
Husserl |
So, if I understand it well, than in case of my tiger charging an opponent using Pounce (Ex), my tiger has
following attack routine :1 bite - as part of a full attack action (f.e. roll - hit)
1st claw - as part of a full attack action (f.e. roll - hit)
2nd claw - as part of a full attack action (f.e. roll - fail)
1st rake - as part of a full attack action (f.e. roll - hit
2nd rake - as part of a full attack action (f.e. roll - fail)So then, If a tiger succesfully hits with f.e. bite and 1st claw it initiates Grab (Ex) as a free action for both succesfull hits?
Which attempt goes first?Suppose it doesnt matter,
So then, If a tiger chooses to Grab check first with f.e. bite and he is succesfull, than
both attacker and defender gets grappled condition,It doesnt stop full attack, yes? ...
So, the second Grab check with 1st claw is unnecessary, when a tiger hits with a bite,
So If tiger doesnt succesfully made Grab check with a bite, than it still can make Grab check with the 1st claw, yes?
So what If my tiger rolled first Grab check for the 1st claw, which was succesfull,
can still my tiger roll for Grab check with his bite?Why do I ask, because for tiger is better to Grab and Hold with bite than claw, it can do more damage in the 2nd rd ... or
it doesnt matter because he can make grapple damage option to do damage with natural attack ... lets say his bite ...We follow,
My tiger and opponent have grappled condition
Grappled opponent as a secondary grappler decides to make full attack with a dagger he is holding
ok
2nd round
My little tiger as a primary grappler uses his standard action to maintain grapple, and it succeeds ! (combat maneuver check - roll - hit)
It means that my tiger deals automatic damage with bite, the attack with which he succesfully made Grab in the first round,
and as a part of a standard action it chooses .... ehm ... lets say ... damage option .. and it deals damage with 1st claw or 2nd claw,
doesnt matter, they are...
You are wrong.
The attack routine for your charging tiger (dire) should be as follows:first round:
1. attack (bite) – if hits, he can initiate the grapple as a free action (and both tiger and his oponent gain the grappled condition)
2. attack (claw)with -2 penalty to hit (because of grappled condition)
3. attack (claw)with -2 penalty to hit (because of grappled condition)
4. attack (rake)with -2 penalty to hit (because of grappled condition)
5. attack (rake)with -2 penalty to hit (because of grappled condition)
Note that the attacks 2-5 could be made solely because they are natural attack (because ofgrappled condition). As is shown above, it is preferable, to initiate grapple with the last claw attack (you do not suffer the penalty to hit for the first three attacks). So it really matters, on which attack you initiate grapple.
second round:
1. Standard action for maintain the grapple - but without any automatic damage because your tiger has not the constrict special attack.
2. As a part of standard action used to maintain the gapple your tiger may choose the damage option. The damage dealt should be equal to your natural attack (ie. bite, because your tiger si grappling by means of his maw).
3. In addition to the standard action, the tiger can make two extra claw attacks (rolls) (becaouse of rake special attack)