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Probably my greatest personal disappointment with PF2 has been the lack, so far, of additional class path or subclass options. There’s been a few released after the initial class was released, but only a few.
But assuming the floodgates once again unclock, what would people like to see?
Two of mine (partly inspired by discussion in another thread):
1. Firearm/gunsmith path for Alchemist. Alchemists are largely responsible for firearms in Golarian, but re absolutely terrible at using them. I’d like to see something done to…reconcile that shall we say?
2. Explosions/Firearms for the Inventor. Related, I wanted to see more specific interaction between the Guns and Gears portions of G&G, and an entire explosives innovation for the Inventor might fit in nicely. I’m imagining some boffin absolutely incensed that, good, reliable siege weaponry is run by something as woo as alchemy, and working hard to apply science to the tech.
Other stuff: a helmet Innovation, an animated dream Eidolon, Death druids, Divine Operative methodology.
What are some of yours?
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Some sort of supernatural Methodology for Investigators, for characters less interested in crime and more drawn to occult strangeness. I've heard of a friend of a friend who has a homebrew Methodology that simply grants the Eldritch Researcher archetype for free and that's 90% of the way there for what I want.
Aberration Eidolon is definitely something I want, though I'm not personally interested in Summoner until we get Synthesists back.
Nanite Bloodline is an obscure 1e favorite I want back for Sorcerers someday.
I feel like I need about a dozen more Oracle options, whatever they may be - I want to like the class, but don't click with any of the current Mysteries. The Time Mystery coming in Dark Archive has me deeply curious.
There's a hole in my heart in the shape of a Lawful Neutral path for Champion.
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My top 3 are:
A Fungus/Decay oriented Druid order.
A Barbarian Instinct that replicates the Aberrant Bloodrager, we can already get big and turn into dragons, so why not "weird anatomy and stretchy arms."
Calamity/Apocalypse Oracle Mystery, with the corresponding thematic curse.
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My top 3 are:
A Fungus/Decay oriented Druid order.
A Barbarian Instinct that replicates the Aberrant Bloodrager, we can already get big and turn into dragons, so why not "weird anatomy and stretchy arms."
Calamity/Apocalypse Oracle Mystery, with the corresponding thematic curse.
These all kick ass.
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My top 3 are:
A Fungus/Decay oriented Druid order.
A Barbarian Instinct that replicates the Aberrant Bloodrager, we can already get big and turn into dragons, so why not "weird anatomy and stretchy arms."
Calamity/Apocalypse Oracle Mystery, with the corresponding thematic curse.
If anything and everything could have a fungus/decay subclass, I would be so happy.
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I'll take as many Psychic subclasses as they want to give me.
Neutral champions first and foremost. Their absence makes absolutely zero sense. Doubly so for Champions of Neutral deities.
Got a pitch for True Neutral and CN?
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There are several out there on the boards already.
My take on code in a few words : your deity above everything (except maybe the non-Neutral part of your alignment).
My homebrew on powers : you choose the reaction that fits your alignment component on the Chaotic-Lawful axis and that is of an alignment allowed by your deity. And for deities that do not allow Good nor Evil alignments, you choose freely among the fitting reactions.
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Movement economy shenanigans could be fun too. A free stride towards your prey when you hunt prey.
Swift Tracker so clearly there's thematic room to build around stuff like that, yeah.
I'll second the guns alchemist. More research fields are good. A new hunters edge based around maneuvers and movement possibly.
I tried to resist the urge to self-promote, but I wrote one on the homebrew forum that could use feedback. (Ignore the bullet on the post itself, I went a different direction entirely).
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Sling support for gunslingers. Honestly you can almost just do this by saying "if it works for a crossbow it works for a sling too".
Gun/crossbow/sling support for magi. A different action rotation than the Starlit Span; nothing so obvious as reloading weapon and spellstrike at the same time, something more clever.
A thesis that makes wizards competitive in the skill feat arena, along with intelligence based skill feats with desirability on the same level as Bon Mot/Continual Recovery. Wizards should be able to play the class fantasy of powerfully smart guy. (And this also gives the investigator something to do with their surplus of mental skill feats.)
A champion path that doesn't make you feel bad for not going heavy armor. Plenty of nominally ranged-oriented deities but the champions feel awkward.
A lot more witch lessons, and some more patrons.
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Neutral champions first and foremost. Their absence makes absolutely zero sense. Doubly so for Champions of Neutral deities.Got a pitch for True Neutral and CN?
