That makes no sense for Paizo. They are interested in new players, and new players should rather be spending $ on Paizo books, instead of scrambling for out-of-print WotC books. So, there will be some overlap.
But it's also counter-productive. Half the reason people are into Pathfinder is because of the ease of 3.5e backwards compatibility, and I believe Pathfinder RPG was partially created to gather the host of people that had a bunch of 3.5e books and didn't want to "start over".
When's the playtest?
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But it's also counter-productive. Half the reason people are into Pathfinder is because of the ease of 3.5e backwards compatibility, and I believe Pathfinder RPG was partially created to gather the host of people that had a bunch of 3.5e books and didn't want to "start over".
That makes no sense for Paizo. They are interested in new players, and new players should rather be spending $ on Paizo books, instead of scrambling for out-of-print WotC books. So, there will be some overlap.
And you don't have to buy the books. Jodi won't come over to your house and cleave your 3.x books.
At the same time, Paizo is moving forward, Razz. They have to address new options in their own fashion. So, you can use the old stuff, use Pathinder stuff, or mix and match *shrug*
Wow, this is going to be both fun and insane for me.
I had to pour through the APG Spells and Feats to see if WotC had any duplicates. I usually use WotC's as a default, with exceptions (such as using Lunge over Lunging Strike).
I do the same with spells. It bugs me having "duplicate" spells, where a WotC spell and a Pathfinder spell do almost the same thing with a few twists or a change in spell level and I have to scour each one and make a Word file reference which material is stamped "Confirmed" or "Denied" on it, basically. (for example, there's the Tsunami spell in Spell Compendium and Tsunami in the APG; the one in the Spell Compendium is clearly better than the APG, so I ruled the duplicate in APG out my games)
So, my one request to Paizo staff, look at your WotC books, particularly the Spell Compendium, and try not to make duplicates. The same with feats! It's kinda annoying and tiresome :D Be unique!
I have to disagree here. I don't have much 3E stuff and it's not like you can just go out and buy those extra books. While if you do have huge 3E collection of books you can use them with Pathfinder many of us can't so duplicated are more than welcome for me as I don't use any 3E books.
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Actually, now that APG is out and UM/UC are on the horizon, I declare a Fresh Start for my games. The Completes, the Tomes, the Heroes, the Funky Sourcebooks are all going for their well deserved holiday, and my PF games will be run only on Paizo PC material. I'll keep some monster books around until the PF Bestiary count goes up, but in general I consider PFRPG to be a great opportunity to slim down my shelves and discourage obsessive dumpster diving in my games. Hence the reset.
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Actually, now that APG is out and UM/UC are on the horizon, I declare a Fresh Start for my games. The Completes, the Tomes, the Heroes, the Funky Sourcebooks are all going for their well deserved holiday, and my PF games will be run only on Paizo PC material. I'll keep some monster books around until the PF Bestiary count goes up, but in general I consider PFRPG to be a great opportunity to slim down my shelves and discourage obsessive dumpster diving in my games. Hence the reset.
Agreed. I'd point out that the APG is at least two complete books in content, if not more. It also helps that it's our DMs first run at Pathfinder, so we're just using the Core Rules and Bestiary.
At the same time, Paizo is moving forward, Razz. They have to address new options in their own fashion. So, you can use the old stuff, use Pathinder stuff, or mix and match *shrug*
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Actually, now that APG is out and UM/UC are on the horizon, I declare a Fresh Start for my games. The Completes, the Tomes, the Heroes, the Funky Sourcebooks are all going for their well deserved holiday, and my PF games will be run only on Paizo PC material. I'll keep some monster books around until the PF Bestiary count goes up, but in general I consider PFRPG to be a great opportunity to slim down my shelves and discourage obsessive dumpster diving in my games. Hence the reset.
I did that last week, actually, putting my 3.x books into boxes. It's not that Pathfinder RPG is not as backwards compatible as Paizo promotes it as. It is. It's just that, wih the 4 rulebooks they've published so far, they've shown me that Pathfinder RPG books is all I need to create the characters and games I want. Heck, the Advanced Player's Guide alone contains a ton of options that, to me, are superior to previous game mechanics.
That said, I'm keeping my 3.x book. I am a collector, after all. :D
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Actually, now that APG is out and UM/UC are on the horizon, I declare a Fresh Start for my games. The Completes, the Tomes, the Heroes, the Funky Sourcebooks are all going for their well deserved holiday, and my PF games will be run only on Paizo PC material. I'll keep some monster books around until the PF Bestiary count goes up, but in general I consider PFRPG to be a great opportunity to slim down my shelves and discourage obsessive dumpster diving in my games. Hence the reset.I did that last week, actually, putting my 3.x books into boxes. It's not that Pathfinder RPG is not as backwards compatible as Paizo promotes it as. It is. It's just that, wih the 4 rulebooks they've published so far, they've shown me that Pathfinder RPG books is all I need to create the characters and games I want. Heck, the Advanced Player's Guide alone contains a ton of options that, to me, are superior to previous game mechanics.
I completely agree, and I did the same already when Beta came out. :)
I have to disagree here. I don't have much 3E stuff and it's not like you can just go out and buy those extra books. While if you do have huge 3E collection of books you can use them with Pathfinder many of us can't so duplicated are more than welcome for me as I don't use any 3E books.Wow, this is going to be both fun and insane for me.
