically treated paper or cloth. It has its own bullet and black powder pre-rolled into it. So no, you do not need to buy any bullets.
#2 - All ammunition is destroyed upon a successful hit. It's part of the core rules. It applies to arrows, thrown weapons, crossbow bolts, everything. It's a rule that primarily exists so that players don't feel the need to waste game time rolling checks to recover ammo. Now, if you miss, you have a 50% chance to recover your ammunition if it's magical, as per the rules.
So, I'm confused about bullets...
Specifically advanced bullets.Do I need to purchase a cartridge AND a bullet? or is it all in one package?
Furthermore why is the cartridge destroyed? the cartridge part of the bullet is typically the part that is ejected/stays in the gun depending on the weapon, so why couldn't you reuse some cartridges...
unless the cartridge is the entire bullet...
#1 - No. A cartridge is a bullet wrapped in alchemically treated paper or cloth. It has its own bullet and black powder pre-rolled into it. So no, you do not need to buy any bullets.
#2 - All ammunition is destroyed upon a successful hit. It's part of the core rules. It applies to arrows, thrown weapons, crossbow bolts, everything. It's a rule that primarily exists so that players don't feel the need to waste game time rolling checks to recover ammo. Now, if you miss, you have a 50% chance to recover your ammunition if it's magical, as per the rules.
well my question specifically applies to metal cartridges. Paper cartridges would be destroyed - that makes perfect sense. but remember: the cartridge isn't the part that's fired - it's the part that contains the powder charge and holds the bullet.
if they're an all in one deal, I wish they would have been described as such, because the wording is rather confusing...
(also thrown weapons aren't lost or broken)
well my question specifically applies to metal cartridges. Paper cartridges would be destroyed - that makes perfect sense. but remember: the cartridge isn't the part that's fired - it's the part that contains the powder charge and holds the bullet.
if they're an all in one deal, I wish they would have been described as such, because the wording is rather confusing...
(also thrown weapons aren't lost or broken)
Thrown weapons aren't ammunition, they're thrown weapons. A tomahawk is considerably hardier and easier to spot than a bolt or arrow.
By my reading of the text, I'd say that you do have to buy metallic cartridges and bullets separately, simply because as stated in the PRD: "Metal Cartridge: These sturdier versions of alchemical cartridges serve as the ammunition for advanced firearms. They can hold either bullets or pellets." Bullets and pellets are sold independently, so strictly off how it's stated, it seems to imply that you can buy cartridges and then either bullets or pellets and combine them, sort of like buying vials and filling them with ink or potion later. I'd require a gunsmithing / Crafting check for that, though.
(also thrown weapons aren't lost or broken)
Thrown weapons aren't ammunition, they're thrown weapons. A tomahawk is considerably hardier and easier to spot than a bolt or arrow.
By my reading of the text, I'd say that you do have to buy metallic cartridges and bullets separately, simply because as stated in the PRD: "Metal Cartridge: These sturdier versions of alchemical cartridges serve as the ammunition for advanced firearms. They can hold either bullets or pellets." Bullets and pellets are sold independently, so strictly off how it's stated, it seems to imply that you can buy cartridges and then either bullets or pellets and combine them, sort of like buying vials and filling them with ink or potion later. I'd require a gunsmithing / Crafting check for that, though.
Not that I don't appreciate the input - but I'd like a word from one of the writers if they're available. The problem with the way it's written is that it says "Metal cartridges serve as amunition for advanced firearms. They can hold either bullets or pellets" which could be interpreted as "you purchase them with eitehr bullets or pellets in them" or "You must purchase bullets or pellets to put in them" which is where the point of confusion comes.
Cartridges are destroyed upon firing the gun - which means that they're implied to be the entire bullet, because in real life the cartridge is ejected, and some of the time can be used to craft more ammunition...
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Chain of Perdition
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCombat/spells/chainOfPerdition.h tml
How does this spell work exactly?
Does it attack a target automatically each round like Spiritual Weapon, or is it an action for the caster each round to attack with it?
If it attack automatically, can you choose the manuever each round, or is it a fixed manuever?
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What effect do damage reduction+defence bonus+new critical system have on game balance. In trying to get my head around it, and having run it for my team -- it looks to me like the opportunity to damage with conventional weapons is greatly decreased. Mainly because of damage reduction from armour, which does not effect magical attacks.
Am I reading this wrongly? Is there some effect that compensates for this?
Is it intended that the changes to called shots and criticals compensates for this?
I'd much appreciate some comment.
Kind regards
NimrodX
I'm a bit confused about the spellslinger.
It says that they get to take Read Magic and Detect Magic as 1st level spells (instead of cantrips)
and they need to forsake 4 schools because of "school of the gun"
I get that much.
But if they forsake Divination, do Detect and Read magic take up a level 2 spell slot? or are they exempt because they're technically cantrips?
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I'm a bit confused about the spellslinger.
You'll want to post it in the Rules Questions forum, where it's more likely to be seen by people who will be able to answer.