Pathfinder Kingmaker Adventure Path

Pathfinder Kingmaker Adventure Path

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Pathfinder’s most-popular campaign ever returns in this massive new hardcover compilation updated to the latest Pathfinder rules! In this new, revised version of the classic Kingmaker Adventure Path campaign, the Stolen Lands have long been the domain of bandits and monsters, but no longer! Your party has been granted a charter to explore these wilds, defeat its dangers, and build a brand new nation. Yet not everyone will welcome you as new neighbors, and powerful supernatural forces have their own plans for the region. Can you defeat your kingdom’s enemies and become leaders of one of the greatest new nations in the world?

This hardcover edition of the Kingmaker Adventure Path contains:

  • All six chapters of the original Kingmaker Adventure Path, expanded and updated for use with Pathfinder Second Edition.
  • Hundreds of pages of new content that expands the campaign to cover the full range of levels from 1 to 20.
  • Works with tie-in Bestiaries (sold separately) to allow easy conversion to Pathfinder First Edition or the Fifth Edition rules of the world’s oldest roleplaying game!
  • Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.
  • Eleven new alchemical items and spells to discover.
  • Sixteen new monsters, ranging from mundane but dangerous wild animals to potent supernatural threats that will challenge even the most powerful of heroes.

Written by: Steven T. Helt, Tim Hitchcock, James Jacobs, Ron Lundeen, Rob McCreary, Jason Nelson, Richard Pett, Tom Phillips, Neil Spicer, and Greg A. Vaughan.

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-429-1

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Preorder, expected approximately 26 Oct 2022

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Dark Archive

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Great to see it on here now.


Still can't preorder, though.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

I'm curious -- and on this one I would beg for a blue response from someone on staff here.

Quote:


>Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.

This isn't an "official" product I believe? So if I purchase this for these rules, is there a chance that those rules might become obsolete for PF2 if another designer chooses to go a different route in an official product?


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
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Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.

I'm also intrigued with this bit. What does "narrative-based rules" mean here? I hadn’t planned on making use of mass combat rules – the way they've been presented before – because they move the narrative away from player character's focus and familiar mechanics, and onto other people's. It feels a little like you're playing a separate game while you're using them. Which is cool, just not my personal style. A ruleset that keeps the narrative focus in this battlefield scenario on PCs themselves, however, and/or interacts more with the players' own abilities and stats – I'd very much be intrigued with.


Looking forward for the pre-order to be opened. I have been waiting for this since the kickstarter ended.

Silver Crusade

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Leon Aquilla wrote:

I'm curious -- and on this one I would beg for a blue response from someone on staff here.

Quote:


>Extensive rules for building and running kingdoms, settlements, and armies, along with narrative-based rules for resolving mass combat encounters.
This isn't an "official" product I believe? So if I purchase this for these rules, is there a chance that those rules might become obsolete for PF2 if another designer chooses to go a different route in an official product?

What do you mean it's not an official product?


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

It's as official as it can be, lol.

Silver Crusade

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Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories, Pawns, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

The 2E rules were written by the Paizo team. The 5E rules for the 5E Bestiary were by the Legendary team. That's exactly what it says in the GameOnTabletop. But please call me obtuse again.

Grand Lodge

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Also, people can and do write for both companies. It's the nature of the business. Paizo contracting Legendary Games to help organize a project that Paizo releases... is still a Paizo project. I'd appreciate if you learned anything about how game publishing works before calling people obtuse.

Paizo is publishing it. Doesn't matter who worked on it. Paizo is publishing it. Making it an official Paizo product.

Paizo Employee Sales & eCommerce Assistant

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Now (finally) available for preorder! :)

Paizo Employee Customer Service Representative

Removed posts and quotes for baiting.


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….Well ignoring whatever has been happening here, I’m excited to get my hands on this.

Read the original and liked it, though never played, enjoyed the game excited to see what has changed/grown with this.


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Didn't this product page go up just now? How come there are comments from August?

Paizo Employee Sales & eCommerce Assistant

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Zaister wrote:
Didn't this product page go up just now? How come there are comments from August?

That's what we in the industry call a little "oopsie-doodle", where a switch was flipped prematurely, and people saw it before we could disappear it again. (:

(my bad.)


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Does a pre-order come with a pdf?

