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Raise your character to the pinnacle of magical might with Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Ultimate Magic! Within this book, secrets arcane and divine lie ready to burst into life at the hands of all the spellcasting classes in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. In addition to the brand-new magus class—a master of both arcane magic and martial prowess—you'll also find a whole new system for spellcasting, rules for spell duels and other magical specialities, and pages upon pages of new spells, feats, and more. Because when it comes to magic, why settle for less than absolute power?

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Ultimate Magic is a must-have companion volume to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook. This imaginitive tabletop game builds on more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium.

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Ultimate Magic includes:

  • The magus, a new base class combining deadly arcane magic with the skills and weapons of a trained warrior.
  • Words of power, an innovative and flexible new spellcasting system.
  • New options for dedicated casters, such as alchemist discoveries, alternative uses for channeled energy, druid companions, sorcerer bloodlines, eidolon abilities, witch hexes, and oracle mysteries.
  • Additional feats and magical abilities for martially oriented casters, including monk ki tricks, inquisitor archetypes, and ranger traps.
  • New magical conditions called spellblihgts, as well as systems for crafting constructs, binding outsiders, and spell-dueling.
  • More than 100 new spells, plus detailed guidelines for designing your own.
  • ... and much, much more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-299-9

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Not enough Oracle support

3/5

A great work, I love the magus class and there are tons of goodies in here for anyone who can utter a cantrip, but what burns me is that there are no new Oracle curses in this book, one of the major reasons I bought it as the description of the book on the website specifically says alternate curses. There are absolutely none. Other than this MAJOR oversight, this is a good book. But come on Paizo, at least deliver on what you advertised for the Oracle.

-X


Good book with a few problems.

4/5

Here comes the second PFRPG splatbook after APG, this time focused on magic-using classes. First thing that leads to me knocking a star off right away - 4 classes (Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian, Cavalier) are out of luck here, as no material for them appears in UM (barring a few feats). That wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for the news that Ultimate Combat will feature new stuff for ALL classes, meaning that martials get a bit shafted. Nothing major, but had to get that off the chest.

So, the book itself. Here it goes:

CHAPTER 1: Spellcasters

Opens up with Magus, the new base class. Magus is a med-BAB bard spell progression class which matches melee combat with offensive spellcasting. I'm pleased to say that it is very well written. Suggestions from open playtest were included and refined. The class is solid, and even features a few new archetypes (including Bladebound for all Elric fans out there).

Right next are new options for existing classes:

Alchemists made it out like bandits with new discoveries and archetypes. The class was solid in APG and goes firmly better in UM. Tumour familiar and parasitic twin are creepily cool.

Bards get Masterpieces, which are somewhat underwhelming power-wise, and a few new archetypes. Wish they got more, Bards have great potential.

Clerics get variant channelling, which is great if you want to replace the standard healing/damaging for something more flavorful. Several archetypes are present, including the much-demanded Cloistered Cleric. No new domains, sadly.

Druids are in for a treat. New domains, new animal companion and a big bunch of archetypes. Dragon Shamans ahoy! And now yes you can have a Spider companion. Yuck.

Inquisitors have now an option of swapping out the domain for a new feature called, surprise, Inquisitions. They also have a few new archetypes. Solid work here.

Monks get vows which are ... disappointing to say at least. Ironically enough, the book includes a PF version of vow of poverty which, honestly, sucks. The other vows aren't that much better. Monks get only one archetype which is quite good, but not enough to make Monk players happy.

Oracles have five new mysteries and a couple archetypes. No new curses. I'd really love more mysteries, I still lack a few concepts here.

Paladins can now take the Oathbound archetype, which gives them access to several thematic oaths.

Rangers get the Trapper archetype, which is not all that great sadly. Nothing else besides, another class that should rather be looking forward to Ultimate Combat.

Sorcerers - new bloodlines and two archetypes that deal with bloodline mechanics. Nothing dramatic here.

Summoners are another class which went to town for shopping. New base form for Eidolon, new evolutions and new archetypes, including the oft-requested "mass summoner" and my personal fave, the Synthesist. Guyver time!

