Am I the only one who finds the "every cantrip" logic absurd in the first place?
What is this amazing magical force that populates every wizard's spell book across every continent and every dimension with a new cantrip automatically just because Tim the Enchanter developed a custom cantrip to wash the party's laundry?
"A standard spellbook includes all cantrips from the Core Rulebook except those in the wizard’s oppositional schools. Books containing cantrips from additional sources are noted in the content description."
My impression of the RAI was that by the time wizards hit first level, they automatically got all the standard cantrips (detailed in the PF Core Book) from their apprenticeship/training. The standard cantrips are like the building blocks of stronger spells. For example, a basic 1st level carpenter is no master craftsman, but he/she should probably be trained in all the basic woodworking skills with common local wood varieties: sawing, sanding, basic joinery, fasteners, woodstaining/varnishing, etc.
New basic knowledge/techniques, like maybe simple inlays, simple scrollwork, and the basics of working with exotic woods (teak, lignum vitae, etc.), probably wouldn't be standard training. But, they are simple enough to learn once the carpenter is exposed to them and practices enough. Similarly, non-standard cantrips are easy to learn once a wizard knows they exist and then does the research.
Ergo, the way I read it, all cantrips from additional sources would not be known by any and all level 1 wizards. They would have to find them and add them to their spellbook, same as any other spell.
To be consistent with Ultimate Magic, the CRB should be given an errata in the Spellbook part of the Wizard class (page 79), such as "A wizard begins play with a spellbook containing all 0-level wizard spells in this book (except those from his prohibited schools, if any; see Arcane Schools) plus three 1st-level spells of his choice."
+1
For the Bard I like the Animal speaker and Song healer archtypes best and even better they stack with each other.
|
I was going through the spell books (pg 123) and a number of spells weren't in the spells at the back.
Jolt (0th)-pg 121 Unnamed Journal
Breeze (0th)-pg 124 arctic call
Scoop (0th) pg 124 Quest eternal
Comet (5th)- pg 124 Insights of Farseeing
Pierce reality (5th)" "
Lightning field (6th) pg 125 Grand Fathers legacy
Transfer Intelligence (5th) " "
Hungry are the dead (0th) " "
Reinforcing Bands (2nd) pg-125 Guardian Grimiore
Root (0th)- pg 126 Manual of Binding
Choose Fate (9th)- pg 126 Library of the dancer of skins
Rainbow helix (4th)-pg 127 Library of the dancer of skins
Fantastic reach (2nd)- " "
Metabolize (2nd)- " "
Thunderclap (6th)- pg 127 Mastery of word and thought
hush (1st)- " "These spells sound like they can be really cool so what happened to them?
Cantrips got axed from the book for design reasons.
I was going through the spell books (pg 123) and a number of spells weren't in the spells at the back.
Jolt (0th)-pg 121 Unnamed Journal
Breeze (0th)-pg 124 arctic call
Scoop (0th) pg 124 Quest eternal
Comet (5th)- pg 124 Insights of Farseeing
Pierce reality (5th)" "
Lightning field (6th) pg 125 Grand Fathers legacy
Transfer Intelligence (5th) " "
Hungry are the dead (0th) " "
Reinforcing Bands (2nd) pg-125 Guardian Grimiore
Root (0th)- pg 126 Manual of Binding
Choose Fate (9th)- pg 126 Library of the dancer of skins
Rainbow helix (4th)-pg 127 Library of the dancer of skins
Fantastic reach (2nd)- " "
Metabolize (2nd)- " "
Thunderclap (6th)- pg 127 Mastery of word and thought
hush (1st)- " "These spells sound like they can be really cool so what happened to them?
Cut for space and will be coming out in Ultimate Combat, maybe? At least, I hope that is what happened so that we can eventually see these spells.
|
There is some resistance to adding new 0-level spells to the game because it means wizards get all of them automatically, which is a little unfair to classes with a limited number of spells known (bard, oracle, sorc, etc.)."stuff..."Am I the only one who finds the "every cantrip" logic absurd in the first place?