Paizo Employee Sales & eCommerce Assistant

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H2Osw wrote:
Does a pre-order come with a pdf?

Unfortunately, it does not. PDFs will be available for sale independently from the print edition on October 26th. :/


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

That's dissappointing. I hope whoever makes that decision changes their mind before release. I understand that this isn't a subscription. However pdf have been offered before for pre-order on non sub orders.

Silver Crusade

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This is a special situation to other books of this sort. This was crowdfunded and there are specific rules that cause them not to be able to offer that.

Dark Archive

Any word on if there will be sanctioning for pfs?

Paizo Employee Marketing & Media Manager

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Jasonomicon Ex Mortis wrote:
Any word on if there will be sanctioning for pfs?

Alex is on vacation but I think he said they are targeting sanctioning it in Adventure Mode at launch on Oct 26. Some rules might need more review.

Grand Archive

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Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Note: There's a mistake in the Aldori Blade stat block. It's reprinted here from the Lost Omen World Guide with the same typo that was in that book. So you should follow the same errata: (the page number here is the LO book's page, in Kingmaker it's on page 599)

Lost Omen World Guide Errata wrote:
Page 28: The aldori dueling sword mistakenly cost too much due to a lack of conversion to the silver piece standard for starting gear. Change the Aldori dueling sword's price to 2 gp.

Pathfinder Errata page


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition Subscriber

I'm having trouble getting a clear answer on this, but is this or is it not going to be included in any of the Corebook/Adventure/Adventure Path subscriptions?


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ravenmaster_001 wrote:
I'm having trouble getting a clear answer on this, but is this or is it not going to be included in any of the Corebook/Adventure/Adventure Path subscriptions?

It is not.


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I've never heard of such a crowdfunding restriction unless it was self-imposed. I hope Paizo goes a different route for crowdfunding in the future, because this process seems like it was a mess even for the few folks that actually got to fund it.

Anyway, it's not in a sub, no pdf for pre-order, so I guess I'll just wait for it come out and see if it is worth it.


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, LO Special Edition, Pathfinder Accessories, PF Special Edition Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

By my count, there are 13 products associated with this project, only two of which I don't want (the two bestiaries, because I don't play 5e and don't play PF1E any more. S@&#. My "completeness" bug just bit me regarding the PF1 bestiary. No! No! I don't wanna! This thing is going to be expensive enough as it is. Maybe I should just wait for the pdfs. No, I want the printed maps, at least. damn, damn, damn. My wallet hurts!

Paizo Employee Organized Play Coordinator

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Jasonomicon Ex Mortis wrote:
Any word on if there will be sanctioning for pfs?

The short answer is "yes," the long answer is "yes, and we'll provide more details closer to street date."


Pathfinder Companion, Maps, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I have this book at home now, but this page has no indication that I "bought" it, just a pointer to the PDF in my downloads.

Anyway, it is a huge book at 640 pages. I can recommend it not only for reference but for weight lifting and as an improvised weapon.


That's strange a bit, to see elves with human eyes

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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RatyborGM wrote:
That's strange a bit, to see elves with human eyes

Which elf? (Usually when this happens it's 'cause of one of two things... the image is actually of a half-elf, who have human eyes, or it's an error that slipped through.)


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Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.


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dmjarrick wrote:
Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.

Pf1 has a book, it's had one for a long time.


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dmjarrick wrote:
Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.

I have phenomenal news about Kingmaker 1e: it came out 12 years ago.


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H2Osw wrote:
dmjarrick wrote:
Oh. You made the main book pf2 and expected me to pay extra for the pf1 rules. I was excited about this but nevermind. Let me know when you decide to give the pf1 fans any love at all.
Pf1 has a book, it's had one for a long time.

Oh? Got a link where I can buy that?

Liberty's Edge

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Mika Hawkins wrote:
H2Osw wrote:
Does a pre-order come with a pdf?
Unfortunately, it does not. PDFs will be available for sale independently from the print edition on October 26th. :/

That’s a bummer, and a dealbreaker for me. I will now have to pass on this.


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keftiu wrote:

I have phenomenal news about Kingmaker 1e: it came out 12 years ago.

Why yes, that's why a collectable hardcover of it would be such a fantastic addition to my book collection!


