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The CRB is rather restrictive about it:

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Spells: A sorcerer casts arcane spells drawn primarily from the sorcerer/wizard spell list presented in Chapter 10.

Now this list was expanded by other books, and there is the "unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of through study" loophole. A GM can allow you to learn a new spell that's basically empowered magic missile.

However, it's usually not a good deal. Sorcerers have a very limited amount of known spells already. With spending a precious known spell on something that could be done via metamagic you cut down your versatility, in favor of a (tiny?) advantage in action economy. You could have learned fireball, haste or fly instead, to stick with the 3rd-level example...

So what's your intention? Do you want to stick with magic missile as your primary spell?


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For the median the formula is roughly 11.75 + 1.25*CR. While that's close to 15 + CR, the factor of 1.25 is important on the long run. It means that with full BAB alone you can't keep up with the increasing AC - you need to improve weapon enhancement bonuses, ability scores, class powers and probably buffs.

I like to think in "quarters" here, bonuses of roughly 0.25 per level. Each quarter gives you +1 to AB within 4 levels:

Full BAB: 4 quarters (+4 AB over 4 levels)
Medium BAB: 3 quarters (+3 AB over 4 levels)
Weapon enhancement: 1 quarter (+3 weapon at level 12, for example)
Ability scores: 1 quarter (+2 AB from +2 regular increases and +2 item increases at level 8, for example)
Class powers: 1 quarter (+1 from weapon training roughly every 4 levels, for example)
Buffs: varies a lot

If you can make it to 5 quarters (factor 1.25), you can at least keep up with the increasing AC - might be good enough for a secondary martial. For good progress you need 6 quarters, though.

There are also things which drag you down:

Power Attack / Combat Expertise / Deadly Aim: -1 quarter
Iteratives: -1 quarter in average, varies between -0 and -2 quarters (level 6 is harsh, for example: -0 AB and -5 AB means -2.5 AB in average, so about -0.417, nearly -2 quarters)

So you should aim to compensate them, get rid of them (sooner or later) or accept the reduced accuracy for other benefits (damage is the most obvious).


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I'd go with statements like this, to get into the mindset:

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It's perfectly legal.
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They totally deserved it.
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They had the chance to help themselves, but obviously they were too lazy.
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I just want order. In order everyone has a chance to prosper.
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Evil? Nah, I just have a realistic outlook.
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Evil? Look at those demon worshippers! They are all about destroying and killing!
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These goody-goodys mean well, sure. But have you ever checked out the collateral damage they cause?


The feat Cunning Killer is somewhat close. When you succeed at a Knowledge check about a creature, you gain an insight bonus on attack & damage. It has a few strings attached, but should work in practice, for example for an investigator, eldritch knight or magus.


Some people at Paizo emphasized they would like to see more reviews. Especially since the latest products got even less ratings than those before, I collected some ideas which might help:

Options with (relatively) little effort

1) Make the "write a review" link more prominent. I wrote several reviews in the past, but I still have to search for the link every other time.

2) Encourage people with a sentence that you want reviews. From the discussion I remember several people were hesitant to write, even if they could make up valuable contributions (from my point of view).

Option with more effort, likely

Protect the review text from being killed by the need of another login. If you spend enough time to write more than a few sentences and click "Submit", the page requires you to login again - and the text is gone. The frustration will ensure many people won't write such a long review again. Sure, there are ways around it (saving the text with Ctrl-C, for example), but not everyone knows about them.


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You are right with the alternate racial traits for both half-human races - they are mostly redundant with Bastards of Golarion. Beyond these traits I don't spot any reprints, though.


Random comments:

I miss the foreword a bit, despite knowing it's for a good case (more adventure pages).

Matthias Rothenaicher's maps remind me of the maps of a certain other big RPG. I slightly prefer Robert Lazzaretti's style, but it means at least some variety (which comes handy for custom campaigns).

So far, I skimmed the adventure (versatile, imaginative and sometimes challenging - great), runelord article (very welcome topic) and bestiary (creative as always, I dig magic-scent).

Personally, I found the adventure summary to be exhausting (more than a whole page of related events), though that's a general issue with APs for me.

