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Precise Shot requires Point-blank Shot to take. Medium Armor can probably wait to later level - at first level with 1d6 x 10 gp you will hardly be able to afford medium armor - you could take Hide but anything else is probably out of your reach.
I wonder if there are Wood and Metal Kineticists in Tian-Xia? Fiber- and Ferrokineticists?
I think that kinetic weapon conundrum could be solved by saying that it just allows making kinetic blast attack without provoking attacks of opportunity or something like that and explicitly represent 'taking form of weapon' as visual effect only.
I wonder if there are Wood and Metal Kineticists in Tian-Xia?
Metal is already covered as a branch of terrageokineticism.
Metal is already covered as a branch ofterrageokineticism.
Ah, dang. Hadn't gotten that far yet. Still... I like the term "ferrokineticist." :D
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Metal is already covered as a branch ofAh, dang. Hadn't gotten that far yet. Still... I like the term "ferrokineticist." :Dterrageokineticism.
Wouldn't work. Ferro derives from Latin, and Kineticist names except for terrakinetic (which I get the feeling is becoming geokinetic) are Greek. This is an important enough issue to cause much rustling of jimmies. Ferro also doesn't refer to metal in general, but to the presence of certain types of iron.
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Can we get a kineticist only precise shot feat? I really believe it cuts a lot of posibilities when you feel forced to play a human when you wanna play a kineticist
I would consider building in Precise Shot like ability into kinetic blast itself (do not suffer -4 penalty for shooting into melee).
Yea. Having to burn two feats, as is now, is kind of iffy, and even one seems taxy when it's the class's specialty.
Is there any reason they shouldn't get multiple attacks with their blasts? It seems wrong that they don't get to do that.
Judging from its spell level and burn cost Entangling infusion should have prerequisite of having 6th kineticist level. I think it should be also a viable option to telekineticists to represent using telekinesis to immobilize foes.
EDIT: Yup. Both Earth and Water elements list Entangling as 6th level infusion. It's just a missing line form the infusion description.
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Is there any reason they shouldn't get multiple attacks with their blasts? It seems wrong that they don't get to do that.
Because the blast damage (especially once you get composite blasts) is insanely high.
Although, something which allows you to make multiple attacks, at the cost of of lower damage and no added infusions, could be doable.
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Can we get a kineticist only precise shot feat? I really believe it cuts a lot of posibilities when you feel forced to play a human when you wanna play a kineticistI would consider building in Precise Shot like ability into kinetic blast itself (do not suffer -4 penalty for shooting into melee).
This method would also help prevent people dipping just for Precise Shot.
I just noted that there is contradiction between wild talents and elemental defense. The wild talents claim that elemental defense are treated as spells with spell level equal to half the kineticist level... But elemental defenses in both the feature and description of each element are marked as supernatural, not spell-like abilities.
I just noted that there is contradiction between wild talents and elemental defense. The wild talents claim that elemental defense are treated as spells with spell level equal to half the kineticist level... But elemental defenses in both the feature and description of each element are marked as supernatural, not spell-like abilities.
Good catch. I believe the ones you get at level 2 should all be Su, and the ones you pick up later if you want should all be Sp.
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Is there any reason they shouldn't get multiple attacks with their blasts? It seems wrong that they don't get to do that.Raw damage. The build I posted (at the top of this page) is hitting an average of 88+Con per shot. That'll be duly reduced by DR and elemental resistances, but it's still a /lot/ of bang.
Your build at the top of the page also uses you getting a -3 burn to composite blast add-ons due to form infusion specialization, something that doesn't work at all.
I just noted that there is contradiction between wild talents and elemental defense. The wild talents claim that elemental defense are treated as spells with spell level equal to half the kineticist level... But elemental defenses in both the feature and description of each element are marked as supernatural, not spell-like abilities.Good catch. I believe the ones you get at level 2 should all be Su, and the ones you pick up later if you want should all be Sp.
