What I mean by this are archetypes and PrCs that are obviously meant to work together, even sharing the same or similar names. The only two examples I can think of are the Winter Witch archetype and PrC, and the Aldori Defender archetype and Aldori Swordlord PrC. Does anyone know off any others?
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I don't think they were intended to work together, but I think the Beastmorph Alchemist works particularly well with the Master Chymist (they're both about buffing Mutagens).
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Magaambyan arcanist the PrC came first, but the Magaambyan initiate arcanist archetype is meant to work with it I think.
There's several which are supposed to come off wizard if that's what you're after, cyphermage for a start. Dragon disciple is meant for sorcerers with the draconic bloodline, no question.
Razmiran Priest Sorcerer archetype and Razmiran Prestige Class were meant to work together, but it seems that in practice the archetype would be better without the prestige class.
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Some people recommand the Mounted Fury Barbarian with the Mammoth Lord. With the Ferocious Mount rage power, your mount can get the rage stat boosts. With Greater Ferocious Mount, it can benefit from other rage powers, such as Animal Fury to get a bite attack and/or Beast Totem to get 2 claw attacks. The Extra Rage Power feat might be required, but still.
I don't know if they were in any way designed for each other, but Divine Paragon Cleric and the Evangelist prestige class go together very well.
Divine Paragon-5/Evangelist-10 is my go-to Cleric...
Didn't know about the Razmiran stuff, thanks. Thanks also for the Mounted Fury/Mammoth Lord. I didn't put the Magaambyan stuff together because the archetype is supposed to be for those who are basically failed students, so it felt weird, but it does make sense. There's also the Evangelist archetype and Evangelist PrC.
I also didn't know about the Stargazer, nice, though I think it's more intended for arcane spell-casters since it has d6 HD. It's not really on topic, but I've always thought Divine Scion was a straight upgrade from Cleric. The only thing you lose is channel energy, which becomes increasingly useless after 5th level anyway. Of all the classes, Clerics seem to be the ones that get no class features at all as you level, so they can be a great canvas to draw on for other things. Of course the Divine Paragon and Evangelist (or Divine Scion) cleric could work also.
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Channel Energy isn't COMPLETELY worthless if you build it to Bleed and Daze your enemies instead of that lame Positive Energy healing nonsense.
But you're absolutely right, Cleric has A LOT of dead levels... like all of them except the first.
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Not quite, level 8 (or sometimes 6) has new domain powers. So they have 2 non-dead levels (sometimes 3).
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Warrior Poet Samurai into Devoted Muse.
You get finesseable glaives for free, the ability to feint as part of a move action or spring attack, and you get to add your Cha to your AC twice (once as an untyped bonus, once as a dodge bonus).
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"Blade Adept Arcanist + Eldritch Knight! Not good enough? Well, combine it with 1 level of Spiritualist Phantom Blade for spell combat and VMC Magus! Take broad study at the 7th level! Now enjoy being a Magus with 9th levels spells and burn those slimes!"
"Wait a minute! But can you have a phantom blade AND a black blade?"
"Well that's a gray area, my good friend. There aren't rules that say that you can't, so technically yes. But remember that your Master has the last word, and if he says YES you can become one of the most powerful gishes on Golarion!"
P.s.: ABSOLUTELY not recommended for low-mid level campaigns.
P.p.s.: With the Mythic Rules you can take Freedom of Components (Somatic) and wear an armor without spell failure!
P.p.p.s.: BURN THE SLIMES!
Erm,
Be an Eldritch Knight.
Make your Fighter Archetype Titan Fighter. Use a Sledge Hammer, and take Shikigami Style Feats.
Create a Colossal Statue. Cast Possess Object and, animating the statue, wield a Colossal Sledge Hammer that is 1 Size Bigger. Cast Enlarge Person so it is yet another size bigger, and Shikigami Style Feats give you 3 Virtual Size increases?
Assuming it's even legal to theoretically go beyond the FAQ Size Chart, then that would give you 28d6 Damage/hit as base Damage. I guess this would be a good candidate for Vital Strike Feats...