Witches get a complete package - new hexes, new patrons and new archetypes. Solid expansion of APG material.

Finally, Wizards. Wizards get a single archetype and 2 elemental wizard schools, but the party is at Arcane Discoveries which may replace bonus feats. Some of those are really powerful.

CHAPTER 2: Mastering Magic

Contains new and variant rules. Spellblights are magic-related afflictions which can hinder a spellcaster in new ways. Spell Duels chapter details just that, spellcaster duels. The next section focuses on binding outsiders, another feature that's underdeveloped in core rules. New rules for construct creation and customization are REALLY cool. New familiars are always welcome. Coming up next are sample spellbooks, which are amazingly useful but mired by editing errors that left several spells "orphaned". Finally, the section on spell design offers some insight into just that. Not my cup of tea, but fans of poking inside designer's minds will be happy.

CHAPTER 3: Feats

The compulsory feats chapter is quite large and includes dozens of new ways to customize your character. The feats are mostly in line with Core and APG, a few are somewhat underpowered and a single one (Antagonize) clearly needs better number crunching. A feat called "Die For Your Master" made me chuckle.

CHAPTER 4: Words of Power

This chapter describes the new, alternate magic system based around customized spells made up of power words. I'd love to elaborate on this, but since the concept itself doesn't really interest me, I didn't give this chapter a honest read. You might find it useful if you like experimenting, tho.

CHAPTER 5: Spells

Another obvious addition: new spells. Scores of them, of course. There are several really fun, innovative and clever spells here and I found this chapter a refreshing read. A spell called mad monkeys wins the day for me, nothing beats summoning a swarm of crazed gibbons against your foes.

CONCLUSION

This is a solid splatbook. Much broader than WotC "Complete" splats, with several thematic ideas that draw upon mythology, history and pop culture to liven up your PF game. Yet, three things contribute to knocking off one star:

- the aforementioned lack of love for non-caster classes. I realize the book is called Ultimate Magic, but the caster-martial divide in D&D is well known and one could hope for something to help bridge it.

- quality control is worse than in Core and APG. I don't mind typos, but a couple of things are either badly written (Antagonize), poorly thought out (Monk vows) or victims of editing/development errors (Spellbooks). It's not bad enough to cause discomfort, but it is visible enough to request more tight supervision of future books.

- purely optional content. I'm not a fan of stuff which I will, objectively, never get to use. An entire chapter of UM - Words of Power - is pretty much lost on me and I would much prefer for it to sit in an "Unearthed Arcana" type of book. The spell design chapter is also slightly guilty of this.

I recommend this book, you'll have lots of fun from it and it will enrich your experience no matter if you are a player or GM. But I also recommend Paizo to step up and maintain their quality standards found in other books.


A Mixed Bag

3/5

There's a lot to say about this book, some of it good, some of it bad. For the most part, I can say that it is a fun book with a lot of interesting archetypes and character ideas, along with a few good feats, cool spells, and thoughtful mechanics. Of course, the exact same points could be made against the book: useless archetypes, pointless feats, silly spells, and bad mechanics.

Ultimate Magic suffers the same problem a lot of supplemental material in 3.5 did, in which the book does not feel as tight design-wise as it otherwise could be, given the incredibly limited application of some of it's contents. Consider the Witch hex "child scent," for example: When are you ever going to need to sniff out children? This feels like a villain-only ability, and even then you could probably give your villain witch a more useful hex. The same goes for the construct modifications. They're neat, but they're not worth it to most spell casters, better used for a dramatic villain fight than an actual player. Or maybe "cartoony" would be a more appropriate description- there's something strikingly reminiscent of Power Rangers that involves the bad guy combining with his robot helper. Also: The geisha Bard archetype. What the heck, man. Tea ceremony, really? It's neat and flavorful, but it breaks flow and forces me as both a player and a GM into that uncanny valley of "yes, I suppose you guys do technically have 10 minutes outside the boss room." I mean, it's not like the dragon's going to eat the princess any time soon, or anything...