At first I though that I might missed something but the Wild Talent feature refers to 'defense wild talents' and the same term is used in elements description when referring to elemental defense... Probably after we finish playtest there should be some editing done, maybe fixing the wild talent term specifically to refer to selectable abilities and not basic blasts or elemental defenses.
Wouldn't work. Ferro derives from Latin, and Kineticist names except for terrakinetic (which I get the feeling is becoming geokinetic) are Greek. This is an important enough issue to cause much rustling of jimmies. Ferro also doesn't refer to metal in general, but to the presence of certain types of iron.
All true, but it is still a fairly commonly used (if imprecise) term in sci-fi.
In any event, now that I've had more of a look-see at the Kineticist, I think there is certainly still room for both Wood and Metal, perhaps as archetypes, if not full-blown "sub" types. I really like the idea of a fibrokineticist entangling an enemy in their own clothing ("Say- I really like that tunic. That wouldn't happen to be made from cotton, would it?" ZOIKS!)
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Wanted to hop in and throw my $.02 in,
- Thank you, Mark for the awesome class, this definitely has me excited for Occult Adventures
- Kineticist really needs 4 skill points
- Geokineic sounds awesome :D
Peter
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I don't suppose we can get an archetype that turns you into a elemental outsider at some point? Much like Elemental Savant from 3.5's Complete Arcane.
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First I love this class.
But I have criticisms on it.
1. Syntax of the play test is terrible. it does not provide enough information when needed and leaves too much room for misinterpretation.
We are in need of clear and concise instructions during the combat phase. We need to know more limits on the abilities, like how many times per day, or does this apply to this, etc.
2. Burn, i hate to say this, but i have a professor that likes pathfinder. He is an English professor. He thought a 2 year old could do better that this, and i have to agree, without all the exaggeration.
3. There need to be tables for damage and elemental combinations. Bring in more tables it will help clarify. Or a chart like Aristotle circle of elements.
4.Geo instead of Terra, full BAB, 4+ int modifier for skill scaling, otherwise this class has no role-playing ability what so ever out of combat.1D10 hit die, 1D8 is way to small and can make the class unplayable for higher levels.
5. Do the blasts need a source? like needing a stream nearby to do anything as a Hydro-kinticist? This class can potentially shape the battlefield so some of the spells like an earth wall for example need to be permanent or until destroyed.
6. name changes
strain instead of burn
kinetic/psyche/continuity talent instead of wild talent.
augment instead of infusion
Is there anything that helps the Kineticist overcome Energy Resistance/Immunity?
Since you can't add weapon enhancements to your blasts and the kineticist has medium BAB, the accuracy of non-touch blasts might be a problem.
Any chance we see an unarmed/unarmored archetype of this class (Preferably one that is simple, not one that trades iconic class)? I would love to make a bender without having to multiclass into Monk.
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So, this class is grade A awesome. My only question is this. What evil alignment was Azula?
*flies away on fire jets*
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So, this class is grade A awesome. My only question is this. What evil alignment was Azula?
*flies away on fire jets*
Waaaay too duplicitous to be Lawful Evil - she never played by any rules other than self-interest. By the end she was certainly chaotic evil, though her machinations were more calculated at the start. I'd say she went from NE to CE.
It seems like a huge design change to veer away from burn now but I think a pool of points similar to a magus with which to augment would probably have been simpler and less debilitating for the character.
The move action reduction in burn will help so I will report back having actually played the mechanic, this is all based on first impressions for me.
Yeah, give it a whirl and let me know. I'm really interested in hearing what you find out! Remember that, as a starting point, using Con as your casting stat means you have a lot more hit points than the back line usually does before you start burning. I know there have been a lot of times in S&S where our front-line has been pretty low, with Eram whistling in the back with plenty of health to spare in case something got in his face, despite his burn.
The intent is for burn to be pretty meaningful. Like "Oh man, I'm pushing myself. This is going to hurt, but I want it that badly" rather than "Eh, I've got 5 more in my pool. Whatevs, let it burn!" Also, Feel the Burn gives you some incentive to spend at least a little burn. Eram has gotten a lot of leverage out of those to-hit and damage boosts.