What is this amazing magical force that populates every wizard's spell book across every continent and every dimension with a new cantrip automatically just because Tim the Enchanter developed a custom cantrip to wash the party's laundry?
The idea behind the cantrips being in every wizards spell book is that they are so common that they get to be part of the Wizards book BECAUSE they are SO common. It is not magically put in place across continents and the like. If a "new" cantrip comes in to place then it should NOT be part of a wizards spell book because it is not that common yet. Once it does then yes it should get put in. This is one of the advantages to being a wizard over a sorcerer. So as you implied this is simply not the case. They are just handed down from generation to generation and from wizard to wizard across continents and the even the planes of existence. They have been around so long they are common and have easy access to them.
Can anyone tell me what kinds of goodies the bladebound magus archetype gets, and if there are any new feats that mesh with the magus well?
Got my PDF, and the only thing I felt was missing are racial favored class benefits for the Magus. Any chance we can get those as a blog post or something? Or will they detailed in a future book?+1
Incremented
I have a humble request: is there any way we could know which designer did which part of UM?That can be tricky to work out even as the designers, at least for freelancers. I know what I wrote, but I don't have the book yet so I can't say for certain what made it in. And even when I do get the book, development can change/rename/combine freelancer contributions until we aren't sure what to take credit for.
Does stuff that freelancers write that don't make it in generally show up in other work they make?
Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6
|
Does stuff that freelancers write that don't make it in generally show up in other work they make?
Usually we're told that if it got cut once, it's probably not good enough for a second chance :) Occasionally I've seen outlines that included bits that got cut from other products.
Edit: I should add that submitting it to anyone else isn't an option. Paizo buys all the words I write for them lock stock and barrel, whether or not it makes it into the book :)
Does stuff that freelancers write that don't make it in generally show up in other work they make?I have a humble request: is there any way we could know which designer did which part of UM?That can be tricky to work out even as the designers, at least for freelancers. I know what I wrote, but I don't have the book yet so I can't say for certain what made it in. And even when I do get the book, development can change/rename/combine freelancer contributions until we aren't sure what to take credit for.
Sometimes! Sometimes Paizo will let us post those things up here, and sometimes they suggest that we not do so (in quiet, menacing tones of voice, sometimes accompanied with a few quick strikes from an iron bar to our typing fingers). These spells might have been cut for flavor, for balance, for space, or for any number of reasons.
Sadness! I was hoping options cut for reasons of space could be put elsewhere, so I could see what awesomeness was cooked up but not left in.
Oh well, back to scouring the 3rd Party Compatible page...
Can anyone tell me what kinds of goodies the bladebound magus archetype gets, and if there are any new feats that mesh with the magus well?
To be brief on it, the black blade can only be a certain type of weapon (One-handed slashing, a rapier or a sword cane; I think the restrictions on what types of blades can be used is friggin' silly, what if I want a short sword as a black blade?!). Bladebound magi get less pool points because their weapon gets some too, and the weapon gets a couple cool, but not really worthwhile abilities.
It's a fluff archetype, really.
Tons of cool stuff in this book! I love the Spellbook section. I would love to see some Golarion specific spellbooks in the Inner Sea: Magic in the same format.
|
|
Meanwhile, over at Amazon.com, Ultimate Magic hits number 269 in bestseller rank of books. Out of all Amazon books. Yeah, it's up there among top dogs such as carb diet guides and memoirs of former US presidents or almost-vice-presidents. Best I've ever seen with Core Rulebook was something around number 900.
That's in case if anybody was wondering how caster splatbooks sell.
|
Meanwhile, over at Amazon.com, Ultimate Magic hits number 269 in bestseller rank of books. Out of all Amazon books. Yeah, it's up there among top dogs such as carb diet guides and memoirs of former US presidents or almost-vice-presidents. Best I've ever seen with Core Rulebook was something around number 900.
That's in case if anybody was wondering how caster splatbooks sell.
Its impressive, no doubt. As a side note, the PF RPG core rules book is #2 in the fantasy gaming category behind Ultimate Magic.
It's a fluff archetype, really.
