Pathfinder Kingmaker Adventure Path

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Pathfinder Kingmaker Adventure Path
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Pathfinder’s most-popular campaign ever returns in this massive new hardcover compilation updated to the latest Pathfinder rules! In this new, revised version of the classic Kingmaker Adventure Path campaign, the Stolen Lands have long been the domain of bandits and monsters, but no longer! Your party has been granted a charter to explore these wilds, defeat its dangers, and build a brand new nation. Yet not everyone will welcome you as new neighbors, and powerful supernatural forces have their own plans for the region. Can you defeat your kingdom’s enemies and become leaders of one of the greatest new nations in the world?

This hardcover edition of the Kingmaker Adventure Path contains:

  • All six chapters of the original Kingmaker Adventure Path, expanded and updated for use with Pathfinder Second Edition.
  • Hundreds of pages of new content that expands the campaign to cover the full range of levels from 1 to 20.
  • Works with tie-in Bestiaries (sold separately) to allow easy conversion to Pathfinder First Edition or the Fifth Edition rules of the world’s oldest roleplaying game!
  • Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.
  • Eleven new alchemical items and spells to discover.
  • Sixteen new monsters, ranging from mundane but dangerous wild animals to potent supernatural threats that will challenge even the most powerful of heroes.

Written by: Steven T. Helt, Tim Hitchcock, James Jacobs, Ron Lundeen, Rob McCreary, Jason Nelson, Richard Pett, Tom Phillips, Neil Spicer, and Greg A. Vaughan.

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-429-1

The Kingmaker Adventure Path is sanctioned for use in Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The rules for running this Adventure and Chronicle sheet are available as a free download (897 kb PDF).

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5/5


Great story, poor execution

2/5

The story and everything releated to it is 5/5 without any complains, can recommend it blindly.

BUT (and it's a big but)

The kingdom management system is broken. There are many homebrew rules for fixing it but as is it gets 0/5, getting an average of 2.5/5 (and in Pf2e we're rounding down).

What doesn't work in management?
Basically everything. Kingdom turns take way too long of session time, the whole process is tedious, and frankly, boring. It's such a wasted opportunity because this could be the best system, exported to all games all around. I hope that it will be reviewed and fixed in the future but for now either don't use these rules or implement Vance and Kerenshara fixes for it.

When Paizo fixes the kingdom management system, I'll be more than happy to give this game 5 stars, but for now I just can't. This game is about building kingdoms and this is an essential part of the adventure


Beautiful Product

5/5


just here to offset the guy 1- & 2-starring all the PF2E products

5/5


Amazing adventure, s@#%ty subsystems

4/5

This product has so many things that I think we need to split up the rating into two pieces: the adventure itself and the rules.

The adventure itself is an epic story, lots to explore and very easy to customize. Nothing more to say here, it's the best 2e adventure by a mile. 5 stars!

The rules consist of armies and kingdom management.

Armies at their base level are incredibly uninteresting: you engage the enemy, then roll to attack. There's no strategy, no choices, no relevant positioning. You can't even flank armies out of the box. Many buffs are hard to keep track, some are relative (Guarding against a single army for a +2 to AC). Yes, you can give them Tactics, but those don't add enough to make it fun or interesting.

The feats and actions themselves are riddled with mistakes which makes it very hard to figure out how it should actually work. Recovering and moving armies takes way too much time in kingdom turns (e.g. 1 turn to recover 1HP of 4-6, moving 5 armies together can work out to 2 arriving on time while 3 get lost on the way). Balancing and encounter difficulty is on the GM and often not straight forward, especially because healing isn't free as in the base game. I just can't see how this system is supposed to evoke any sort of fun, even if heavily house ruled. 1 Star!