Whatevs, let it burn!
Playing catch up on the thread when I came across this and couldn't resist.
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It's admittedly just theorycrafting at this point, but I feel the Kineticist does not hold up well against the gunslinger.
Kineticst has medium BAB and has the difficult choice of targeting normal AC, or targeting touch but having to put up with spell and energy resistance. Gunslinger has full BAB and targets touch without SR or energy resistance.
Individual kinetic blasts deal more damage, but guns get iterative attacks and rapid shot, and then there's the Dead Shot deed.
Only earth blasts gets the ability to bypass DR/material, but not till level 6, a Gunslinger will likely be buying or crafting bullets of the appropriate material before that. There is no Kineticist equivalent to the Oil of Bless Weapon for that pesky alignment DR. Maybe Hydrokineticists should get a holy/unholy water infusion.
Kineticist has 2 skill points per level, Gunslinger has 4.
Kineticist has d8 HD and will probably be causing himself some nonlethal damage over the course of the day, gunslinger has d10 HD and will likely not be stupid enough to let his gun blow up in his face.
I'll definitely echo that they could use more skill points and possibly either better BAB or have the option of a blast that deals physical damage but targets touch.
I'll have more feedback as soon as I can decide between earth and water as my next PC's element, as it's still my favorite class from the playtest.
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The problem I see is that the penalties from burn are so disastrous that it's less "This is going to hurt, but I want it that badly" and more "I'm only going to accept burn for things that give significant long term benefits". I'd take burn to be able to use elemental form iv all day. I would not take burn to do more fire damage that's likely going to be resisted in some capacity. Chopping off huge amounts of your healthbar needs to come with a pretty massive benefit to be worth it.
Aside, their accuracy kinda sucks. That's fine when you're making touch attacks, but at high levels you're going to start looking at only around ~50% hit rates, which is pretty bad when you're doing relatively small chunks of damage (compared to archers and other martials) that really should be more reliable.
The problem I see is that the penalties from burn are so disastrous that it's less "This is going to hurt, but I want it that badly" and more "I'm only going to accept burn for things that give significant long term benefits". I'd take burn to be able to use elemental form iv all day. I would not take burn to do more fire damage that's likely going to be resisted in some capacity. Chopping off huge amounts of your healthbar needs to come with a pretty massive benefit to be worth it.
Aside, their accuracy kinda sucks. That's fine when you're making touch attacks, but at high levels you're going to start looking at only around ~50% hit rates, which is pretty bad when you're doing relatively small chunks of damage (compared to archers and other martials) that really should be more reliable.
If accuracy is an issue, and based off of my theorycraft build above I do believe it is, perhaps full BAB would help?
As for burn, maybe drop them to d6 hit die and give them a mana pool.
Probably, yeah. If burn dealing large chunks of unrecoverable damage is a mechanic that's going to stick around, a larger hit die would make that a lot more bearable as well.
When hitpoints are your primary resource... you should probably start with more hitpoints than other people get, unless the goal is to have a very fragile but very powerful class.
Probably, yeah. If burn dealing large chunks of unrecoverable damage is a mechanic that's going to stick around, a larger hit die would make that a lot more bearable as well.
When hitpoints are your primary resource... you should probably start with more hitpoints than other people get, unless the goal is to have a very fragile but very powerful class.
If mana is not an option I would agree. D10 or D12 is in order if we are burning HP. I would lean towards 12.
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This is the most excited i have been for a class in a long time. My thoughts are all over the place, but I put some of them down to hear peoples feedback.