"Well, that surprised me! It's indeed a powerful strategy my friend. But where is the flavor to cast a Meteor Swarm while make all your attacks in the same round?
I think that I will remain with the first choice. Still you gave me a good suggestion! I'm sure that a similar effect can be made for a one hand weapon too!"
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This spell functions as magic jar, except you transfer your mind to a single object, animating it as if using animate objects, except your mind controls the object as if it were your own body. You cannot speak or cast spells while possessing the object.
An animated object is not a humanoid type creature. You control it, but its still not a valid target
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Also the horizon walker PrC is basically an alternate mid-high level progression for the ranger, and the scar seeker appears to be designed to work with a paladin. The arrowsong minstrel bard archetype is designed to work with the arcane archer which preceded it. An argent dramaturge is explicitly intended for bards. Brother of the seal (arf! arf!) is intended for monks.
Since people have moved off the subject of the OP now I'll mention a few classes/prestige classes which have synergy but clearly aren't designed to work together.
A fighter slowed by their heavy armor and with feats to burn gets more out of a shadowdancer's teleportation and finds the PrC easier to enter than the rogue it was probably designed for. A fighter/shadowdancers' summoned shadow is tougher than a rogues too.
That same argent dramaturge intended for bards is better with a full spellcaster with some bardic performance - an evangelist cleric especially.
I don't know that a brewkeeper is intended for wizards particularly but it works best for them. Better than an alchemist certainly. You could say the same of the Thuvian alchemist PrC.
Veiled illusionist is great for clerics, but I suspect it was intended for some skill-based class or multiclass.
The only problem with living monolith is the garbage feats required to take it
in theory you could spend 10k on a stone and implant it in yourself to save on at least one of the two feats required for the class.
Iron Will gets you access to Familiar Bond, which makes it a little less of just a feat tax... if you are into familiars, at all.
Plus, this is PF1... EVERYTHING has a feat tax. Gotta pay to play around here. For everyone that doesn't want to deal with feat taxes, 5e is being played over at the kid's table. Lol.
PS. I really enjoy 5e, so don't start.
I don't think they were intended to work together, but I think the Beastmorph Alchemist works particularly well with the Master Chymist (they're both about buffing Mutagens).
I know it's weird but I don't actually think that those are types are meant to be used with those PrCs.
It was stated early but, Evangelist 10, Winter Witch PRC 1. works great.
Is that EVANGELIST / WINTER WITCH?
Or EVANGELIST / WINTER WITCH?
Since the first of those doesn't meet prereqs Mr Charisma, it must be the second.
I know, I was just trying to be clever =P (Temperans actually said which was the prestive class)
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Imo, prestige classes are what you take when you multiclass. Since you're giving up high level progression from your multiple classes, prcs are the way to get that back.
So you don't just go ranger 6/horizon walker. You do something like warden ranger3/true primitive bbn 1/gunslinger commando 2/horizon walker, so you already have 4 favored terrains going in to the prc. Then at level 9 when you get your first terrain dominance, instead of +8 you're looking at +14 to hit and damage against anything native to your chosen terrain (+16 with boots of friendly terrain).
Chernasardo Warden 8, Evangelist 6, Any class (preferably ranged).
Sanguine Angel stacks with Fighter Armor Training.
Heritor Knight stacks with Fighter for Weapon training and feats, while also giving tons of cool effects. (Also Vital Strike with Cleave is great).
Divine Tracker Ranger is perfect start to that Chernasardo Warden/Evangelist combination.
Also, five levels of Vanilla Fighter can make use of both Sanguine Angel AND Heritor Knight, which share prerequisite feats/alignment. Maintains D10 hit dice and full BAB all the way through. Probably end up with Vanilla Fighter-5, and
Sanguine Angel-8/Heritor Knight-7 at level 20.