Of course, for all the bad ideas there are good ones too. The magus looks like a fun class, albeit he loses out on damage output against classes such as the barbarian or the rogue, but he makes up for it with the versatility of spellcasting (and I absolutely adore the staff magus archetype). I also really like the customization of the Qinggong monk, and think the alternative channeling powers are amazing. However, these traits alone to not make the book great, only good.

Also, this is a nit-pick, but Paizo didn't fix the typo in the vivisectionist archetype for the alchemist. This typo was pointed out when they previewed the archetype, the editors responded to the post, and the mistake still made it into the final printing. Vivisectionists can't benefit from plague bomb because they don't *get* bombs. You think that a company as good as Paizo wouldn't let a mistake like that slip past them after it was brought to their attention.

In conclusion, Ultimate Magic is one of those books which is handy to have around for the additional options, but is by no means a "must buy."


Advanced Users Only.

4/5

The writers, developers, and designers of Paizo Publishing seem to have done the impossible: de-throne D&D. Yet earning the crown is not enough, one must defend it against the horde of nay-sayers. The best way to do that is with a steady stream of meaningful content. Regardless of anything else, there’s no denying that Pathfinder’s Advanced Player’s Guide follow-up, Ultimate Magic, is exactly that: meaningful.

In interest of disclosure, I did not receive a review copy of this product and this review is strictly about content via the PDF edition. I imagine, however, that the production quality of the hardback edition is on par with excellent standard set forth by other Pathfinder products.

Chapter 1: Spellcasters
The opening chapter of Ultimate Magic jumps immediately into the nittiest of gritties with new classes, archetypes, and abilities for each of the spellcasters in Pathfinder. It starts off with the newest full-on 20-level base class; The Magus.
The Magus is quite simply…a sword mage. All the swashbuckling style of a non-heavy fighter with the spellcasting and flexibility of a wizard rolled up into one fun package. For those who tend to favor melee classes the Magus is a great way to break into a magical class. Magi fill nicely into the hybrid class category, though not really enough to fill a vacant spot in the core of any party (the Tank, Healer, Caster dynamic.) The Magus can know any number of spells, though his selection is limited compared to Wizard/Sorcerers, and most of the spells favor combat over utility. It’s also worth noting that the Magus can only cast up to 6th level spells, though he has a fairly high number to cast per day.
As a fighter, the Magus holds his own, though clearly without the additional feats of the Fighter, range of the Barbarian, or subtlety of the Rogue. The real customization of the Magus comes from the Magus Arcana class feature, which works like the Rogue Talent feature, where upon the Magus learns new tricks and special abilities as he levels.
What the Magus DOES excel at, however, is fun. The idea of leaping into melee with the monster, stabbing it in the stomach with your flaming burst sword, and then casting Magic Missile in its face is truly one with endless potential
This reviewer was surprised to see alternatives and archetypes for the Magus, the APG was completely devoid of alternatives for the newly introduced classes, however Paizo seems to be ready for the Magus to enter the fray and reach its full potential with the release of Ultimate Magic.
The rest of the first chapter deals with alternative and extra solutions for the existing case classes. Every single class that can do anything remotely resembling a spell is represented here including, oddly enough, the Monk.
Most is what you would expect, more variations on Class Feature X, and lots of archetypes and abilities that grew out of a conversation that started with the line “Wouldn’t it be cool if….” For the most part these alternative class features aren’t game breakers and are aimed at those who really like to explore their class to the fullest. To make a point close to my heart, I am big fan of the Summoner class and while the new eidolon evolutions were disappointing, the variant archetypes were truly mind bending and opened up a world of possibilities I am excited to delve into.
If you are a fan of stretching your class to the limit, the first chapter alone is worth the price of admission.