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James Jacobs wrote:
RatyborGM wrote:
That's strange a bit, to see elves with human eyes
Which elf? (Usually when this happens it's 'cause of one of two things... the image is actually of a half-elf, who have human eyes, or it's an error that slipped through.)

It's in the Player's Guide. I assumed it was the latter error, because the ears are much too long for a half-elf.


Is there any plans for this to be converted for Foundryvtt?

Paizo Employee Marketing & Media Manager

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Brandon McCormick wrote:

Is there any plans for this to be converted for Foundryvtt?

Yes, by Spring 2023.

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This is a bit off-topic, so perhaps we can help with some perspective. Both Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne were originally published for Dungeons & Dragons 3.5. When their compilations came out Paizo updated them to the newest version of its rules, Pathfinder First Edition. The Kingmaker Adventure Path first came out for Pathfinder First Edition and has again been updated to the newest version of the Pathfinder ruleset. We have no plans for a compilation for the older ruleset. Paizo may someday make the original separate volumes of the Kingmaker Adventure Path for Pathfinder First Edition available in print-on-demand at DriveThruRPG as we have with other titles. Adventures Ahead!


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Aaron Shanks wrote:
We have no plans for a compilation for the older ruleset.

Welp, there it is, the most depressing response possible. Why? It's the more popular ruleset. Don't you like money?


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dmjarrick wrote:
It's the more popular ruleset.

So you are posting confidential corporate financial information that proves that PF1 makes more money for Paizo than PF2?

How fascinating.


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Dancing Wind wrote:
dmjarrick wrote:
It's the more popular ruleset.

So you are posting confidential corporate financial information that proves that PF1 makes more money for Paizo than PF2?

How fascinating.

No, but Roll20 did! They released a report last year that showed that PF1 has more games and players than PF2 and Starfinder combined. Draw your own conclusions.


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dmjarrick wrote:
Dancing Wind wrote:
dmjarrick wrote:
It's the more popular ruleset.

So you are posting confidential corporate financial information that proves that PF1 makes more money for Paizo than PF2?

How fascinating.

No, but Roll20 did!

Roll20's Orr Report is not really a reliable indicator of anything. It's complete dogwater for running 2e due to their abysmal support for the system and nigh-unusable character sheets, the vast majority of people are running on Foundry (which you will also note is getting full, high quality, comprehensive remakes for adventure paths while Roll20 is just posting the maps and tokens and calling it a day - something they didn't even do for two years).

The Orr Report has multiple instances of showing a single game in multiple instances, causing several of the games to have underreported numbers if you look at it in a block. As well, the Orr Report shows numbers of game rooms created, not how many campaigns have been played. Not only is 1e a much older system, automatically making it have more games made for it, it also means all the junk testing rooms I made for 1e on Roll20 count as much in those numbers as the one single game of 2e I ran on it before realizing how bad Roll20 is for it.

1e is not more popular than 2e. It's a 13 year old game based on the rules of a 19 year old game, and is most famous for being inordinately complex, having unneccessary math, and being difficult to learn and run. All of which is true! I ran an entire 1e AP back to front on R20.

The TTRPG industry and fanbase has grown enormously since 1e's heyday. Paizo themselves has said on these very forums that 2e has outsold 1e at the point of its heyday, and it's only been 3 years. You can even look at Humble Bundles as a point of evidence:
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/pathfinder-first-edition-character-optio ns-from-paizo-inc-books This 1e bundle from earlier this year sold 8,342 copies. That's pretty good!

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/humble-rpg-bundle-pathfinder-second-edit ion-strength-thousands-paizo-books The 2e bundle that just ended sold almost 3 times as much, 22k.

You need to accept that 1e is an old game and they're not going to recompile things that already exist for it. You can go buy the Kingmaker pdfs right now for 1e. They still exist. They even made a 1e bestiary for your use if you wanna use this compilation.

They aren't going to print a 600 page book for a system that's been over since 2019.


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dmjarrick wrote:
Dancing Wind wrote:
dmjarrick wrote:
It's the more popular ruleset.

So you are posting confidential corporate financial information that proves that PF1 makes more money for Paizo than PF2?

How fascinating.

No, but Roll20 did! They released a report last year that showed that PF1 has more games and players than PF2 and Starfinder combined. Draw your own conclusions.

My conclusion is that most PF2 games using VTT are done with Foundry, given that's the platform that actually supports it.

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