Kingdom Management suffers from being riddled with mistakes, bad balance and hard to track bonuses:

* Some feats and activities give you "useless" status bonuses
* Way too many kingdom activities that barely do anything interesting.
* Leadership activities don't scale below/above 4 players
* Structure item bonuses are basically impossible to use at the table without automation. You'll be dealing with 30+ different modifiers that apply only for certain activities and are overridden by capital bonuses if these are higher and some activities just don't get any at all, most notably the companion ones
* Kingdom XP rules are designed in a way that it takes ~13! rounds (4x 3 hour sessions) to level from lv 1 to 2
* No opponent or pressure that keeps things interesting
* No interesting, strategic choices. The CRPG gave you projects that competed with keeping the kingdom under control, this system has none of that push your luck.

At least the kingdom events are fantastic. 3 Stars.

Overall, the systems lack fun and take way too much time. Can we like get an official community play-test if an AP ships 50+ pages of rules?


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Dark Archive

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Great to see it on here now.


Still can't preorder, though.


Starfinder Superscriber

I'm curious -- and on this one I would beg for a blue response from someone on staff here.

Quote:


>Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.

This isn't an "official" product I believe? So if I purchase this for these rules, is there a chance that those rules might become obsolete for PF2 if another designer chooses to go a different route in an official product?


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Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.

I'm also intrigued with this bit. What does "narrative-based rules" mean here? I hadn’t planned on making use of mass combat rules – the way they've been presented before – because they move the narrative away from player character's focus and familiar mechanics, and onto other people's. It feels a little like you're playing a separate game while you're using them. Which is cool, just not my personal style. A ruleset that keeps the narrative focus in this battlefield scenario on PCs themselves, however, and/or interacts more with the players' own abilities and stats – I'd very much be intrigued with.


Looking forward for the pre-order to be opened. I have been waiting for this since the kickstarter ended.

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Leon Aquilla wrote:

I'm curious -- and on this one I would beg for a blue response from someone on staff here.

Quote:


>Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.
This isn't an "official" product I believe? So if I purchase this for these rules, is there a chance that those rules might become obsolete for PF2 if another designer chooses to go a different route in an official product?

What do you mean it's not an official product?


It's as official as it can be, lol.

Silver Crusade

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The 2E rules were written by the Paizo team. The 5E rules for the 5E Bestiary were by the Legendary team. That's exactly what it says in the GameOnTabletop. But please call me obtuse again.

Grand Lodge

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Also, people can and do write for both companies. It's the nature of the business. Paizo contracting Legendary Games to help organize a project that Paizo releases... is still a Paizo project. I'd appreciate if you learned anything about how game publishing works before calling people obtuse.

Paizo is publishing it. Doesn't matter who worked on it. Paizo is publishing it. Making it an official Paizo product.

Paizo Employee Sales & eCommerce Assistant

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Now (finally) available for preorder! :)

Paizo Employee Customer Service Representative

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Removed posts and quotes for baiting.


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….Well ignoring whatever has been happening here, I’m excited to get my hands on this.

Read the original and liked it, though never played, enjoyed the game excited to see what has changed/grown with this.


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Didn't this product page go up just now? How come there are comments from August?

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Zaister wrote:
Didn't this product page go up just now? How come there are comments from August?

That's what we in the industry call a little "oopsie-doodle", where a switch was flipped prematurely, and people saw it before we could disappear it again. (:

(my bad.)


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Does a pre-order come with a pdf?

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H2Osw wrote:
Does a pre-order come with a pdf?

Unfortunately, it does not. PDFs will be available for sale independently from the print edition on October 26th. :/


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That's dissappointing. I hope whoever makes that decision changes their mind before release. I understand that this isn't a subscription. However pdf have been offered before for pre-order on non sub orders.

Silver Crusade

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This is a special situation to other books of this sort. This was crowdfunded and there are specific rules that cause them not to be able to offer that.

Dark Archive

Any word on if there will be sanctioning for pfs?

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Jasonomicon Ex Mortis wrote:
Any word on if there will be sanctioning for pfs?

Alex is on vacation but I think he said they are targeting sanctioning it in Adventure Mode at launch on Oct 26. Some rules might need more review.

