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In the spirit of proper Paladin threads:
Paizo, I vehemently disagree that you should post the Paladin blog. It is an affront to all I hold dear about the game, I don't want to know what the Paladin does. Ever. If I get the playtest documents and the Paladin entry isn't completely blacked out aside the name, I will riot in the streets.
Since the beginning of the announcement of the new Edition and Playtest, we have been in the dark about what Paladins do or are restricted by, and I want this tradition to endure.
Say "NO!" to Paladin information everyone!
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I don't know, I kind of enjoy watching people grasp at straws. It makes me hungry.
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At this point I kind of hope the paladin blog comes out RIGHT before the playtest: reason? I want to see if HWalsh will explode...
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Well and as the most contentious aspect of this new edition so far, the longer they drag it out, the more entrenched people will get (are getting) and the more acrimiony will exist, making it more likely they actually lose people over whatever does/doesn't get changed.
Edit: after all we're already at accusing people of having control issues over setting flavor, and severing limbs rather than playing with certain forumites.
Heh gotta see which of us will have to house rule the class or just outright ban it completely.
Cause one way or the other, guessing the class will remain the one that gets changed from the core book.
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Well and as the most contentious aspect of this new edition so far, the longer they drag it out, the more entrenched people will get (are getting) and the more acrimiony will exist, making it more likely they actually lose people over whatever does/doesn't get changed.
Edit: after all we're already at accusing people of having control issues over setting flavor, and severing limbs rather than playing with certain forumites.
I honestly don't think it'll get worse than it is. For instance, do you REALLY think HWalsh can get MORE entrenched? Myself, I'm unlikely to change my mind. I don't think the 'monkey knife fight' we have now will change much: everyone has gotten comfortable in their own hill and aren't going to budge.
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You've made too many comments that "may or may not" pertain to Paladin.
1. A comment about armor focus being "another class" many assuming Paladin.
2. Comments that Paladins need to be careful with alignment but no comment on if that means LG only or not.
3. Anathema has created a whole new deluge of Paladin threads.
4. A Paladin was IN one of the playtests and yet we know very little.
5. It is the most popular discussed class.
6. For a number of people (me included) it is going to be the decider for if we stick with PF2 or not. We are waiting to decide.
Thus it is time. No more stalling. It has become silly. So bite the bullet and give us the blog so those who are going to stay can stay and those who are going to go can go. Please stop leading us around by being vauge and evasive.
#5 is actually a really good reason to hold off on the Paladin blog. As it is one of the hottest topics and causes some of the most (in my opinion) toxic discussions on these forums. Several paladin threads have already been locked or devolved into name-calling on both sides. Revealing Paladins while several of these threads are bouncing around still will only exacerbate the problem. It might be better to reveal them after several blogs that do not relate to paladin so that there is time for the forums to cool down.
Also, revealing too much information about divine classes might result in people who are anxiously waiting for wizard and bard info feeling concerned about a bias toward divine classes and mechanics.
I honestly don't think it'll get worse than it is. For instance, do you REALLY think HWalsh can get MORE entrenched? Myself, I'm unlikely to change my mind. I don't think the 'monkey knife fight' we have now will change much: everyone has gotten comfortable in their own hill and aren't going to budge.Well and as the most contentious aspect of this new edition so far, the longer they drag it out, the more entrenched people will get (are getting) and the more acrimiony will exist, making it more likely they actually lose people over whatever does/doesn't get changed.
Edit: after all we're already at accusing people of having control issues over setting flavor, and severing limbs rather than playing with certain forumites.
I mean it may just culminate in a bunch of bannings but that serves the same sort of worst case scenario most of the time.
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At this point I kind of hope the paladin blog comes out RIGHT before the playtest: reason? I want to see if HWalsh will explode...I'm just sick of circular threads with half-cooked justifications based off of assumptions due to one half-piece of information in one blog post.