I am not so happy with the first event - it promises combat but doesn't deliver (which would offend at least one of my regular players). The players can't do much more than a few skill checks, and then they risk to see their PCs run away (which is put into perspective, but still). To be fair, it's relatively easy to modify, and the following events are pretty good. Mister Retch has so much potential...


I was surprised to see a whopping amount of 11 new feats in this volume. They are all across the board, including metamagic, item creation and teamwork. I like some of them for being straightforward and helpful (charge and run through difficult terrain, Step Up and Strike with two weapons) and others for their creativity (ignore ability damage's penalties, create your own Charisma headband).


doomman47 wrote:
It gives you a bloodline, since it can't be in a bloodline that you already have

Hm, the text of Eldritch Heritage etc. doesn't support this claim. And the "This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have." clause could easily be about bloodline powers - doesn't make much sense to get them twice*.

* Now there are some options to exchange your regular bloodline powers. With enough of them traded away, getting them back from Eldritch Heritage etc. would make sense. But such options were rare back in UM times, the book only (?) had the wildblooded archetype for such tricks.


Saurclaus wrote:
I would like to not kill everything on site for xp but everyone else wants to play that way and I was told unless I come up with a chart I'm stuck playing their way.

Don't be surprised when you do come up with a chart and they still won't change.

There are some compromises possible, actually:

* Convince the opponents that the conflict should be settled by a duel instead of a full battle. Means less bloodshed.

* Involve the fellow players: Let them intimidate the crap out of weak foes, so they flee outright. Ask the GM whether he would award the same XP as for killing.

* Make your diplomatic move, but accept that some opponents won't be cooperative, no matter what you say or how high you roll. This kind of tolerance will make you more bearable for the remaining players.

* Deal significant nonlethal damage or knock foes out with stun / paralysis / sleep / other battlefield control effects. This way they are beaten but not killed. Be ready for fellow players still trying to kill neutralized creatures - make sure the GM awards XP already for neutralization.


If you want Str from feats, there is Raging Blood. Now it's "just" +2 Str and +2 Con for some rounds, but you don't need Skill Focus or Eldritch Heritage for it. And you get these +2 right now, opposed to the two bloodlines where you have to wait until level 19 for full benefit (level 17 if you also take Greater Eldritch Heritage).

In case you are settled on long-term bonuses, Exotic Heritage allows you to pick up Eldritch Heritage (pit-touched) - gain +6 Con instead of +6 Str. But the Eldritch Heritage for infernal bloodline is still pretty much a feat tax - unless the GM rules such a touch attack isn't a standard action but replaces a single attack.

Spending class levels is more effective. A single level of bloodrager adds +4 Str temporarily, a level of alchemist does the same. When it comes to items, a Str belt is probably an obvious choice, but also consider a mask of giants. The greater version offers a whopping +6 and is compatible with claws and bite from bloodlines (well, unless they are permanent - you might need GM's support here again).


Mary Yamato wrote:
_Giantslayer_ could well end at 2 and be about orcs and a few hill giants: 1-2 makes a reasonable arc.

You could do that, but it depends on the players. If they are aware they are playing "Giantslayer" and adjusted their expectations and characters accordingly, you might be better off with also adding book 3. After a giant-free section it allows the players to face a variety of different giants, so they shouldn't suffer from boredom by then.

Book 4 is probably a good candidate to be run on its own. Its theme and execution seems pretty good, but that gets overshadowed by "oh, giants again, and always the same type" if you play it as part of an AP.

Encounters in book 5 look like the author ran out of time - maybe another candidate for a standalone scenario, with heavy modifications from the GM. To a lesser extent, this also applies to book 6 - especially the final boss' evilness should be more obvious to the players.


Well, there are always a few new monsters in each AP volume, and there is the chance an upcoming Campaign Setting book has some. So there is a slim chance overall.

Personally I find elementals rather dull creatures - each type has only one or two interesting things, no matter the CR, so more types wouldn't add much (in my opinion). This has an advantage, though: It's relatively easy to rework an elemental type into another. Water elementals without their special powers but with an ability score damaging touch could make good void elementals, while earth elementals are a good base for wood elementals etc..

If you find the 3rd party elementals balanced - maybe make an exception from "Paizo only" and include them into your campaign.