TN: "Everything in moderation!" *charges*
CN: "Edicts & anathema? I feel they're more like guidelines, but you do you. If that's what you want. Oh, and (*rolls randomly*) FREEDOM!"
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A few that immediately come to mind to me:
Aberration Summoner
Something like PF1's Psychic Detective Investigator.
A 'know it all' swashbuckler that gets panache off RK could be kind of neat.
TWF Magus. It feels conspicuously absent.
Something that feels a little like pistolero but two-hander compatible. Gunslinger feels weird if I use a two-handed firearm but aren't interested in athletics or stealth.
And just for mechanical/symmetry reasons without a lot of good ideas I want to see a second option for Arcane Witches and any kind of Occult Barbarian.
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A 4e invoker path for the Cleric. Lose the Divine font and gain some Divine Wrath powers / focus spells.
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Any sort of elemental stuff, I'm in. I love elemental sorcerer, but elementalist didn't really do it for me, nor does the monk styles or druid paths (storm is good but the rest are a little boring, to me). Elemental barbarian, summoner, anything.
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Something i really feel the need for are unalligned champion causes, something like knightly orders of old
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I also thought the cavalier orders from PF1 could be updated to allow champions of no particular alignment. I always thought they were cool and flavorful.
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Kind of like Peafowl Stance?I'd like to see Monk styles based around weapons.
Frex, a longsword style. You go into the stance and can only make longsword attacks, get some cool benefits/bonuses, and later feats give you special longsword attacks.
Monks are one of two classes in PF2 that don't have class paths (along with fighters) so the only way we're going to get a "completely different kind of monk" is through a class archetype. Normally they just give monk options via "print some new monk feats" a thing which seems to happen more often than for other classes.
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Not exactly a subclass, but I would kill for a bounded, martial Bard as a class archetype.
Besides that, something similar to the good old Bloodrager as a Barbarian Instinct would be awesome.
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Not exactly a subclass, but: I want Stances on more classes and archetypes. They're really fun for how dead simple they are at the table.
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I would love to see an Animal Companion based barbarian! Currently its very hard to swing due to rage and the concentrate trait of command an animal.
Inventor has proven that a rage-like ability along with an animal companion can certainly work.
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Oh, can we /please/ get the body horror Alchemist back.
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I'd like to see more options for Cleric, but I don't think more doctrines are possible. Unfortunately, we're probably stuck with archetypes. I know choosing a different God is supposed to be like a subclass/path but it doesn't play out that way in practice.
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- Occult class path for investigator. I think it's the biggest category of investigator not currently represented with a methodology.
- Swarm summoner or druid. Originally, I'd want this to be druid, but it really seems like it would fit an eidolon a lot better. (I would also list a fungal druid, but I'd prefer that as a class archetype to actually modify an animal companion to be a host.)
- Aberration eidolon. C'mon, it's the big occult thing everybody wants for summoner.
- Bloodrager. I really want a way to get the Glutton's Jaw focus spell integrated seamlessly with the barbarian class.
- Rakshasa bloodline. It's my favorite creature type, so I just want to see options for it again.
- Body horror alchemist. Gimme permanent body modification! Tumor familiars, extra arms, fast healing reactions to shrug off damage, that kind of thing.
Inquisitor doctrine for cleric that focuses an perception, tracking, and intimidation. (trade, say, the medium armor of a war priest for some skill and perception boosts)
Evangelist doctrine for cleric that focuses on persuasion, bluff, and performance (trade, say, the free domain spell of a cloistered cleric for some skill boosts)
Unarmed/Unarmored combat doctrine for cleric.
Demonic instinct for barbarians that lets them grow horns, claws and other demonic features.
Aberrant instinct for barbarians.
A paranormal investigator.
Storm, protean, aquatic bloodlines for sorcerer.
Wizard arcane thesis that allows them to add primal or occult (choose one) spells to their spell book as arcane spells. Note that divine is opposite of arcane, so it is not part of this thesis.
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Kind of like Peafowl Stance?I'd like to see Monk styles based around weapons.
Frex, a longsword style. You go into the stance and can only make longsword attacks, get some cool benefits/bonuses, and later feats give you special longsword attacks.
Yeah, but expanded to weapons that don't normally have the Monk trait, or don't qualify for ancestral weaponry.
Like, a spear monk style would be cool.
A katana monk style would be cool, maybe something like iajutsu/building off quick draw.