Chapter 2: Mastering Magic
Chapter two of Ultimate Magic delves into more fringe areas of magic use that go beyond the strict “I cast a spell on the goblin” everyday use. This chapter addresses dueling, magical constructs, the care and feeding of outsiders, the downside of magic, and the designing of new spells. Also in this chapter the reader is presented with a plethora of pre-made spellbooks and over a dozen brand new familiars (including one epic hedgehog).
The concept of Spellblight is introduced into the world of Golarion with Ultimate Magic. Spellblight is a (usually) negative effect or susceptibility a magic user suffers, usually in the form of a curse or some other nastiness. Adventurous role-players will be excited for the challenge provided by spellblight, and overzealous GMs will enjoy the brand new shiny way to smite their PCs.
The major draw of this chapter for the truly creative types is the section about Designing Spells. This is not to be confused with the Words of Power mechanic we’ll explore later, but this is a sincere, behind-the-curtain look at the process that the Paizo developers use when creating a new spell for play. This section should be carefully explored by both the player and the GM and all the options weighed out before allowing a new spell to be used in a game session. If you do create a new spell, however, be sure to post it on the Paizo boards for all to enjoy.
This chapter is really for the GM and creative type players who want to test the boundaries of magic in Pathfinder.

Chapter 3: Feats
This chapter brings you the shining beacons of customization known as feats. There are no new feat types, simply a large array of increasingly circumstantial feats. While there are some that are immediately useful (Additional evolution points, extra cantrips known) and some that are so situational that they almost seem silly (glowing summons or performing in a band.) However, any caster is sure to find at least one feat they will find immediately beneficial.

Chapter 4: Words of Power
Words of Power is a new mechanic to spellcasting the Pathfinder. The object is simple: instead of learning defined spells, the character learns a whole vocabulary of magic words which can be strung together in near-infinite ways to produce near-infinite effects. Fans of White Wolf’s MAGE will get a kick out of this alternate magic system. While not for the uninitiated or the uncreative, the Words of Power mechanic opens up a whole playground for wrapping your head around the idea of magic. It’s too complicated to explain here, but in the hands of an open-minded player all manner of impressive magical goings-on will be going on.

Chapter 5: Spells
The closing chapter of Ultimate Magic features a ton of new spells for all casters. Much like the Feats chapter, the number of spells in this chapter managed to find that sweet spot where one doesn’t feel overwhelmed, but certainly doesn’t feel ripped off either. Paizo continues to use the same tried-and-true formatting of “spell blocks” which leave very little room for alternate interpretations which means less time debating and more time playing. All of these are good things.
On a side note, this is the first book to REALLY get it right when it comes to PDF bookmarking. All of the spells are listed and grouped by alphabet. Twenty-four bookmarks spread across your spells instead of one for the entire spell description section (Core Rulebook) or a different bookmark for each individual spell (APG)

Conclusion
Ultimate Magic achieves its goals with a truly stylistic approach. These rules are clearly not for everyone. The variations in Ultimate Magic require a higher level of understanding of the Pathfinder rules and are best used by an experienced player. For those who still don’t quite grasp all the facets of their base class, it’s best to leave Ultimate Magic on the shelf for a while. However, if you are a player (or the GM of a player) who loves exploring possibilities and stretching the limits of your imagination, especially when it comes to magic, then you will easily find enough to keep your wheels a-turning for many many play sessions.

(Read more at Geekcentricity.com)


Good but not Great

4/5

First off this is my first review of any Paizo pathfinder or any RPG product.

It gets 4 because there are tons of options for all the classes that use magic. Tho I would love to see how the rules would be changed for those using the more primal dragons for Dragon disicple would work.

Alchemist to me should have gotten actual magic Item crafting archtype ie artificeresqe not a rogue with potions to buff himself.

One of my quips is not alot of fire spells for arcane users as I love fire and my gnome alch is pryomanic and had cold eversion so ice spells wouldnt work for him.

Clerics I loved to seen a Priest Archtype sort of like in the Tome of Secerts.

Also like to seen some newer magical items and armor as this is book titled Ultimate magic other then the spell books.


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It's always the waiting that gets me.


Dark_Mistress, even though I don't have any questions for you (I'd rather have "discovery fun" with my own copy when I finally get it), I just have to send out a thanks to you for spending so much of your personal time answering everyone's questions!