The mouser archetype of the swashbuckler allows flanking from within the space of a bigger creature.


Derklord wrote:
Your argument ignores two things: First, other classes have these options, too (and due to higher BAB and other class features often better than Rogue), and there is no such thing as a melee who isn't a frontliner.

Other classes get much less out of flanking, feint etc.. A standard action attack might be a bad decision for them, but a rogue has the benefit of an easier sneak attack on the first hit (striking from Stealth / invisibility), still solid damage and the chance to apply a debuff.

I am not sure what your definition of frontliner is, but mine is "stays within reach of the opponent". Not necessarily true for the three options I listed at the reply to Arachnofiend.

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If Rogue is supposed to rely on flanking, why does it have to wait longer than others to pick Outflank?

Wait a moment. Rogue isn't supposed to rely on flanking. Rogue is supposed to have flanking in his toolbox. Flanking works without any investment (beside going melee), so I'd consider it a priority to add other tools first. Afterwards I can still work on existing tools.

Outflank comes at level 7 or 6 (using combat trick), meaning at the right time to compensate -2 BAB in comparison to full BAB. If the party composition supports teamwork feats at all.

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If Rogue is supposed to rely on the standard attack action, why does it have to wait longer than others to pick Vital Strike?

A fighter can pick up Vital Strike at level 6.

Most other martials have to wait until 7.
A rogue can spend combat trick at 8 to get the feat.
Alternatively, he can take it as a regular feat at 9.

So, the level difference isn't as bad as it looks first.

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If Rogue is supposed to rely on the natural attack action, why doesn't it have a class feature grating those (unlike others)? If Rogue is supposed to deny dexterity, why doesn't it have a class feature to do so? If Rogue is supposed to use TWF, why does it have no class features helping it overcome TWF's problems? (Note: unRogue does deal with the MADness, but not with the other issues.)

Because you get heavily rewarded for building towards these options.

Sneak attack is roughly 2 points of damage per level per hit, all day long. It has to be situational, otherwise it would have to be cut down for the sake of balance. If you have to spend precious character options on making it more reliable, that's ok for table balance, because you will be lacking somewhere else. But if you would get it all for free (via class features) and stack more on top of it, you might end up breaking encounters and hence the fun of everyone else.


Arachnofiend wrote:
H...how do you get flanking... if you're not on the front line...

Spring Attack, fast getaway and reach weapon come to my mind right now. Depending on battlefield situation, there might also be a difference between "in the middle of combat" and "at the edge" - the latter doesn't exclude flanking.

And these options don't even have to be perfect, because you play a class with rewards having a whole toolbox of tricks.


Different classes are supposed to lead to different play experiences. There are enough classes that work well in a straightforward way, so it's good there are a few classes like the rogue where you actually have to work with situational tools.

I don't think the rogue needs full BAB. He is rather encouraged to use the following to boost his AB:

a) flank
b) attack flat-footed / Dex denied opponents
c) use two-weapon fighting / natural attacks / standard action attacks (reducing the need for a second iterative)

Full BAB would further build the (totally misleading) concept that the rogue is a frontliner. No, he is not. Even with full BAB he'd suffer from weak saves, low AC, unreliable damage etc.. Officially his role is the following:

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Role: Rogues excel at moving about unseen and catching foes unaware, and tend to avoid head-to-head combat.

If you want a sneaky frontliner, there is the slayer.


I checked out Cunning for a phantom thief, but the feat has the issue of starting slow (just 1 rank at level 1 etc.) while skills become less important over the course of levels. If you use it to unlock class skills more quickly, it might be worth it.

An exotic alternative is the story feat City-locked: +1 to 21 skills is huge and available at a time when Cunning still builds up. It comes with some strings attached, both positive and negative.


As I remember a designer's argument from a related discussion, it's rather about book dependancy. If you want to play a magus, you only need the CRB and UM - not even the APG which predated UM (note there are no APG weapon properties for the magus). Well, despite a few spells that were introduced in the APG, but you will be fine with CRB (and UM) spells.

While it's technically all freely available in the official PRD, not everyone enjoys digging through several books for a single thing and not everyone enjoys using online resources (due to readability, ban of technical devices at the table, being old-fashioned etc.).