I had to pour through the APG Spells and Feats to see if WotC had any duplicates. I usually use WotC's as a default, with exceptions (such as using Lunge over Lunging Strike).
I do the same with spells. It bugs me having "duplicate" spells, where a WotC spell and a Pathfinder spell do almost the same thing with a few twists or a change in spell level and I have to scour each one and make a Word file reference which material is stamped "Confirmed" or "Denied" on it, basically. (for example, there's the Tsunami spell in Spell Compendium and Tsunami in the APG; the one in the Spell Compendium is clearly better than the APG, so I ruled the duplicate in APG out my games)
So, my one request to Paizo staff, look at your WotC books, particularly the Spell Compendium, and try not to make duplicates. The same with feats! It's kinda annoying and tiresome :D Be unique!
And even if some of us have the 3E material, we just don't have the time and/or willpower to covert it over to Pathfinder.
This looks awesome!
I look forward to the Magus Playtest!
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Eh, not sure about how excited I should get about this product.
I love spellcasters and they are really powerful already from about levels 5+, I just hope none of the rules in here allow players to make broken spellcasters.
However from what I saw in the APG you guys are pretty good at making really balanced alternate class options, Feats, and spells, so I will definitely buy this product and try it out in my games.
This is yet another gaming book I must have!
I can't imagine a gaming library as rich as the Pathfinder collection. Eternal thanks be to Paizo!!
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Actually, now that APG is out and UM/UC are on the horizon, I declare a Fresh Start for my games. The Completes, the Tomes, the Heroes, the Funky Sourcebooks are all going for their well deserved holiday, and my PF games will be run only on Paizo PC material. I'll keep some monster books around until the PF Bestiary count goes up, but in general I consider PFRPG to be a great opportunity to slim down my shelves and discourage obsessive dumpster diving in my games. Hence the reset.
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And here I am echoing (somewhat) Merrickcale's call out!
Any news yet on when we might see a playtest for the Magus and the Words of Power spellcasting system?
And here I am echoing (somewhat) Merrickcale's call out!
Any news yet on when we might see a playtest for the Magus and the Words of Power spellcasting system?
Yasha wipe that up. :)
Yasha wipe that up. :)
Hey, stop judging me. Aboleth can't help but be somewhat mucous challenged. And who are you to talk? You're slavering worse then I am, Mr. Hound of Tindalos.
Thanks Vic! I really wasn't expecting a response, just tossing that out to let all you folks at Paizo know that I'm interested (as I'm sure others are as well...except Sebastian, we know his opinions don't matter).
Thanks again!
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I just decided to make a Vermin Druid for our new campaign! Sucks that I'll have to wait 7 months to see how to do it properly...Unless the rules for this are released, say, for subscribers? :)
Some of this will be going into an open playtest, but I would be suprised if the vermin druid is in there. However, I'm sure there are a couple of feats in one of the Paizo books about a Vermin companion, although I can't remember where.
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And here I am echoing (somewhat) Merrickcale's call out!
Any news yet on when we might see a playtest for the Magus ?
I'm very anxious to see what the Magus ends up looking like as well!
Until then, you could always try out the Vanguard class
Just saying :)
As long as I get a decent favored class option for Half-Elven Sorcerers I'll be happy.
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In the APG we got a good list of stuff but I think we have enough bloodlines. If new bloodlines come out with every book we'll be flooded with blood lines and each will be static to what is in that book. I think the blood lines, even domains & wizards schools, should have an option in each one where a character can change out something within a blood line for something else, like what was done for Paladins in the APG.
---- Oh yeah, and how do people get in on play testing
Then you use the material in your game, put it through its paces, and come back here and share your observations.
Whoah, sounds way too involved. I think I'll just sit here and say everything's simultaneously overpowered and underpowered without having to exert myself with playtesting.
That cat is dead...
Long live the cat.
I think it's safe to say since there's no mention of Prestige Classes, then none will be included in the book. As much as I would like to have a Shifter/Master of Many Forms conversion, would it be possible to at least round out the polymorph school, so I can make my own conversion for the time being, specifically adding:
- Vermin Form
- Ooze Form
- Aberration Form
- Fey Form
- Monstrous Humanoid Form
Playtesting of Ultimate Magic starts next Monday
Well, ruin my weekend why don't you? Now you have me counting the minutes until Monday... that's just unnatural :)
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Playtesting of Ultimate Magic starts next Monday
Ow! My "ears"!
Anywhoo, yeah. Wes posted the news on the Paizo blog (linked above). Can't wait to try out the Magus and the alternative magic system.
Ultimate Magic Playtest starts Monday
<Steeples fingers and in a purring voice>
Yessssss
Just when I thought I could be all "meh" about another book coming up, you toss in more options for the 14 classes.. Now I'm all like "ooh!"
The 'words of power alternate magic system' has me all aflutter.
I don't have any idea what it will be, but the possibilities are crazymaking!
No doubt, I have been a fan of this idea since I got into Paladium Fantasy back in 1985 or so, and I play with my current incarnation of that with my version of the Runemark. It will be nice to see what 25 years of thought have to bring to the table when pulled from the collective minds of Paizo.
The Magus class...great, something that'll step on the Duskblade's toes...and Eldritch Knight's. And hasn't the whole "be a warrior/spellcaster mix" gish thing been done to death!?
Hold on --- why are we getting a Magus when we have the Eldritch Knight in Pathfinder?