You really are something else! ...just downright awesome!

Round of applause for Dark_Mistress!

Dark Archive

Chris Gunter wrote:

Dark_Mistress, even though I don't have any questions for you (I'd rather have "discovery fun" with my own copy when I finally get it), I just have to send out a thanks to you for spending so much of your personal time answering everyone's questions!

You really are something else! ...just downright awesome!

Round of applause for Dark_Mistress!

Awww so sweet, I may not skin you alive in the future now. Instead you can be my pet or foot stole... either or much the same.


AlanM wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Ashanderai wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Ashanderai wrote:
Can the qinggong monk archetype be combined with any of the APG archetypes?

1) Not sure, short of looking at all the other archetypes I wouldn't know.

I guess a better question would be, "What abilities does he lose from the base monk class to take on the qinggong archetype?"

Thanks for taking time to answer, Dark Mistress.

slow fall

high jump
wholeness of body
diamond body
abundant step
diamond soul
quivering palm
timeless body
tongue of the sun and moon
empty body
perfect self
So, it doesn't look it can work with the other archetypes. Oh well.

From what I'm reading... it looks like it'll be totally compatible with other archetypes.

The reason is that you get to pick and choose IF and WHAT ki powers you are substituting.

So if you are using an archetype that already subs diamond soul for something else, for example... then you should be ok just as long as you don't choose some other ki power instead.

Honestly, I wish they made all archetypes like this... where you could pick and choose which class features you wanted to swap, instead of it often being all or nothing.

Still, it's easy enough to house rule... though it's not PFS legal. *shrug*


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Chris Gunter wrote:

Dark_Mistress, even though I don't have any questions for you (I'd rather have "discovery fun" with my own copy when I finally get it), I just have to send out a thanks to you for spending so much of your personal time answering everyone's questions!

You really are something else! ...just downright awesome!

Round of applause for Dark_Mistress!

Awww so sweet, I may not skin you alive in the future now. Instead you can be my pet or foot stole... either or much the same.

I second what Chris Gunter said. Thanks for all the tempting bits you've revealed to us, Dark_Mistress! Er, from the book, I mean.


What is the one sorcerer only feat called?

The monk archtype can switch whatever he wants, wow I wish they had options like that for other archtypes and Sorcerer bloodlines.

Are there any feats/options that give you more options/uses for Cleric/Sorcerer/wizard 3+int/wis/cha/day abilities?


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Awww so sweet, I may not skin you alive in the future now. Instead you can be my pet or foot stole... either or much the same.

I'm having my back beaten so that you shall have a softer surface to place your eloquent feet, my Dark_Mistress.

And what the heck, I DO have a question. You said that there are two sorcerer archetypes that both allow for "combo-bloodlines". What are the two archetypes actually called? (I'm sure this info was released about a month ago... but I just don't feel like looking for it.)


They are crossblooded and wild blooded archtypes for the Sorcerer.

Dark Archive

Dragon78 wrote:

What is the one sorcerer only feat called?

The monk archtype can switch whatever he wants, wow I wish they had options like that for other archtypes and Sorcerer bloodlines.

Are there any feats/options that give you more options/uses for Cleric/Sorcerer/wizard 3+int/wis/cha/day abilities?

Sorcerous Bloodstrike - if you reduce a target to zero or fewer hp you can regain a bloodline power. Thats the only one that fits what your second question was really, that I seen. But I only skimmed the list.

There is some feats for channeling, one for extra cantrips. I quick glance doesn't show one for the other abilities.

Dark Archive

Chris Gunter wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Awww so sweet, I may not skin you alive in the future now. Instead you can be my pet or foot stole... either or much the same.

I'm having my back beaten so that you shall have a softer surface to place your eloquent feet, my Dark_Mistress.

And what the heck, I DO have a question. You said that there are two sorcerer archetypes that both allow for "combo-bloodlines". What are the two archetypes actually called? (I'm sure this info was released about a month ago... but I just don't feel like looking for it.)

