Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

There are 3 races, two of them are plant creatures (vine leshy and another one that's already been printed... but I don't remember much about it).

Just speculating here, since I wasn't there:

Ghoran is the Plant race in Inner Sea races. Could this be the other Plant race in this book?

If the non-Plant race isn't totally new, the Skinwalker would be a logical candidate to get some love in this book.

Ghoran was the one mentioned. I just couldn't remember the name.

This is sounding like a cool book. Thanks Benjamin for sharing info.

Happy the Phytokineticist is getting the reprint, and finally getting it's basic skill.

Rysky wrote:

LESHIES!!!!!!!!!!

So the Leshies get a PC race and STILL no love for gremlins?!?

This is an OUTRAGE! Someone get my lawyer...

Well gremlins literally being the fey creature embodyment of destructive impulse does make them a bit more difficult to manage. Then again we have goblins as possible pcs so again it's random speculation on my part.

So far I like the shifter, but I do hope they get an archetype that lets them shift into dragons. Just because. :P :)

Or Fey. Fey is cool.

The only plant immunity that I didn't like players having was mind-affecting effects and that is easy to fix without an issue.

So far I like the shifter, but I do hope they get an archetype that lets them shift into dragons. Just because. :P :)

Or Fey. Fey is cool.

I actually hope there is an archetype that allows them to function as doppelgangers....perfectly impersonating specific individuals ala Mystique style....

Nighttree,

I thought that's what Kitsune already do with a feat...

Nighttree,

I thought that's what Kitsune already do with a feat...

???

Nighttree,

Try here

There's a difference between a race and a class being able to do it, though. Not all GM's allow kitsune or races outside of the core races.

In fact, in my experience, most don't. My GM allows us to use any sources except races are restricted to base races.

Kitsune also won't be allowed at PFS forever.

Verzen,

Mmm. You make an excellent point that I had not considered. Thank you.

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So far I like the shifter, but I do hope they get an archetype that lets them shift into dragons. Just because. :P :)

Or Fey. Fey is cool.

I actually hope there is an archetype that allows them to function as doppelgangers....perfectly impersonating specific individuals ala Mystique style....

They should most definitely make one, but I'm not sure how they would without giving them all the tools upfront.

Would be interesting, though.

The only plant immunity that I didn't like players having was mind-affecting effects and that is easy to fix without an issue.

I don't know, I think it's kind of annoying that if you want to be a plant druid you can't use wild shape...

...which reminds me, I hope there's options for plant companions for more than just treesinger (preferably anyone with an animal companion, but at least the hunter), and some more plant-based familiars than just the petrifern would be neat too.

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that. Hopefully, it avoid the 2 + Int mod skill points per level.

PFS already had Kitsune allowed a few years back. It will be interesting to see the ooze shapechanger.

Shifter iconic

No name yet. :)

Hmm, either Vudrani or Shoanti?

I'm guessing the latter, Decius.

Shifter iconic

No name yet. :)

her clothing style is strongly Egyptian, most likely Garundi or at least from Osirian, Maybe Kelesh?

99% certain she's Shoanti. ^_^

(I'm at the banquet.)

Looks like Decius wins the no-prize prize! Or is that me?

Hoping for d12 HD. I'm super excited, but trying to manage expectations in case it isn't what I want.

This is sounding like a cool book. Thanks Benjamin for sharing info.

Happy the Phytokineticist is getting the reprint, and finally getting it's basic skill.

Not a problem, wanted to let people know what they could.

Oh, and Luthorne, thanks for reminding me! They did say they were opening up plant companions to other races.

Shifter iconic

No name yet. :)

Well, they won't get accused of making another "stripper/escort" type this time, so that one less list of complains to worry about.

The idea of a dedicated shapeshifter class is solid. It's been hard to do that. It's a better niche than half the classes in the ACG. And, honestly, what I expected from the hunter before they revealed that was a pet class.

I want to know what other archetypes there are.

Oh, and Luthorne, thanks for reminding me! They did say they were opening up plant companions to other races.

Good to hear!

I agree Jester David, a shapeshifter class is a better niche then everything in the ACG. As much as I like the swashbuckler it still had a major flaw for what is was supposed to be, a dex base fighter, yet it didn't get a dex to damage built in class feature.

Not that impressed with the iconic shifter's art but how I feel about class when I see it is more important.

Maybe the weird bat thing is the shifter.

99% certain she's Shoanti. ^_^

(I'm at the banquet.)

Kind of looks Native American, so maybe Arcadia? IIRC we still don't have any iconics from Not!Americas

Kalindlara wrote:

99% certain she's Shoanti. ^_^

(I'm at the banquet.)

Kind of looks Native American, so maybe Arcadia? IIRC we still don't have any iconics from Not!Americas

Looks more like Aztec elements to the clothing than Egyptian...I could see Shoanti or Arcadian....

Without knowing much about the iconic, I feel Arcadian is a safer bet than Shoanti, if only because there's a decent effort on Paizo's part to have human Iconics of different ethnic groups whenever possible. I don't know that we have any actual ethnic overlap between human Iconics at this point, honestly. (If I remember right, Freya, Yoon, Reiko, and Hayamoto are all different Tien ethnic groups.)

David knott 242 wrote:

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

There are 3 races, two of them are plant creatures (vine leshy and another one that's already been printed... but I don't remember much about it).

Just speculating here, since I wasn't there:

Ghoran is the Plant race in Inner Sea races. Could this be the other Plant race in this book?

If the non-Plant race isn't totally new, the Skinwalker would be a logical candidate to get some love in this book.

Ghoran was the one mentioned. I just couldn't remember the name.

