Pathfinder Lost Omens: World Guide

One thing I guess I am not super clear on is there any time jump in the in game universe between pathfinder 1 and pathfinder 2?

The god of prophecy is dead...

???!!?!?

Paizo wrote:

The god of prophecy is dead...

???!!?!?

Generalissimo Aroden is still dead.

10 regions? Tell me more!

I will preorder this... And everything else D:

So this being a hardcover, is this an indication that the successor line to the Campaign Setting line is all hardcover or is this an exceptionm, being basically the (incremental?) update to the Inner Sea World Guild?

So this being a hardcover, is this an indication that the successor line to the Campaign Setting line is all hardcover or is this an exceptionm, being basically the (incremental?) update to the Inner Sea World Guild?

Read more here.

(Short answer: The Campaign Setting World Guide line is going all-hardcover.)

It's certainly possible that we might do a softcover World Guide product at some point in the future, but there are none presently on the schedule.

One thing I guess I am not super clear on is there any time jump in the in game universe between pathfinder 1 and pathfinder 2?

Just the normal 1-year jump we do every year. This book assumes the current year is 4719 AR and that the events published in P1 have already taken place.

Big Lemon wrote:

Paizo wrote:

The god of prophecy is dead...

???!!?!?

Generalissimo Aroden is still dead.

Right, but unless something has changed in 2E, Pharasma is the god of prophecy, not Aroden.

Possible explanations for this quote:
1) Whoever wrote the blurb made an error.
2) Pharasma is DEAD!!! (highly unlikely)
3) Deity portfolios have been retconned and Aroden is now the (deceased) god of prophecy.

We're talking about Aroden, here. Understood that there's a bit of a conflict with Pharasma. Let's chalk it up to "poetic license."

I bet the 10 regions are including Isger and it's not Arcadia, Azlant, Casmaron, Crown of the World, Garund, Sarusan, Tian-Xia & two others. ;-)

Wish this had a deluxe edition! :)

Please make sure that include this as part of PFS2's "core assumption", assuming that the PFS2 campaign ever moves to offer core games.

Oh dang, my friend's been asking for something like this. Really good way to kick things off. I'm excited to see them providing info on the world at the start, rather than just the Inner Sea Region. Handy for home games!

OH MY GOD! I'm so excited about all this books!

Is the "Lost Omens" the name of the next setting for Golarion, given the fact that we are getting only 10 regions covered up - far less than the total number of nations in the Inner Sea - or an I making a mistake to assume you meant 10 nations?

We'll have more info soon, but the 10 regions encompass what we used to call the "Inner Sea Region"—it's the same focus on Avistan and northern Garund, but split into a more manageable number of areas rather than one for every single nation. For example: The "Saga Lands" is one of the ten regions, and it includes Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Varisia, New Thassilon, Irrisen, and Realm of the Mammoth Lords.

"Lost Omens" is indeed the name of the setting overall—it never really had a good name before, other than "The Pathfinder Campaign Setting" I guess.

BUT yes, we're still focusing on the once-called "Inner Sea Region" in this book. We will have a few words to say about the other continents and planets, but not much—those'll be for other books later.

We WILL finally have a detailed global map though, which I'm very excited and relieved about! :P

OH MY GOD! I'm so excited about all this books!

Is the "Lost Omens" the name of the next setting for Golarion, given the fact that we are getting only 10 regions covered up - far less than the total number of nations in the Inner Sea - or an I making a mistake to assume you meant 10 nations?

Age of Lost Omens is the Historical period ushered in by Aroden’s death

I think you’re right that you’re wrong to presume that region here is nation.

By region I think they mean;

Avistan
Garund
Azlant
Arcadia
Tian Xia
Crown of the World
Casmaron
Samasaran
Maybe Vudra seperate?
And another

Edit,

Or what the ninja T-Rex said...

Hmm. It calls itself a deluxe edition in the shopping cart. You, sir, have no metallic embossing!

Anyhow...

I don't know if anyone can answer this question, but with a July 8th release, it seems this is more than an aspirational product.

Each region also includes suggested character backgrounds and archetypes to more deeply root your character in their surroundings.

Does 'archetype' there mean:

1. A suggestion of CRB class, skill, feat combinations to create a culturally appropriate character like "Shoanti Burn Rider" or "Qadiran Sunrider" or "Aldori Swordlord?"

2. Suggested mechanical archetypes that will be published in the CRB?

3. New archetype/dedication feats for regionally appropriate archetypes (i.e. new rules content)?

Product Description wrote:

Each region also includes suggested character backgrounds and archetypes to more deeply root your character in their surroundings.

Does 'archetype' there mean:

1. A suggestion of CRB class, skill, feat combinations to create a culturally appropriate character like "Shoanti Burn Rider" or "Qadiran Sunrider" or "Aldori Swordlord?"