Dragon answer that, for the rest. If someone is going to beat my pet it would be me... or at least while I watch. :)

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Oh my... the new cook people hex is funny, disgusting and disturbing all at the same time. The funny part is one of the things you can do with it, is make the "dough" into a little gingerbread like homunculus.

I eagerly await the morality debates that'll arise from this one. :D


Dragon78 wrote:
They are crossblooded and wild blooded archtypes for the Sorcerer.

Thank-ye, thank-ye.


Well are there any spells that caught your interest?

Any spells that...
1)are there any good low level attack spells for clerics/oracles?
2)are there any good cold based low level wizard/sorcerer spells?
3)any more "Force" based spellls?
4)any more elemtal(air,earth water)spells?
5)any good witch only spells?
6)any low level teleporting spells?
7)any spells that can polymorph you into Fey, monstrous humaniod,etc.?
8)any new spells that summon monsters?
9)any necromancy spells that use positive energy?
10)any more elemental spells that oracles can use?

Dark Archive

Dragon78 wrote:

Well are there any spells that caught your interest?

Any spells that...
1)are there any good low level attack spells for clerics/oracles?
2)are there any good cold based low level wizard/sorcerer spells?
3)any more "Force" based spellls?
4)any more elemtal(air,earth water)spells?
5)any good witch only spells?
6)any low level teleporting spells?
7)any spells that can polymorph you into Fey, monstrous humaniod,etc.?
8)any new spells that summon monsters?
9)any necromancy spells that use positive energy?
10)any more elemental spells that oracles can use?

Well I have skimmed the spells only so far. But yes a few looked cool.

1) Yes a couple
2) A couple
3) Honestly not sure
4) I would say yes since they added more elemental schools.
5) Don't know.
6) Depends on what you consider teleport and low level. There is a shadow step spell. It is what it sounded like or those who know Vampire the Masquerade lasombra would guess.
7) Not sure about fey but monstrous yes.
8) yes
9) again not sure.
10) A couple and one oracle only spell that I seen.

Scarab Sages

Is there a summoner archetype that doesn't have an eidolon?

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Drillboss D wrote:
Is there a summoner archetype that doesn't have an eidolon?

Along these lines, is there a summoner that essentially is his eidolon? :)

Plus, anything that can help a "turns badguys into animals and plants"-themed caster out?

Silver Crusade

Dude, not even as a joke.


dude just wait for the pdf on the 18th or buy your own copy now, soon as my comic shop has it thats where i'm goin! -cannot wait-

Did they actually put in quicken channel energy or were people just joking?

Anything for paladins?

Dark Archive

Drillboss D wrote:
Is there a summoner archetype that doesn't have an eidolon?

Yes to you and to mikaze.

Dark Archive

Elias Darrowphayne wrote:

dude just wait for the pdf on the 18th or buy your own copy now, soon as my comic shop has it thats where i'm goin! -cannot wait-

Did they actually put in quicken channel energy or were people just joking?

Anything for paladins?

Yes paladins get a archetype and oaths.

And yes they have a quick channel.

Silver Crusade

Dark_Mistress wrote:
Drillboss D wrote:
Is there a summoner archetype that doesn't have an eidolon?
Yes to you and to mikaze.

See avatar for my face at this moment.

Thanks!


What about artwork? Any pieces that stand out? And thanks for taking the time to answer this barrage of questions. :)


I've been looking through my PDF and I'm very happy with it. Looking forward to flipping through the hardback and trying to figure out more shelf space.


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Now I want my PDF! Do I need to get the Nerdrage Ooze in here? :p


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I was expecting some "Muuraaaagh!" and "splooortch!", though. :p


magnuskn wrote:
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I was expecting some "Muuraaaagh!" and "splooortch!", though. :p

"Splooortch" is a trademark of Vomit Guy, professional courtesy keeps us from stepping on each other's toes/pseudopods.


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Nerdrage Ooze wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Nerdrage Ooze wrote:
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:D

I was expecting some "Muuraaaagh!" and "splooortch!", though. :p

"Splooortch" is a trademark of Vomit Guy, professional courtesy keeps us from stepping on each other's toes/pseudopods.