I don't know that a brewkeeper is intended for wizards particularly but it works best for them. Better than an alchemist certainly. You could say the same of the Thuvian alchemist PrC.I was actually talking about whether Brewkeeper would be more fun for a Wizard or an Alchemist with someone today. What makes you say it's better for a Wizard?
I like the Wizard angle more myself, but alchemist bombs + Harmful Homebrew looks fun.
First brewkeeper advances spells or extracts but not other class features. It definitely doesn't advance bombs. Alchemists are 6-level spellcasters so get less out of advancing their extracts than a wizard gets out of advancing their spells.
Then there's the prestige class chassis: two good saves, 3/4 BAB. A wizard gets a benefit from this, for an alchemist it's business as usual. At entry an alchemist has +3 BAB, a wizard +2 BAB so there's not much continuing advantage from the alchemist's start.
The bombs that an alchemist has by the time they enter the class can work with harmful homebrew, true. But since they're stuck at 3d6 damage and 1/round (fast bombs comes 3 levels too late) they're not that much better than bought splash weapons (Artokus' fire is 2d6 damage, 1d6 damage next round for example). And of course a wizard gets much better touch spells to add harmful homebrew to.
Distilled spells is just a feat (infusion) to an alchemist, but it's a new trick to a wizard.
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This will seem weird, but playing it was fun.
Spell Specialist(Arcanist) with a focus on Transmutation. You can now spontaneously cast spells without preparing them. why is this important?
Dragon Disciple. The prerequisige is NOT spontaneous casting, but casting without preperation. Before Arcanist came along that was largely the same thing.
Dragon Disciple says if you dont have the Draconic Bloodline that you gain it.
Bloodline Development(arcanost exploit) says if you get a Bloodline you get to stack your arcanist levels with it.
Between my Dragon Disciple stat buffs and the stat buffs from Eldritch Heritage(Orc bloodline) and Monstrous Physique spells my +1 Impact Greataxe(proficiency from half-orc) was scary. :)
This will seem weird, but playing it was fun.
Spell Specialist(Arcanist) with a focus on Transmutation. You can now spontaneously cast spells without preparing them. why is this important?
Dragon Disciple. The prerequisige is NOT spontaneous casting, but casting without preperation. Before Arcanist came along that was largely the same thing.
Dragon Disciple says if you dont have the Draconic Bloodline that you gain it.
Bloodline Development(arcanost exploit) says if you get a Bloodline you get to stack your arcanist levels with it.
Between my Dragon Disciple stat buffs and the stat buffs from Eldritch Heritage(Orc bloodline) and Monstrous Physique spells my +1 Impact Greataxe(proficiency from half-orc) was scary. :)
I like this.
Master summoner/ blackfire adept legions of dark force for you to command (or be killed)
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But an Arcanist does have to prepare spells, to be able to cast them spontaneously.
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Dragon Disciple. The prerequisige is NOT spontaneous casting, but casting without preperation. Before Arcanist came along that was largely the same thing.
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The aforementioned Spell Specialist archetype is the loophole... not the Arcanist, in general.
Vivisectionist/Wizard into Arcane Trickster, especially with Accomplished Sneak Attacker.
Would you continue Wizard or Vivisectionist after Arcane Trickster? I know that's a silly question, as the obvious answer is probably Wizard.
However, I find Vivisectionist to be a really fun archetype, and picking up more levels in Alchemist is certainly appealing. To me, at least.
I really like the Sandman Bard for Arcane Trickster, especially with VMC Rogue... end up with 11D6 Sneak Attack at level 20. Grab standard Caster's Tattoos and make sure you have these traits:
... Maestro of Society
... Two World Magic (Acid Splash)
... Vagabond Child (Disable Device)
... Umbral Unmasking (Drawback)
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Dragon Disciple. The prerequisige is NOT spontaneous casting, but casting without preperation. Before Arcanist came along that was largely the same thing.
{. . .}But an Arcanist does have to prepare spells, to be able to cast them spontaneously.
Ah, gotcha. How did I forget that archetype? It's one of the original ones, and not too shabby even on its own.