Grand Archive

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Note: There's a mistake in the Aldori Blade stat block. It's reprinted here from the Lost Omen World Guide with the same typo that was in that book. So you should follow the same errata: (the page number here is the LO book's page, in Kingmaker it's on page 599)

Lost Omen World Guide Errata wrote:
Page 28: The aldori dueling sword mistakenly cost too much due to a lack of conversion to the silver piece standard for starting gear. Change the Aldori dueling sword's price to 2 gp.

Pathfinder Errata page


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition Subscriber

I'm having trouble getting a clear answer on this, but is this or is it not going to be included in any of the Corebook/Adventure/Adventure Path subscriptions?


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ravenmaster_001 wrote:
I'm having trouble getting a clear answer on this, but is this or is it not going to be included in any of the Corebook/Adventure/Adventure Path subscriptions?

It is not.


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I've never heard of such a crowdfunding restriction unless it was self-imposed. I hope Paizo goes a different route for crowdfunding in the future, because this process seems like it was a mess even for the few folks that actually got to fund it.

Anyway, it's not in a sub, no pdf for pre-order, so I guess I'll just wait for it come out and see if it is worth it.


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By my count, there are 13 products associated with this project, only two of which I don't want (the two bestiaries, because I don't play 5e and don't play PF1E any more. S#**. My "completeness" bug just bit me regarding the PF1 bestiary. No! No! I don't wanna! This thing is going to be expensive enough as it is. Maybe I should just wait for the pdfs. No, I want the printed maps, at least. damn, damn, damn. My wallet hurts!

Paizo Employee Organized Play Coordinator

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Jasonomicon Ex Mortis wrote:
Any word on if there will be sanctioning for pfs?

The short answer is "yes," the long answer is "yes, and we'll provide more details closer to street date."


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I have this book at home now, but this page has no indication that I "bought" it, just a pointer to the PDF in my downloads.

Anyway, it is a huge book at 640 pages. I can recommend it not only for reference but for weight lifting and as an improvised weapon.


That's strange a bit, to see elves with human eyes

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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RatyborGM wrote:
That's strange a bit, to see elves with human eyes

Which elf? (Usually when this happens it's 'cause of one of two things... the image is actually of a half-elf, who have human eyes, or it's an error that slipped through.)


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Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.


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dmjarrick wrote:
Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.

Pf1 has a book, it's had one for a long time.


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dmjarrick wrote:
Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.

I have phenomenal news about Kingmaker 1e: it came out 12 years ago.


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H2Osw wrote:
dmjarrick wrote:
Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.
Pf1 has a book, it's had one for a long time.

Oh? Got a link where I can buy that?

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Mika Hawkins wrote:
H2Osw wrote:
Does a pre-order come with a pdf?
Unfortunately, it does not. PDFs will be available for sale independently from the print edition on October 26th. :/

That’s a bummer, and a dealbreaker for me. I will now have to pass on this.


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keftiu wrote:

I have phenomenal news about Kingmaker 1e: it came out 12 years ago.

Why yes, that's why a collectable hardcover of it would be such a fantastic addition to my book collection!


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James Jacobs wrote:
RatyborGM wrote:
That's strange a bit, to see elves with human eyes
Which elf? (Usually when this happens it's 'cause of one of two things... the image is actually of a half-elf, who have human eyes, or it's an error that slipped through.)

It's in the Player's Guide. I assumed it was the latter error, because the ears are much too long for a half-elf.


Is there any plans for this to be converted for Foundryvtt?

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Brandon McCormick wrote:

Is there any plans for this to be converted for Foundryvtt?

Yes, by Spring 2023.

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This is a bit off-topic, so perhaps we can help with some perspective. Both Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne were originally published for Dungeons & Dragons 3.5. When their compilations came out Paizo updated them to the newest version of its rules, Pathfinder First Edition. The Kingmaker Adventure Path first came out for Pathfinder First Edition and has again been updated to the newest version of the Pathfinder ruleset. We have no plans for a compilation for the older ruleset. Paizo may someday make the original separate volumes of the Kingmaker Adventure Path for Pathfinder First Edition available in print-on-demand at DriveThruRPG as we have with other titles. Adventures Ahead!

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