2. Suggested mechanical archetypes that will be published in the CRB?

3. New archetype/dedication feats for regionally appropriate archetypes (i.e. new rules content)?

They will resemble the archetypes you've already seen in the Pathfinder Playtest.

I'm guessing the names of the World Guide books will have somthing to do with the regions/nations covered. This is "Lost Omens" which refers to the Age of Lost Omens which was precipitated by the death of Aroden. So I'm guessing this book covers the parts of the Inner Sea Region where Aroden was the main religion, i.e. Taldor and its descendants and successors.

Thanks, Luis!

I also stumbled upon this while trying to figure out how to Subscribe to the World Guide line...

The World Guide line will contain player character options. This first one includes 10 archetypes and just shy of 100 new world-appropriate backgrounds, as well as some other stuff here and there.

So... awesomesause!

We'll have more info soon, but the 10 regions encompass what we used to call the "Inner Sea Region"—it's the same focus on Avistan and northern Garund, but split into a more manageable number of areas rather than one for every single nation. For example: The "Saga Lands" is one of the ten regions, and it includes Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Varisia, New Thassilon, Irrisen, and Realm of the Mammoth Lords.

"Lost Omens" is indeed the name of the setting overall—it never really had a good name before, other than "The Pathfinder Campaign Setting" I guess.

BUT yes, we're still focusing on the once-called "Inner Sea Region" in this book. We will have a few words to say about the other continents and planets, but not much—those'll be for other books later.

We WILL finally have a detailed global map though, which I'm very excited and relieved about! :P

Thank you very much for both letting me know what to expect on this!

Folks, this product comes out August 1st just like everything else. Any reference to a July release is a mistake.

We'll have more info soon, but the 10 regions encompass what we used to call the "Inner Sea Region"—it's the same focus on Avistan and northern Garund, but split into a more manageable number of areas rather than one for every single nation. For example: The "Saga Lands" is one of the ten regions, and it includes Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Varisia, New Thassilon, Irrisen, and Realm of the Mammoth Lords.

"Lost Omens" is indeed the name of the setting overall—it never really had a good name before, other than "The Pathfinder Campaign Setting" I guess.

BUT yes, we're still focusing on the once-called "Inner Sea Region" in this book. We will have a few words to say about the other continents and planets, but not much—those'll be for other books later.

We WILL finally have a detailed global map though, which I'm very excited and relieved about! :P

Detailes Global Map... *0*

Alright, take my money!

I'm pretty much pleased with the name for the setting. Lost Omens makes gives a more unique and appealing impression, even though I have nothing against the previous name.

And I just remembered reading about this fantastic idea of taking some nations together and covering them all as a region. Sagas Lands World Guide is something we could dream about, right? *.*

With the rise of the new concept of Ancestries, I hope it doesn't take long for us to see a world guide for them...

Welp, I'm all in. Fired up all my subscriptions again!

Well, even if I am not on board with PF2E, I guess I'll have to get this, to be up-and-up on the current state of the Inner Sea, not to mention the world map.

I hope it's 99% fluff and 1% crunch, though. ^^

It's not quite that lopsided, but this book definitely includes a ton of lore.

Of all the new books this is the one I am most excited about. I am curious to see what AP's have made it to canon (and the twists they took), what rulers have survived the times and what those results were...here's looking forward to the Kingmaker official resolution.

Of all the new books this is the one I am most excited about. I am curious to see what AP's have made it to canon ...

I can answer that now: All of them. :P

Not that all of them will have resolutions wide-ranging or notable enough to be mentioned in this book though... some APs are pretty low key from a historical point if the PCs win (which is going to be the assumption for all of them, I suspect... I'm not too fond of hard-coding into the campaign something that says YOUR PLAYER CHARCTERS ARE FAILURES by assuming one of the Adventure Paths is a canonically regarded a failure...).

But the book's still being worked on so I can't give full details yet.

As a skeptic I will also grant that I'm intrigued and I'm certainly on record as wanting bigger Lore books, and if it means a slower release of options and better controlled mechanically those are also pluses.

It certainly means both of those things. :)

Blake's Tiger wrote:

Product Description wrote:

Each region also includes suggested character backgrounds and archetypes to more deeply root your character in their surroundings.

Does 'archetype' there mean:

1. A suggestion of CRB class, skill, feat combinations to create a culturally appropriate character like "Shoanti Burn Rider" or "Qadiran Sunrider" or "Aldori Swordlord?"

2. Suggested mechanical archetypes that will be published in the CRB?

3. New archetype/dedication feats for regionally appropriate archetypes (i.e. new rules content)?

They will resemble the archetypes you've already seen in the Pathfinder Playtest.