Quite a lot of this seems to stem from the warlock class form 3.5. There currently isn’t a class out there that can through around blasts of energy all day every day, ala eldritch blast, and this seems to fill that niche. The Burn mechanic resembles the wilder ability to get more out of their psychic powers by taxing themselves, and also allows for abilities that can’t be balance with at will use, giving the class some expendable resources. Flavour wise, I’m feeling a lot of Avatar: the last Airbender. Especially in abilities like earths Kinetic Cover, a classic Earth bender move of throwing up an earth barrier to block attacks. (Incidentally, it would be great to get this as an immediate action at some point. Maybe with a big burn level to balance it. I love the flavour of blocking a disintegrate spell by throwing up an earth barrier. )
Before I go into the next part, I want to make it very clear that I absolutely love this class. It oozes flavour from every pore, and the huge community response is evidence that this is an idea people are very keen for. I adore this class, and can easily see myself playing multiple different characters with different elements . The following is feedback targeting the mechanical aspects of the class, with the understanding that it is entirely theoretical, and based on a class with no feat/magic items support, which can make all the difference (see slashing/fencing grace, Deadly aim, power attack etc).
Skills: 2 skills is low. Not sure if that is a huge issue, would be interested to see what the play experience is. In terms of the skill list, the oracle gets a lot more skills for its mystery which is (arguably) a smaller part of the oracle class than the element choice is for the kineticist. I would have thought 4-6 additional skills would nicely flesh out the skills list, maybe like what follows:
Force- Heal, Slight of hand, Knowledge (Engineering), disable device (maybe, would be powerful)
Fire: Acrobatics, perform, intimidate, ride, Escape artist
Water: Heal, diplomacy, swim (duh), perception,
Air: Fly, Bluff, Acrobatics, stealth,
Earth: Appraise, Sense motive, climb, Knowledge (dungeoneering), Knowledge (geography)
The social skills especially reflect the fundamental nature of the elements (again, avatar flavour). Fire has intimidate, big and brash, effective but with disregard to the long term consequences. Earth with sense motive, quiet and contemplative. Air with bluff, fey and prone to whimsy and flights of fancy. Water, seeking balance and harmony, would tend towards diplomacy. And force gets… handle animal? Well I guess they can literally pick them up with their minds if that counts.
Elements: As an avatar fan, I would be keen to see water get in on the healing action. Not a big deal, but I think it would be cool.
Burn: I think this mechanic works okay. Im not sure about having many different types of damage is great from a book-keeping angle. Maybe just flat out dropping your current and maximum health by a slightly smaller amount would be easier?
I also second the Geo-kineticist. Geomancy and geomancers are more common terms than terramancy, and terra has a whole bunch of other stuff tied up into it. Geo is simpler and more distinct from telekinesis than terrakinesis is.
Ideas- Magic item like amulet of mighty fists- more expensive than the magic weapon, but gives the class somewhere to sink gold and improve that mid/late game accuracy fall-off.
Maybe an alternative to Deadly aim. Take a damage penalty to increase accuracy? Reduce the damage dice maybe? If all you get each round is a single ranged attack, it really sucks to miss. It can be massively disheartening to players, and damage their engagement with the combat if all they do is “roll to hit. Miss. Next”.
Looking at the statistics already posted regarding damage/accuracy over the level progression, the touch attacks are somewhat binary (touch AC doesn’t change much, but resistances/immunity becomes more common) leading to them being either entirely on or off. Playing and DMing blasters who fully specced into one element or another, this isn’t a new feature, entirely unique to the class. But sorcerers that go full fire explosion awesomeness for their blasting can always fall back onto buffing the team, de-buffing the enemy or such. The keneticist doesn’t have that grab bag of other abilities, especially not at mid/low levels. As a fire kineticist, if they are immune to fire, you have extremely limited options.
An option to combat this in a nonlinear way might be some sort of channelled ability that lets you concentrate each round to boost your team in some way, kinda of like aspect of the badger. Grant bonus to AC for earth, dodge bonus for air, movement speed for fire, swim speed for water etc. This class doesn’t have many options outside of direct combat, so opening that up would make being poorly suited to particular enemies less crushing. At higher levels, it could grant a more impressive ability: Haste for fire, fly speed for Air, DR for Earth, fast healing for water (Again, this is Avatar flavour), Deflect arrows for Force.