I think it is actually a prety good take on Elric of Melnibone. The Black Blade is a Stormbringer/Mournblade type of weapon that grows in power with the Magus.
It's flavorful and captures an iconic Sword & Sorcery character very well. Works for me :)
CEO
|
Meanwhile, over at Amazon.com, Ultimate Magic hits number 269 in bestseller rank of books. Out of all Amazon books. Yeah, it's up there among top dogs such as carb diet guides and memoirs of former US presidents or almost-vice-presidents. Best I've ever seen with Core Rulebook was something around number 900.
That's in case if anybody was wondering how caster splatbooks sell.
There was a time when the Core Rulebook had just released that it cracked the top 100. I took a screen shot of that to save for posterity. But having Ultimate Magic that high is wonderful!
-Lisa
Ummm ok, I pre-ordered UM, everyone else has it before me (why?) and I got email saying it shipped but I have no pdf download-able for it (why?)
|
|
Ummm ok, I pre-ordered UM, everyone else has it before me (why?) and I got email saying it shipped but I have no pdf download-able for it (why?)
PDFs are only for subscriptions. I received my shipping e-mail on Friday the 6th and just received my package today, so it'll probably arrive shortly (assuming you're in the US).
|
Can anyone tell me what kinds of goodies the bladebound magus archetype gets, and if there are any new feats that mesh with the magus well?
Feats
Extra ArcanaExtra Arcane Pool
The Black Blade has its own arcane pool that it can spend.
It can turn all its damage into different elements or even force.
It can give its user SR.
Lots of neat tricks....
The Magus spells are tricky it depends on what you consider good.
It does get spells that turn it into Monsterous Humanoids or Undead with all the abilities:) I believe in the end it can go up to huge size or tiny as either....
Ummm ok, I pre-ordered UM, everyone else has it before me (why?) and I got email saying it shipped but I have no pdf download-able for it (why?)I think you only get the free PDF if you are a subscriber to the RPG line. If you'd merely pre-ordered it, then you'd just get the book with a 15% off the book price, because of the Pathfinder Advantage.
...it's always possible that if you write a nice letter to Customer Service saying that you didn't realise that, they may retrospectively alter your pre-order to an RPG line subscription and give access to the PDF too. I'm sure a staffer will comment about this last paragraph though!
I just went through this myself and they were very accommodating to say the least and were able to get me set up the way I wanted to be set up. My hat's off to Paizo yet again. I think at this point I should just leave it off and put on a hat wrack.
Ummm ok, I pre-ordered UM, everyone else has it before me (why?) and I got email saying it shipped but I have no pdf download-able for it (why?)I think you only get the free PDF if you are a subscriber to the RPG line. If you'd merely pre-ordered it, then you'd just get the book with a 15% off the book price, because of the Pathfinder Advantage.
...it's always possible that if you write a nice letter to Customer Service saying that you didn't realise that, they may retrospectively alter your pre-order to an RPG line subscription and give access to the PDF too. I'm sure a staffer will comment about this last paragraph though!
ooooooh ok that smeans i would automatically get stuff like UC etc when it came out eh?
I guess im so used to being an AP subscriber and always geeting the PDF eh?
What other kinds of stuff come with that subscription? There isnt always going to be a big rulebook on the horizon?
Ummm ok, I pre-ordered UM, everyone else has it before me (why?) and I got email saying it shipped but I have no pdf download-able for it (why?)PDFs are only for subscriptions. I received my shipping e-mail on Friday the 6th and just received my package today, so it'll probably arrive shortly (assuming you're in the US).
I honestly wasn't expecting my hard copy to get here 'till today at the earliest. I'm waiting for the mail to get here....but it's likely that the damn thing won't show up 'till wednesday. I'll have all of 3 hours to skim it before the start of game night.
*sigh*
|
|
Meanwhile, over at Amazon.com, Ultimate Magic hits number 269 in bestseller rank of books. Out of all Amazon books. Yeah, it's up there among top dogs such as carb diet guides and memoirs of former US presidents or almost-vice-presidents. Best I've ever seen with Core Rulebook was something around number 900.