This is why I barely follow the playtest forum: there's little signal, but a lot of noise. That what's noise to us is likely signal to the devs makes me feel manipulated.
Not as bad as when some of you decide to bully me for having the gall of not being a cheerleader, I suspect.
What I would like is for the devs to step down into the mud with us peasants and be willing to answer questions, like I've seen Mark Seifter and Wayne Reynolds do. Big props to them for that. (:
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Maybe they are still considering details - or even debating about the general concept of the class. In this case it's better they delay information instead of publicly changing their minds multiple times.
Ok, to be fair, paladins (and their race equivalent, aasimars) always cause me nausea when I notice them, so it's easy for me to wait, see and accept. However, paladins are quite popular according to the latest big survey, meaning there is a lot at stake when it comes to designing the PF2 class.
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I like how you assume they're trying to hide things rather than prioritizing. In terms of class blogs we've had, in order, two of the most denigrated classes in PF1's core (rogue and fighter) which were also the simplest and most classic; the new baby to Core in alchemist; and a dedicated casting class that underwent incredibly significant changes in the wake of the spells blog, which was easily more highly demanded than paladins have been. The classes so far have been logical choices. Paladin, I imagine, will be coming relatively soon. I wouldn't be surprised to either see it as the next blog, or the blog right after (pending whether they want to post the also highly demanded wizard blog). But if not, it wouldn't be out of concealing something, it'd probably be just because they want to share other things first.
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Yeah, Paizo! Just drop the thermonuclear bomb and see who survives it! Delaying it only makes it more powerful...
To be fair: I'm not a man of deal-breakers. Nothing is an absolute deal breaker for me. For example, I love D&D 4e, despite having that watered-down class they insist to call it a "Paladin". It does mean that I don't enjoy that class there, and the game would be much better if I enjoyed this class.
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See, honestly, I think Paizo is afraid to tell us what they did. They know it's going to set someone off.
They're hoping to cement people with the info they have given so they'll stay after they release the info on the Paladin, as they know no matter what they do a significant amount of players will be upset.
I think they're starting to have the opposite effect.
I do not think Paizo is afraid of telling us anything because no matter the topic people are going to go off.
Someone is always remarking how this is the line in the sand for them and they will go away forever if X is allowed or not allowed. Goblins did it. The race blogs did it. The various class blogs have seen it.
If people are going to go away forever or hold their breath until something goes their way it is going to happen regardless of what is blogged about. Someone is always going to be unhappy about what we are shown.
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Don’t release the Paladin blog and don’t include Paladin in the playtest.
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alternatively, the dribs and drabs they are feeding us with other rules elements/class info/general mechanics might make swallowing the paladin class blog a bit easier to take. It's like when I add new fish to aquarium: Just dumping them in would induce temp shock and kill them, but if I let the bag sit in the tank for 20 minutes or so, they get adjusted to the temperature. Feeding out dribs and drabs of the rules does the same thing...
I dunno, Paladin is a class I just haven't really ever had interest in. If you like it, more power to you! I just think it's a funny place to draw a line in the sand.
I mean at the very least, I wouldn't expect a blog on paladins before a blog on alignment
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I guess they are waiting for two or three new temp hires for handling what will happen the moment the blog gets dropped. Infinity War won't have a candle next to the Great Paladin Apocalypse of 2018. Those corpses, those mountains of charred, screaming corpses ... that smell ... so wonderful.
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Honest, there are a lot of other parts of the game that I'm curious about than one small, restricted class. I'm hoping they leave paladins out of the playtest entirely.
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It's gotten to the point that none of us know what we're actually talking about.
Then maybe you should just stop?
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I assume that the order in which the blogs is released is to do with some internal Paizo timetable of what is finished, what is being polished, what requires a grasp of a concept they haven't quite firmed up the wording on, and a dozen other things that the forumites aren't aware of.