Finally, a magus doesn't need corrosive that urgently:

1) Acid is pretty good for a elemental damage bonus, if you have to decide once and forever. But a magus can add bonuses on the fly - and there are some foes which are vulnerable to either fire or cold. Flaming and frost become way more attractive in such situations.

2) A magus can add corrosive via crafting. Actually the class is pretty good at crafting: Full CL (unlike ranger, paladin etc.), Int based, bonus feat that can be item creation feats. It's just that you usually have other priorities.

3) A gnome magus can pick it up as FCB, as noted by Gisher.


I made up an oneshot against zombies a while ago. The two powergamers of my group joined and it was a nice session. Lessons learned:

* Players are good at adapting to enemies, if they are presented with the same challenges over and over. Make sure to add something completely different (like a cleric focused on channeling negative energy) here and there.

* I found myself tempted to build fair encounters all the time. After years of regular campaigns I got used to think among line like "not more than APL+4", "do only a single neutralization effect" or "they don't have a real counter to that yet". Actively challenge that! PCs are here to die, not to succeed.

* If you throw a lot of foes at them, you potentially also throw a lot of XP at them. There was no leveling in the oneshot - if there would have been, they would have wiped the floor with the encounters. And I am afraid the slow advancement track wouldn't have changed much.

* I allowed them to rejoin with "identical twins" of their PCs once a death occured. It was weird for them first, but they were happy to have a second try on the same challenge.


How do players lose a battle? I think it most often comes down to: They got surprised or disabled. As long as they are able to plot and act, they have a good chance to figure out how to beat even "impossible" odds.

So, whatever you do, keep the powers of the BBEG mostly a secret. Maybe reveal one or two things, so they think they know what to expect - then engage them with something completely different. Make sure the powers are not about raw damage or direct kills, but rather about neutralizing them without permanent harm:

Blinded
Frightened
Nauseated
Paralyzed
Petrified
Stunned
Asleep
Nonlethal damage
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It needs to be something that really takes them out of the battle, so there is no risk they engage the BBEG despite a hefty debuff (exhausted, sickened, magically aged etc.) and die due to it.


Dasrak wrote:
Secondly, his only way of perceiving invisible foes is with tremorsense. This means Varklops has no way of locating invisible attackers if they're flying.

Isn't detecting an invisible creature "just" a DC 40 Perception check? Varklops gets a +34 on its roll.

CRB wrote:
A creature can generally notice the presence of an active invisible creature within 30 feet with a DC 20 Perception check. The observer gains a hunch that “something’s there” but can’t see it or target it accurately with an attack. It’s practically impossible (+20 DC) to pinpoint an invisible creature’s location with a Perception check.

Ok, there is another +1 DC for each 10 feet the opponent is away, but on the other hand there are hefty penalties for combat (-20) and moving (-5 or -10). And as I read Perception, pinpointing is a move action - which means the breath weapon (two lines version) can still be used in the same turn.

Speaking of breath weapon, against sneaky players I'd ready an action to fire it at anything that shows up.


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What's the goal? Having fun building them or creating memorable foes for your players? Because depending on the answer, the villains might be very different.

I assume the second, memorable foes. Players often only get a very superficial impression of their opponents, so I'd go for one very visible ability from the first class and another one from the second. Random examples:

Monk + cleric: Moves around at amazing speed, casts divine spells then. They could cast a touch spell while still around the corner, move to the PCs, bypass the martials and touch a more fragile target.

Barbarian + druid: Activates wildshape, then manifests totem powers and some elemental rage powers. Fear the burning tiger with the gore attack!

Rogue + bard: Casts vanish, sneak attacks, runs away, taunts the pursuer with music.


Metamagic can speed up things. Quicken Spell adds a second deadly spell per round, and Widen Spell increases the amount of targets by up to 300% (!).


Pizza Lord wrote:
Aside from the fact that I can't find much indication of 'half-demon' anywhere, I assume that's a direct genealogical specification (I would likely count being a half-fiend acceptable).

Demon Revisited has some text on half-demons:

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When a demon breeds with a mortal humanoid, the resulting birth is often a specific sub-category of half-fiend — a half-demon. Certain rituals can ensure that the resulting child is a half-demon rather than a half-fiend: such rituals are common in certain demon-worshiping cults, and some demons seek to sire or birth such children for their own sinister purposes.