That's in case if anybody was wondering how caster splatbooks sell.
There was a time when the Core Rulebook had just released that it cracked the top 100. I took a screen shot of that to save for posterity. But having Ultimate Magic that high is wonderful!
-Lisa
Lisa, Vic:
Amazon just pushed the relase date to July 11th - I know they love to do just that, but you might investigate.
Um... after UC, there's the Pathfinder RPG Basic Box (?) due out in the Autumn, but have no idea what's due to be released after that. I'm sure they'll hint or explicitly say at Paizocon and/or Gencon.
BTW, the Basic Box is heavy so if you live outside the USA you might want to cancel after getting the UC!
WHY would I want the basic set if I have the full blown rules? See that's the big loss in something like a subscription, any money you save will be blown on something worthless to you comming down the pipeline and forced down your throat.
I understand why the company would make a basic set, but I don't see that appealing to the majority of pathfinder players who are playing the main game. So having a subscription and getting that would be a penalty.
Um... after UC, there's the Pathfinder RPG Basic Box (?) due out in the Autumn, but have no idea what's due to be released after that. I'm sure they'll hint or explicitly say at Paizocon and/or Gencon.
BTW, the Basic Box is heavy so if you live outside the USA you might want to cancel after getting the UC!
WHY would I want the basic set if I have the full blown rules? See that's the big loss in something like a subscription, any money you save will be blown on something worthless to you comming down the pipeline and forced down your throat.
I understand why the company would make a basic set, but I don't see that appealing to the majority of pathfinder players who are playing the main game. So having a subscription and getting that would be a penalty.
ALL of their subscriptions are currently month to month. You are free to unsubscribe from any of their lines at any time you want. If there is something coming down the pike you don't want, post in customer service to cancel the subscription when its the next product in line. That's all.
There's no "penalty" to subscribing. There's actually a benefit, the early PDF. However, just like anything you've put down you want to keep getting until you say stop...you have keep an eye on the line so that you CAN tell them to stop. Paizo makes it extremely easy to manage your subscriptions via email, phone or message board post.
As has been pointed out before in this thread, you can cancel your subscription after Ultimate Combat comes out so you can skip the Beginner's Box, then reactivate it after the Beginner's Box has been released. All you have to do is notify customer service that you'd like to do this, either by messageboard post, email, or phone.
(Ninja'ed, I see...but worth repeating!)
As has been pointed out before in this thread, you can cancel your subscription after Ultimate Combat comes out so you can skip the Beginner's Box, then reactivate it after the Beginner's Box has been released. All you have to do is notify customer service that you'd like to do this, either by messageboard post, email, or phone.
(Ninja'ed, I see...but worth repeating!)
Seems like a pretty cheap thing to do and against the purpose and intent of subscribing.
Seems like a pretty cheap thing to do and against the purpose and intent of subscribing.As has been pointed out before in this thread, you can cancel your subscription after Ultimate Combat comes out so you can skip the Beginner's Box, then reactivate it after the Beginner's Box has been released. All you have to do is notify customer service that you'd like to do this, either by messageboard post, email, or phone.
(Ninja'ed, I see...but worth repeating!)
I'll point out that there are many subscribers like myself who are pleased that it is part of the subscription.
Plus, Paizo's "subscription" is really an at-will thing. If you are really adamant that you do not want a product, you can unsubscribe for that month - it's not like a magazine where you pre-pay for a year.
Seems like a pretty cheap thing to do and against the purpose and intent of subscribing.As has been pointed out before in this thread, you can cancel your subscription after Ultimate Combat comes out so you can skip the Beginner's Box, then reactivate it after the Beginner's Box has been released. All you have to do is notify customer service that you'd like to do this, either by messageboard post, email, or phone.
(Ninja'ed, I see...but worth repeating!)I'll point out that there are many subscribers like myself who are pleased that it is part of the subscription.