With the non-touch attacks, they scale better, sort of, as creature don’t tend to have immunity to weapon damage. Earth can get past most DR with their metal power, but apart from that, the class is in trouble. They can’t make use of golf bagging like fighters, weapon blanches or arrow heads of different metals like a ranger can. They can’t prepare different element types like a wizard, or smite like a paladin. They can’t even benefit from spells like versatile weapon to overcome the DR. whilst they do deal strong damage, I am not sure how well this works in combatting the problem.
An example- In a recent PFS scenario, the enemies have hardness 10. This has proven, if the forums/product review is anything to go by, to be a massive issue for many players. Hardness is very difficult to overcome, and the size of the reduction was more than halving people’s damage in many cases. Without the adaptability of golf bagging/alchemical items/team buff spells, I worry that the Kineticist could have the same problem with every creature that has DR/hardness.
At the end of the day, this class is focused on the elemental blast as the warlock was focused on eldritch blast. Eldritch blast was hardly overpowering in 3.5, and always targeted touch AC with damage only preventable by spell resistance (with an infusion that entirely bypassed SR if that was a problem). Given this, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to give the non-touch attack powers some way to boost their accuracy. The rest of the warlocks powers were, as with the kineticist, broken up into either blast modifying the blast, or random utility stuff.
The utility stuff was very cool, with things like at will invisibility, flight, swarm form and such. Even simple ones that gave flat bonuses to skills. It would be great to get some more non-blast based powers that let the class still do something cool when the blast wasn’t viable. If you have a cool plan B, then having Plan A not work is a lesser issue. So my conclusion at the end of this poorly though through (and poorly spelled) rant is that I think the problems with blast accuracy/damage/immunity etc would be less of a big deal if the class has a cool plan b option awarded by default to allow you to still feel awesome, even when you’re a flame thrower up against a fire elemental, without just changing the element of your blast.
Thanks for reading to the end, you brave/foolish few who bothered, and I look forward to trying this class out this weekend!
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On the issue of the energy resistance/immunity, what about poaching the Unnatural Cold/Unearthly Cold ability from the Winter Witch prestige class? Making it an option for the elemental kineticists seems kind of thematic for them.
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There is some major problems with the unfinished and under-realized themes and characterization that is meant to define the Kineticist Class. Also some deeply ingrained contextual issues.
Exposition of the Kineticist Class is not supported or made evident through its class abilities:
"Delve into the mystery on their own to control their gifts." Making little sense as the Kineticist has control of his (or her) gifts from 1st level.
Also The player makes the choice of what elemental focus their character will possess. And the Burn ability, although slightly self-destructive is in complete control of the player.
Also there isn't any 'mystery' a player of a Kineticist knows exactly what powers he (or she) will receive as levels of experience are attained.
The Kineticist is all about control and is pretty straightforward, no X-file case to found here.
The Kineticist is not an 'occult-themed class":
The theme of the Kineticist has obvious influences: The main characters in Stephen King's Carrie and Firestarter novels. However, the Kineticist will not exist in our world (with supernatural abilities being a rare thing), but in high fantasy worlds like Golarion and others where spell-casters, shape shifters and strange races are often the norm.
The Kineticist is unfairly and wrongly created without any viable context.
There are hints that the Kineticist is a occult outsider character being "quite different from his family and friends" with no evidence whatsoever to support this.
Making associated tropes near impossible to employ as there are no roleplaying hooks present.
Also Elemental blasts is a common ability among spell-casters. And the Burn ability is far from unique. A similar ability is an alternative class feature of the Sorcerer class. The supernatural ability Hidden Reserve (Golarion Campaign Setting, p.50).
Tome of Magic set a new benchmark in design of class themes:
D&D 3.5 Tome of Magic's Binder class is a good example to follow. An occult themed character class. Also the class is described as an outsider character with roleplaying hooks present, detailed with the use of effective exposition.