Sorry, I meant "shlooop!" and "nyooorgh!", of course. ;)


Not to stir up trouble, but I have no idea whether a new subscription now gets you into the processing of the initial subscriber batch, or whether you will only be handled afterward.


Oh Great and Powerful Dark Mistress, what kind of cheesy goodness can wizards expect out of this in terms of feats and abilities directly linked to the class (from what I understand, they can trade the bonus feats for specific powers); is there an option to replace the familiar/arcane bound item for something else? Are there any feats that improve summoning spells further?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Dark Archive

Looking forward for the Words of Power magic system. I recently re-read the Iron Heroes mana/spell methods system, and the modularity of it made me salivate. :D
So, really stoked for the Paizo take on this approach.


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LoreKeeper wrote:
Not to stir up trouble, but I have no idea whether a new subscription now gets you into the processing of the initial subscriber batch, or whether you will only be handled afterward.

Alas, do you want to induce needless fretting or concerned trolling?

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Estrosiath wrote:

Oh Great and Powerful Dark Mistress, what kind of cheesy goodness can wizards expect out of this in terms of feats and abilities directly linked to the class (from what I understand, they can trade the bonus feats for specific powers); is there an option to replace the familiar/arcane bound item for something else? Are there any feats that improve summoning spells further?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Arcane Discoveries which was mentioned in a blog already. 2 new elemental schools, and one new archetype for wizards. Plus a bucket load of spells of course.


Any tidbits concerning the Bladebound archetype of the magus class?

Oh, I simply cannot wait until the 18th gets here. Come on days, move along already!

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F. Castor wrote:

Any tidbits concerning the Bladebound archetype of the magus class?

Oh, I simply cannot wait until the 18th gets here. Come on days, move along already!

Looks like they give up familiar and they are bond to a single blade. Among the other powers the blade they are bound to gets more powerful. Plus unlike a familiar it is less master/servant relationship and more of a partnership between the Magus and the black blade.

Dark Archive

Well it is 8am so going to bed. So no more questions till I wake up.


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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Well it is 8am so going to bed. So no more questions till I wake up.

Well good morning to you, and may you have a fitfull day of rest!


I want to start out by thanking everyone who has posted answers to questions thus far (especially Dark Mistress).

I'm looking forward to downloading my copy of the PDF on May 18th but I am playing in a game this Saturday where I am playing a 4th level Red Dragon Bloodline Sorcerer using the Words of Power system from the playtest.

1) I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there have been any major changes to the system since the playtest?
2) Overall do the words cover the same broad spectrum of normal spell casting?
3) Any equivalent spells to vanish or shield?
4) Any meta words to extend duration of spells?
5) Any changes to the word burning feat?
6) How did they resolve the conflict in rules from the playtest as to how the duration of multiple effects are tracked?
7) Did they make it so Detect Magic can now be used as a 0-level instead of 1st level spell?

Thanks for any answers anyone feels like giving...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

F5,F5,F5,F5...

Grand Lodge

Thanks DM - you helped Paizo make a definete sale on the 18th... the stuff you've suggested is too fun NOT to get,


I'm boyocotting this book as there is nothing I want in it....

that and I cant afford it

Dark Archive

Pain in the Backside wrote:

I'm boyocotting this book as there is nothing I want in it....

that and I cant afford it

Have you made any request or sugestions on the boards?

I've seen many come to light from other people.
On todays blog we'll see feats.

... Oh please let there be a 4thED like multiclassing feat ( gain class feature of another class for one level at the cost of a feat)


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Pain in the Backside wrote:

I'm boyocotting this book as there is nothing I want in it....

that and I cant afford it

Not even the $9.99 PDF coming out on the 18th? Man, that sucks. I hope things get better for you.

Liberty's Edge

Also, it'll all be in the PFSRD soon enough. You can't boycott "free".

Although, don't get me wrong, I couldn't live without a book/pdf of this thing.