Any news about the third race? The non-plant one. I hope it's an insect like race... *-*

Sorry, I don't remember. I know it wasn't lizardfolk, that was guessed... I just don't remember, and neither does my wife. I believe ours a pre-existing one, though.

Oh, a pre-existing one... Probably the skinwalker.

*-* Look! The cover!

One of the blog with some info and pic.

Without knowing much about the iconic, I feel Arcadian is a safer bet than Shoanti, if only because there's a decent effort on Paizo's part to have human Iconics of different ethnic groups whenever possible.

Same thought here. They've already got a Shoanti iconic in the Bloodrager, so an Arcadian could cover some new ground.

And the picture is definitely giving me a meso-american vibe. Jaguar knights and eagle knights for the win!

(Does anyone say 'for the win' anymore? Oh dear, I'm uncool...)

You're good Set, being 10 years behind on memes is still quite a good score for a PNP gamer ;-)

WOW
I want this cover as a print!

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

There are 3 races, two of them are plant creatures (vine leshy and another one that's already been printed... but I don't remember much about it).

Just speculating here, since I wasn't there:

Ghoran is the Plant race in Inner Sea races. Could this be the other Plant race in this book?

If the non-Plant race isn't totally new, the Skinwalker would be a logical candidate to get some love in this book.

Ghoran was the one mentioned. I just couldn't remember the name.

Any news about the third race? The non-plant one. I hope it's an insect like race... *-*

Third race was confirmed to be a galathian update. Sub-fey race with wings, small size, they were in Bestiary 3(4?). Wondering if these new races will be considered core.

Poor Skinwalkers ;_;

So.... 1 new race? And two reprints from the RPG-line? That's abit odd.

So.... 1 new race? And two reprints from the RPG-line? That's abit odd.

I'm not convinced they'll be reprints, precisely. Sounds like they'll be using errata to change some of their more troubling aspects, like typical plant immunities having polymorph so a ghoran can't really be a feral druid. They also mentioned each of these gets treatment on the level of the core races got in Advanced Race Guide, so lots of alternate racial traits, archetypes and feats.

Over all, it seemed to me that to call it a reprint would be like calling a lion a cat. Technically true, but a disservice to what it actually is.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

There are 3 races, two of them are plant creatures (vine leshy and another one that's already been printed... but I don't remember much about it).

Just speculating here, since I wasn't there:

Ghoran is the Plant race in Inner Sea races. Could this be the other Plant race in this book?

If the non-Plant race isn't totally new, the Skinwalker would be a logical candidate to get some love in this book.

Ghoran was the one mentioned. I just couldn't remember the name.

Any news about the third race? The non-plant one. I hope it's an insect like race... *-*

Third race was confirmed to be a galathian update. Sub-fey race with wings, small size, they were in Bestiary 3(4?). Wondering if these new races will be considered core.

Really interesting that the Gathlain are getting even more stuff, seeing as they just got even more stuff from Legacy of the First World. Hopefully it's not just a reprint from there.

From the description so far....I wonder what's going to distinguish the Shifter from the Feral Hunter ?

Patrick Curtin wrote:

Shifter iconic

No name yet. :)

Well, they won't get accused of making another "stripper/escort" type this time, so that one less list of complains to worry about.

I don't know about that...you can see her ankles and knees. Scandalous! ;)

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that.

Because it's awful that they can't shapeshift as a combat option for five whole levels? Woohoo, claw attacks you'd be better off not using and getting a two handed weapon. It sounds like a "here, be a shapeshifter eventually but until you can actually shapeshift use a weapon like everyone else."

Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that.

Because it's awful that they can't shapeshift as a combat option for five whole levels? Woohoo, claw attacks you'd be better off not using and getting a two handed weapon. It sounds like a "here, be a shapeshifter eventually but until you can actually shapeshift use a weapon like everyone else."

At early levels, natural attacks are an incredibly solid option. Why do you think Feral Mutagen is so good? Not to mention it sounds like the Shifter has more than just claws and wild shape in their "shapeshifting" repertoire. We only know 2 of their class features, and only the bare minimum of each. It's a little early to be so pessimistic, don't you think?

Azten wrote:

Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that.

Because it's awful that they can't shapeshift as a combat option for five whole levels? Woohoo, claw attacks you'd be better off not using and getting a two handed weapon. It sounds like a "here, be a shapeshifter eventually but until you can actually shapeshift use a weapon like everyone else."

At early levels, natural attacks are an incredibly solid option. Why do you think Feral Mutagen is so good? Not to mention it sounds like the Shifter has more than just claws and wild shape in their "shapeshifting" repertoire. We only know 2 of their class features, and only the bare minimum of each. It's a little early to be so pessimistic, don't you think?

Ah, you're new to Azten, aren't you?

Brew Bird wrote:

Azten wrote:

Guy St-Amant wrote:

Dunno how I feel about the Shifter getting Wild Shape at 5th level, but I am guessing many will be pissed off by that.

Because it's awful that they can't shapeshift as a combat option for five whole levels? Woohoo, claw attacks you'd be better off not using and getting a two handed weapon. It sounds like a "here, be a shapeshifter eventually but until you can actually shapeshift use a weapon like everyone else."

At early levels, natural attacks are an incredibly solid option. Why do you think Feral Mutagen is so good? Not to mention it sounds like the Shifter has more than just claws and wild shape in their "shapeshifting" repertoire. We only know 2 of their class features, and only the bare minimum of each. It's a little early to be so pessimistic, don't you think?

Ah, you're new to Azten, aren't you?

Uh oh, is he one of those guys?