The Binder's pact magic has it's own philosophy and it's practice is mostly condemned by other spell-casters and feared by others. And with good reason, the Vestiges (that the Binders make a pact with) possess dark themes and dark stories and it's powerful influence can have dire consequences.
The Kineticist could be so much more than a class that just blasts things.
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Building my hydrokineticist, I saw use Magic Device and the list of class skills, and that got me thinking....
What if a kineticist could use items containing spells with the [Fire],[Cold],[Acid],[Electricity], or [Force] descriptors without needing a UMD check if the descriptor matches her element?
I've noticed that the simple blast for fire and water are the only elements that target touch armor, is this because they are the only ones that deal elemental damage? If so, will there be a way (besides WPN FOC and PB Shot) to increase the chances of hitting? From experience, I have noticed that MED BAB ranged attacks targeting normal AC have a stunted chance to hit when the character's main stat is not DEX.
Also, for WPN FOC, would the blast be considered a weapon type?
as an after thought; can the KIN multiclass or take armor proficiency and wear heavy armor? there is no wording to limit them from it since their abilities are SP and SU
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What if:
1-The kineticist had a reserve (like Arcane Pool) that could be used to fuel his powers without burn. 1/2+Con mod. points/day to use his most interesting powers without consuming his health seems good.
2-The wild talents were divided into 2 sub categories: utility and attack. Gaining them separately he would not be penalized in combat for adding flavor. Also, as said before, these utility talents could add to some skills.
3-The kineticist could add emotional or thought component to his blast to overcome alignment DR.
4-The tremorsense talent gave darkvision 30' passively for anything touching the ground. To sense other things, move action still needed.
5-The aether path had some precognition powers, sensing what is about to happen through auras and intentions.
Things to remember:
The use limited talents stand in balance with powerful spells. Classes built around the same frame (d8 hd, 3/4 bab) like the cleric, druid, oracle, shaman, etc... can use those without penalty, with increasingly ease. That said, I think the wild talents could use a boost at higher levels to make some earthshaking events.
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I think a extra wild talent feat would be awesome
I would like to see additional elements like life(positive energy), wood/plant, animal/vermin, death(negative energy), metal, gravity, time, light, and darkness.
I agree that you should get 4-6 class skills from your elemental choice.
Each element should get a physical blast and an energy blast(touch) built into the class. So Aether would get force(d4) and earth would get acid. Maybe fire should get magma blast for it's physical blast.
I think Kineticist's blast should be supernatural.
I think a extra wild talent feat would be awesome
I would like to see additional elements like life(positive energy), wood/plant, animal/vermin, death(negative energy), metal, gravity, time, light, and darkness.
I agree that you should get 4-6 class skills from your elemental choice.
Each element should get a physical blast and an energy blast(touch) built into the class. So Aether would get force(d4) and earth would get acid. Maybe fire should get magma blast for it's physical blast.
I think Kineticist's blast should be supernatural.
Magma/Lava is molten earth, so it shouldn't be a fire blast at all. It's perfectly fine where it is as an Earth/Fire combination blast.
Fire, is the only blast that truly cannot have a physical blast because Fire is energy. Every other element can be used to pierce, cut, or bludgeon people (including air), but Fire only burns.
Sandstorm: "If you hit, the target suffers an amount of piercing and slashing damage equal to 2d6+2 + your Constitution modifier. This damage increases by 2d6+2 for every 2 kineticist levels you possess beyond 1st."
The way I read this, it does 2d6+2 (plus 2d6+2 per 2 beyond first) of EACH piercing and slashing, for a total of double every other composite blast in damage. Obviously this is intended to be either an 'or', or to be one damage source that bypasses both P and S DR types, but the wording doesn't clearly say that to me.
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WARNING: Wall of text incoming!
First off, I really like the kineticist. It is easily the most liked class from this playtest (for me; and if I look at the size of the different threads it seems I'm not the only one).