They may also be releasing the things that a wider polling of potential playtesters has suggested will be interesting, as a lot of people aren't that into paladins. I mean, personally, now I've had the cleric blog, I want bards, rituals and equipment next. But that's a personal taste.
I do however think that 'demanding' Paizo re-organise their blog release schedule to fit your personal enthusiasms is just a little bit... overly needy?
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If the paladin is really going to be the armored focused class I think they will first release a blog about weapons and armor.
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In other words:
Paizo, shut up and take our money!
We want it all and we want it now!
Patience is a virtue that I half-heard about somewhere sometime ago!
Well, Paizo?
What are you waiting for?
Instantaneously is not fast enough!
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Example:
One common argument for opening Paladin is because Paizo has indicated that they are the Armor Specialist class.That isn't what Paizo said, but they implied that would be another class in the Fighter blog. People assume that it is the Paladin.
It's gotten to the point that none of us know what we're actually talking about.
Right, but we effectively know. Paladin was the only other core class with heavy armor proficiency in PF1. What else might have been changed to fill the role? Ranger we've seen the sketch for the updated iconic- weapons were changed but not armor. Barbarian would be a really weird fit, doubly so with the iconic's general lack of armor. That's really looking like it's Paladin.
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Well and as the most contentious aspect of this new edition so far, the longer they drag it out, the more entrenched people will get (are getting) and the more acrimiony will exist, making it more likely they actually lose people over whatever does/doesn't get changed.
Edit: after all we're already at accusing people of having control issues over setting flavor, and severing limbs rather than playing with certain forumites.
Well, you think it is the most contentious part of the new edition. Some agree with you. I think it is up there, but might not be as contentious as Resonance is. I also think of they release both Paladins and Resonance near one another the forums will be a nightmare to keep up with even just reading, let alone moderating.
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Well, you think it is the most contentious part of the new edition. Some agree with you. I think it is up there, but might not be as contentious as Resonance is. I also think of they release both Paladins and Resonance near one another the forums will be a nightmare to keep up with even just reading, let alone moderating.Well and as the most contentious aspect of this new edition so far, the longer they drag it out, the more entrenched people will get (are getting) and the more acrimiony will exist, making it more likely they actually lose people over whatever does/doesn't get changed.
Edit: after all we're already at accusing people of having control issues over setting flavor, and severing limbs rather than playing with certain forumites.
No. By far the most contentious issue so far is Goblins in core. If the Goblin blog thread hadn't been closed, it would have over 3000 replies by now. No other thread has come close to it!
No. By far the most contentious issue so far is Goblins in core. If the Goblin blog thread hadn't been closed, it would have over 3000 replies by now. No other thread has come close to it!Well, you think it is the most contentious part of the new edition. Some agree with you. I think it is up there, but might not be as contentious as Resonance is. I also think of they release both Paladins and Resonance near one another the forums will be a nightmare to keep up with even just reading, let alone moderating.Well and as the most contentious aspect of this new edition so far, the longer they drag it out, the more entrenched people will get (are getting) and the more acrimiony will exist, making it more likely they actually lose people over whatever does/doesn't get changed.
Edit: after all we're already at accusing people of having control issues over setting flavor, and severing limbs rather than playing with certain forumites.
both of those things have had a blog about them, yet threads directly about paladins rival the # of threads about goblins, and thats before you even look at derailments based on alignment. When the blog releases.......
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No. By far the most contentious issue so far is Goblins in core. If the Goblin blog thread hadn't been closed, it would have over 3000 replies by now. No other thread has come close to it!
GOBLINS!!! Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
It could be worse... We COULD focus on how much Resonance goblin paladins have! ;)
both of those things have had a blog about them, yet threads directly about paladins rival the # of threads about goblins, and thats before you even look at derailments based on alignment. When the blog releases.......
Which is the most logical argument yet for why they might not release the paladin as a part of the playtest.
They've already got two contentious issues (goblins and alchemists). Why would they add in something additional that is guaranteed to create almost as much furor?