Plus, Paizo's "subscription" is really an at-will thing. If you are really adamant that you do not want a product, you can unsubscribe for that month - it's not like a magazine where you pre-pay for a year.
so that seems more like preordering (picking and choosing ahead of time) vs. subscribing which seems more like a "ill take everything" deal.
so that seems more like preordering (picking and choosing ahead of time) vs. subscribing which seems more like a "ill take everything" deal.Seems like a pretty cheap thing to do and against the purpose and intent of subscribing.As has been pointed out before in this thread, you can cancel your subscription after Ultimate Combat comes out so you can skip the Beginner's Box, then reactivate it after the Beginner's Box has been released. All you have to do is notify customer service that you'd like to do this, either by messageboard post, email, or phone.
(Ninja'ed, I see...but worth repeating!)I'll point out that there are many subscribers like myself who are pleased that it is part of the subscription.
Plus, Paizo's "subscription" is really an at-will thing. If you are really adamant that you do not want a product, you can unsubscribe for that month - it's not like a magazine where you pre-pay for a year.
Feel free to call it what you want, it seems like semantics to me at this point.
I'm waiting for my credit card to be charged and the notice that this and Broken Moon have shipped. I'm hoping it will be soon.
|
Um... after UC, there's the Pathfinder RPG Basic Box (?) due out in the Autumn, but have no idea what's due to be released after that. I'm sure they'll hint or explicitly say at Paizocon and/or Gencon.
BTW, the Basic Box is heavy so if you live outside the USA you might want to cancel after getting the UC!
I think Bestiary 3 will be announced at PaizoCon next month, on schedule for a December release... IIRC, it was the exact same pattern last year for Bestiary 2.
|
|
I think Bestiary 3 will be announced at PaizoCon next month, on schedule for a December release... IIRC, it was the exact same pattern last year for Bestiary 2.Um... after UC, there's the Pathfinder RPG Basic Box (?) due out in the Autumn, but have no idea what's due to be released after that. I'm sure they'll hint or explicitly say at Paizocon and/or Gencon.
BTW, the Basic Box is heavy so if you live outside the USA you might want to cancel after getting the UC!
Originally Bestiary II was suppose to be out in October I thought....or maybe that was the first Bestiary that got pushed back so far. I know the first one was suppose to be out In September when I was at Gencon 09' thinking that isn't that far away...then it got pushed back as well.
Trying to stay on schedule can be a pain sometimes, while announcing more awesome sauce to be released!
Sean
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
I'll point out that there are many subscribers like myself who are pleased that it is part of the subscription.
Include me in that list. Heck, two of my favourite games I ran were for kids, so discounted Boxed sets (and PDF for me) are a good thing.
I ran Sunken Citidel for a bunch of 10-12 year olds for a birthday party. It was a blast because I had one aunt helping to 'advise' her niece, and the other parents were rolling for the rats, making little rodent noises, one played Meepo etc. I think we all had fun.
|
|
So, tomorrow (Wed, May 18) is the street release date.
How does that translate into when I will see the book in places like retail book stores etc?
I have the book preordered at Barnes and Noble.com but it says the book is scheduled to ship June 6th!!!!
In theory, stores are good to go with selling the book from 18th.
However, B&N take Paizo books not from Paizo directly, but from Diamond/Alliance. And the date when they actually start to hand them out ... tends to vary, especially with big chains for whom this is book number 457302389, as opposed to LGS where it's a Big Thing.
So, tomorrow (Wed, May 18) is the street release date.
How does that translate into when I will see the book in places like retail book stores etc?
I have the book preordered at Barnes and Noble.com but it says the book is scheduled to ship June 6th!!!!
In theory, stores are good to go with selling the book from 18th.
However, B&N take Paizo books not from Paizo directly, but from Diamond/Alliance. And the date when they actually start to hand them out ... tends to vary, especially with big chains for whom this is book number 457302389, as opposed to LGS where it's a Big Thing.
I wish I'd known that before ordering my copy of Faiths of Purity from them. Now I'm getting one "just one more minor delay!" after another from them about it.
But thanks for the advice, and I'm still looking forward to getting my very own print copy of UM.
@ So the PDF is available at 2AM... Is that 2AM Eastern or Pacific?
I'm on the East coast, and over here it says 3, so I assume it's already calibrated to your location.