I suspect it will lean heavier into the third category, stuff like the Grey Maiden that is context specific.

That's what I want!

Would still buy the book for lore, but having regional archetypes right out the door is cool.

I really thought finally seeing the books would raise my excitement level but even this one just isn't doing it

So Aroden is dead, whelp looks like the Whispering Tyrant is going to run amuck.

We're talking about Aroden, here. Understood that there's a bit of a conflict with Pharasma. Let's chalk it up to "poetic license."

Not a fan of poetic license in the main campaign setting book.... That's the sort of thing that needs to be clear.

Three thoughts:

1) Hurray! We finally get a full global map!

2) The timeline is going to be advanced and world events updated for all the APs that have come out. So some things will be different, some plot threads from the ISWG resolved, others left with ramifications and open ends (and so kicking off new adventures). But will we also see completely new plot hooks being written into the setting? Presumably, since the timeline has only advanced by a decade, that would necessitate these original story threads tie in to regions outside the Inner Sea, even if the adventures are still going to occur there (would this be one of the reasons for a full map?).

3) We're calling it "Lost Omens"? And partitioning the setting into 10 regions? Why? Honest question: why decide that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, successfully referred to as "the Pathfinder Campaign Setting" for a solid IRL decade, needed to have another name and needed any partitioning? Because this honestly reminds me of the whole "we're not calling them 'races'; instead, they're going to be called 'ancestries'" thing.

Curious to see changes in world lore.

I am curious about the two-sided giant poster map.
How big will it be?
Will it be bound-in?

I assume one side will show the 8 continents of Golarion and the other will depict the "Inner Sea Region", hopefully not only with borders for the 10 new regions like "Saga Lands", but also with their component lands like "Varisia", "New Thassilon" & "Irissen" visible inside.

I wish we could get a poster map folio down the road - that's the only thing i am missing with Starfinder too.

I hope the map is really big, I got a spot reserved for it on my wall. ^^

Yep, there's one subscription I'm not going to be dropping... :D

What i don't like about this product is that it's only 126 pages (the Inner Sea World Guide has 320 pages, Starfinder Pact Worlds has 216).
A standard Pathfinder AP has 96 pages.
Even if i assume that the "Races", "Religion", "Life", "Factions", "Adventuring" & "Monsters" chapters have been moved into the CRB & Bestiary (as Golarion is now the standard setting), the previous "The Inner Sea" chapter had 180 pages.
If i only count the old 41 regions, 4 pages each, i come up to 164 pages.

Now that we have 10 regions we only need one map for four regions, which clears up some more space.

But if i take into account that we get backgrounds & archetypes, i can't shake the feeling that something will be left on the cutting room floor.

But if i take into account that we get backgrounds & archetypes, i can't shake the feeling that something will be left on the cutting room floor.

...probably the next year's worth of World Guide products.

Erik Mona, I believe, mentioned that the first two World Guides are broad overviews while subsequent ones delve into the nitty-gritty of different regions.

Will the map be available separately for those who like having their entire library contained in a 12.9" screen and not on a 4000lb bookshelf?

I can answer that now: All of them. :P

Not that all of them will have resolutions wide-ranging or notable enough to be mentioned in this book though... some APs are pretty low key from a historical point if the PCs win (which is going to be the assumption for all of them, I suspect... I'm not too fond of hard-coding into the campaign something that says YOUR PLAYER CHARCTERS ARE FAILURES by assuming one of the Adventure Paths is a canonically regarded a failure...).

Mr. Jacobs i'm not totally agree with you on this.

... some APs are pretty low key from a historical point if the PCs win (which is going to be the assumption for all of them, I suspect... I'm not too fond of hard-coding into the campaign something that says YOUR PLAYER CHARCTERS ARE FAILURES by assuming one of the Adventure Paths is a canonically regarded a failure...).

I would be very interested in an alternate post-apocalyptic Golarion "failed omens world guide" in which Golarion is reeling from the successive shocks of every AP's worst case scenario coming to pass. Probably at odds with what you have planned for the core setting, but a later supplement perhaps?

Paizo has already stated they don't want to release multiple different campaign settings and Alternate Universes/Timelines count as that <_<

Like I'm just glad if we ever see the full worldmap of Golarion pre earthfall :P I don't need detailed campaign setting book on world around the time, but having the map would be nice for time travel or AU "Hey let's place on world were Earthfall never happened" home campaigns

I would be very interested in an alternate post-apocalyptic Golarion "failed omens world guide" in which Golarion is reeling from the successive shocks of every AP's worst case scenario coming to pass. Probably at odds with what you have planned for the core setting, but a later supplement perhaps?

Well.. How to say it? Ahem.