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No. By far the most contentious issue so far is Goblins in core. If the Goblin blog thread hadn't been closed, it would have over 3000 replies by now. No other thread has come close to it!GOBLINS!!! Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
It could be worse... We COULD focus on how much Resonance goblin paladins have! ;)
You just want to watch the world burn, don't you XD
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No. By far the most contentious issue so far is Goblins in core. If the Goblin blog thread hadn't been closed, it would have over 3000 replies by now. No other thread has come close to it!GOBLINS!!! Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
It could be worse... We COULD focus on how much Resonance goblin paladins have! ;)
Probably a lot as they're yet another small +cha race so assuming similar stat adjustments a level 1 goblin paladin probably has anywhere from 4 to 6 resonance.
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You just want to watch the world burn, don't you XDNo. By far the most contentious issue so far is Goblins in core. If the Goblin blog thread hadn't been closed, it would have over 3000 replies by now. No other thread has come close to it!GOBLINS!!! Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
It could be worse... We COULD focus on how much Resonance goblin paladins have! ;)
LOL I'm not a goblin paladin, so no... :P It WILL make it easy to make popcorn while it happens though.
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I'm SO looking forward to all the goblin paladins of sarenrae cuz redemption and fire...
In fact im preemptively dubbing the goblin paladin of sarenrae PF2's Drizzt clone.
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both of those things have had a blog about them, yet threads directly about paladins rival the # of threads about goblins, and thats before you even look at derailments based on alignment. When the blog releases.......Which is the most logical argument yet for why they might not release the paladin as a part of the playtest.
They've already got two contentious issues (goblins and alchemists). Why would they add in something additional that is guaranteed to create almost as much furor?
Also there is zero chance they wont release paladin with playtest. Realistically most of the changes haven't been THAT far from pf1 in classes that didn't get a full revamp. I doubt paladin is getting a revamp on the scale of cleric (Which was underdeveloped) or alchemist (which was adjusted to take advantage of a new mechanic and streamlined the awkward potion casting) The only real changes necessary (in the eyes of some) for the paladin are the save adjustments and potentially alignment/anathema.
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I think the remaining blogs should be moneyized. Whichever topic gets the most donations should be the next blog. That will tell us which is really the most popular.
Only if I can pay to get push back ones I don't want to see right away. Seriously, I want the paladin blog to come RIGHT before the playtest comes out... I'm cheap but I'd pay for that. ;)
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The final blog should be July 30, a Monday. That should be the Paladin blog and it should just say "There are paladins. See you Thursday."
The final blog should be July 30, a Monday. That should be the Paladin blog and it should just say "There are paladins. See you Thursday."
I'd rather it just say "See playtest..." ;)
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I think the remaining blogs should be moneyized. Whichever topic gets the most donations should be the next blog. That will tell us which is really the most popular.
What if Saudi princes just happen to love playing Druids?
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I assume that the order in which the blogs is released is to do with some internal Paizo timetable of what is finished, what is being polished, what requires a grasp of a concept they haven't quite firmed up the wording on, and a dozen other things that the forumites aren't aware of.
They may also be releasing the things that a wider polling of potential playtesters has suggested will be interesting, as a lot of people aren't that into paladins. I mean, personally, now I've had the cleric blog, I want bards, rituals and equipment next. But that's a personal taste.
I do however think that 'demanding' Paizo re-organise their blog release schedule to fit your personal enthusiasms is just a little bit... overly needy?
There was actually a post a few days ago (I think it was Mark's? It was probably Mark's) indicating that the playtest is going to printers this week, so the beta as we'll see it in August has been finalized.
The entitled are getting restless. So glad 2nd edition will pull all of the PFS players into it and leave first for the rest of us.
Well, I'm officially out of this discussion until Paizo gives us the blog post. I'll think about this subject in the meantime. There's no point in continuing this debate right now.