Not hearing anything "Druid-y" in here... no love for the tree-huggers?

Shadow Lodge

Dark_Mistress wrote:
Looks like they give up familiar and they are bond to a single blade. Among the other powers the blade they are bound to gets more powerful. Plus unlike a familiar it is less master/servant relationship and more of a partnership between the Magus and the black blade.

Huh, does this mean that the base magus starts with a familiar?


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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Looks like they give up familiar and they are bond to a single blade. Among the other powers the blade they are bound to gets more powerful. Plus unlike a familiar it is less master/servant relationship and more of a partnership between the Magus and the black blade.
Huh, does this mean that the base magus starts with a familiar?

Not really a magus seems to be able to gain a familiar as one of his arcana choices.

Black blade gives up his 3rd lvl arcana choice and can never have a familiar even if he takes levels in a class that normally grants one.


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atheral wrote:
Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Looks like they give up familiar and they are bond to a single blade. Among the other powers the blade they are bound to gets more powerful. Plus unlike a familiar it is less master/servant relationship and more of a partnership between the Magus and the black blade.
Huh, does this mean that the base magus starts with a familiar?

Not really a magus seems to be able to gain a familiar as one of his arcana choices.

Black blade gives up his 3rd lvl arcana choice and can never have a familiar even if he takes levels in a class that normally grants one.

Ooooohh...

So, how does the magus look compared to the last playtest version we saw? Any big differences that jump out at you?


Nephelim wrote:
Not hearing anything "Druid-y" in here... no love for the tree-huggers?

Druids get new Animal and Terrain domains (These are "domains for druids whose focus is more specific than the Animal, Plant, Weather, or elemental domains."):

Aquatic Domain
Arctic Domain
Cave Domain
Desert Domain
Eagle Domain
Frog Domain
Jungle Domain
Monkey Domain
Mountain Domain
Plains Domain
Serpent Domain
Swamp Domain
Wolf Domain

Druids get Vermin Companion options:
Giant Ant
Giant Beetle
Giant Centipede
Giant Crab
Giant Leech
Giant Mantis
Giant Scorpion
Giant Slug
Giant Spider
Giant Wasp

Druids get new Arch-types:
Dragon Shaman
Menhir Servant
Mooncaller
Pack Lord
Reincarnated Druid
Saurian Shaman
Shark Shaman
Storm Druid

There are also new feats and spells that can be beneficial for a druid.
I'm not going to look through the whole feat list to see how many pertain to druids but I did notice there are at least a few feats that enhance the creatures summoned with Summon Nature's Ally, and I saw some for Wild Shape.

New Druid Spells:

1st-Level Druid Spells
Decompose Corpse
Diagnose Disease
Frostbite
Ray of Sickening
Remove Sickness
Restore Corpse
Summon Minor Ally

2nd-Level Druid Spells
Frigid Touch
Masterwork Transformation
Pernicious Poison
Tar Ball
Unshakable Chill
Wartrain Mount
Web Shelter

3rd-Level Druid Spells
Anthropomorphic Animal
Ash Storm
Badger’s Ferocity
Burrow
Burst of Nettles
Fungal Infestation
Mad Monkeys
Rain of Frogs
Spit Venom
Vermin Shape I

4th-Level Druid Spells
Age Resistance, Lesser
Arboreal Hammer
Atavism
Cape of Wasps
Echolocation
Plague Carrier
Ride the Waves
Touch of Slime
Vermin Shape II
Volcanic Storm

5th-Level Druid Spells
Contagion, Greater
Fickle Winds
Raise Animal Companion
Reprobation

6th-Level Druid Spells
Age Resistance
Eagle Aerie
Epidemic
Plague Storm

7th-Level Druid Spells
Age Resistance, Greater
Scouring Winds

8th-Level Druid Spells
Atavism, Mass
Blood Mist

9th-Level Druid Spells
Polar Midnight
Summon Elder Worm
Summon Froghemoth

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Hmm is there an 'inspire shipping' bardic music option?

I'm at home waiting for my window replacement to arrive

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