After building a few characters, and comparing to some other class builds I have a few remarks (note that most of these are already posted in this thread from what I've read):
- Another vote for 'Geo' instead of 'Terra' (Which could be reserved for a wood themed elemental focus)
- Skill ranks: 2+INT for a class that will (in practice) dump int is really not much. Even more so for a class that is really really combat focused. I can only hope that the fighter will be handled in Unchained but I'd advocate for at least an increase to 4+INT/ 6+INT might also be possible but might step on other classes' toes too much.
- Energy resistance/Immunity, Damage reduction and Wild Blasts: One problem I foresee is the inability to pierce resistance/immunity for elemental damage wild blasts. On other accounts, damage reduction might be a problem. True a kinetisist can diversify his damage types a bit but only starting at lvl7 and even then it leaves a lot to be desired. My suggestions are as follows:
* All elemental foci have two wild blasts available; one elemental in nature, a second physical in nature. Elementals would have fire/electricity/cold/acid/force damage and would be ranged touch attacks. Physical blasts would be normal ranged attacks and have piercing/slashing/bludgeoning damage. In addition, the kineticist automatically learns both blasts. This way any type of kineticist can decide to specialise in his physical blast or his elemental one but has the other as backup in case he finds himself in combat with a resisting opponent.
* Standardize wild blast damage (physical ones d8+CON mod, elemental ones (w/o force) d6+1/2 CON mod, force d4+1/2 CON mod; all increase by 1 die every 2 lvls)
- Burn mechanic: I feel like it's too much of a detriment (for not enough gain) to actually use burn in combat. Perhaps more gains (great active effects, more passive effects) from burn can be included? Also a way to recover from burn (in a limited fashion) after a combat might give more incentive to actually use burn more regularly.
Below are some ideas on how to improve the kinetist/fix the above problems:
CALM THE STORM
Element: universal; Type: Su; Level 2; Burn —
Prerequisites: kineticist level 3th
As a full round action you can reduce your current burn by one point. The nonlethal damage resulting from this removed burn point can then be healed normally. This talent can be used a number of times each day equal to your 3 + CON modifier.
PIERCING ELEMENT
Element: universal; Type: Su; Level 4; Burn —
Prerequisites: kineticist level 7th
You automatically reduce any energy resistance of the target by 10 with your wild blast or kinetic fist or kinetic blade.
GREATER PIERCING ELEMENT
Element: universal; Type: Su; Level 6; Burn —
Prerequisites: kineticist level 11th, PIERCING ELEMENT
As piercing element but you automatically reduce energy resistance by 20. Alternatively, a creature or object targeted with energy immunity instead counts as having energy resistance 40. This resistance is not further reduced by this talent.
IGNITE THE INNER INFERNO
Element: universal; Type: Su; Level 2; Burn —
Prerequisites: kineticist level 3th
By accepting one burn, as a swift action you can empower your kinetic abilities. For one minute your wild blast as well as any kinetic fist or kinetic blade talent receives a +1 enhancement bonus to attack and damage. At 6th level and every 3 levels thereafter this bonus is increased by one (to a maximum of +5 at lvl 15).
ELEMENTAL WRATH
Element: universal; Type: Su; Level 2; Burn —
Prerequisites: kineticist level 3th
You unleash the power of your inner soul. By accepting any number of burn (limited by your normal maximum each round) as a swift action, you temporarily gain a +2 morale bonus to constitution for each burn accepted (in effect the temporary HP gained from this CON bonus cancels the nonlethal damage inflicted by the burn). In addition, for each burn accepted you also gain a +1 to every damage die rolled for your wild blast, kinetic fists or kinetic blade. These benefits last for a number of rounds equal to the number of burn accepted. It is possible to increase your wrath over several turns, adding more and more burn, both increasing the effect in power and duration. At the end of the duration of the effect, you lose the morale bonus to constitution and suffer the full consequences of the burn accepted.
These are only a few ideas for new talents (perhaps some deserve to be built in the class itself).
*EDIT: changed a few wording issues*