A half-demon’s statistics are generated as if they were half-fiends, save for some modifications dependent on the type of its demonic parentage. The majority of half-demons are chaotic evil. Each of the following chapters presents adjustments to the half-fiend template when generating a specific half-demon; you can use these 10 examples to generate new half-demon templates for demons not detailed in this book. If an element of the half-fiend template is not mentioned in a particular half-demon sidebar, that element is not adjusted.

Almost all half-demons are half-humanoids. It’s exceptionally rare for a non-humanoid to gain this template — most such situations result in a typical half-fiend. While tieflings — humanoids with a smattering of fiendish blood — may trace their lineage back to such a union, true half-demons are far rarer and more powerful than their watered-down descendants.


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MR. H wrote:
The Druid is still a better wildshaper which is just unacceptable.

As I read it, an adaptive shifter can totally combine wildshape and reactive aspects. At level 15 it's five simultaneous aspects on top of wildshape.

And even if druid is still better at wildshape, you could see it the other way: Druid is brokenly powerful, shifter is well-balanced. The game rather needs well-balanced classes than broken ones, so a shifter is a good addition. Depends on your priorities, of course.


Oh, I missed Kobold Sniper (reduces penalty to -10) and tiefling's race trait Fiendish Sniper (+5 on the check).


A rogue can pick up the fast getaway talent at level 2. Meaning they can sneak attack (for example after flanking) and withdraw in the same round. For a low level NPC respective monster that might be quite helpful.

And if players have some success with prepared actions and reach weapons against such tactics, that's a fair reward for them thinking and spending precious combat actions.

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:
First off there's sniping, but most ranged attackers of CR 2 or even CR 6 for that matter aren't really good at it. They suffer -10 to -20 on their checks

Well, there is the Expert Sniper feat for a penalty reduction of -10. Beyond that:

Halfling alternate racial trait swift as shadows: Reduce penalty by 10
Rogue (guerrilla) 4: Set penalty to -10
Slayer (guerilla) 1: Reduce penalty by class level/2

Further, you can look for significant bonuses to Stealth in general, to make sniping work. Getting them from race (such as being Small) is usually cheaper than from feats, at that low level.


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Yes, it's good to listen to what a player actually wants and not just recommend the "best" class. No disagreement so far. Of course you should warn the player if:

a) the character concept not really works in Pathfinder (character who avoids magical items)
b) the power level or style won't fit the campaign (gunslingers etc.) or
c) the concept will negatively impact fellow players' or the GM's fun (necromancer vs. paladin etc.)

With the great amount of material it should usually be possible to figure something out.

That said, I agree with Claxon: There are (usually) many ways. A player could pick up the challenge and build Batman based on a wizard, without even casting much. A quick draft:

Spoiler:
Transmutation school with enhancement subschool, craft your own Batman gear (including Arcane Builder discovery), throw in some quickened buffs later. Get Arcane Strike for some extra oomph, compensate the low amount of attacks with Two-Weapon Fighting, and pick up any unarmed style you like and which doesn't require a high BAB. There are also a bunch of magic items which can help you with punching and kicking (or melee in general) - and hey, you can craft some of them yourself.


Skuttzilla wrote:

So....I would love to hear from long time players what rules, mechanics, tables, charts, etc are tried and true and loved the most.

Also feel free to add house rules, including those that modify an existing by the book rule.

Archives of Nethys and d20PFSRD are both very helpful secondary sources when the official PRD doesn't suffice.

As a GM, I am a fan of the class templates for monsters. They are easy to add, have an obvious impact and keep your players on their toes. A common recommendation is the advanced template - I second this.

The bestiaries are great, I agree - it's just a pity some monsters are scattered over additional books, so you have to rely on secondary sources (see above) or make up your own lists. Personally, I like to keep a list of monsters I find interesting, sorted by CR.

When it comes to houserules, I try to follow the guidelines "no needless micromanagement" and "in doubt favor the players". So there is just gold in my campaigns (no platinum, silver or copper), insignificant expenses (like a round of beer) are ignored, all your ranged weapons have unlimited ammunation and encumbrance isn't tracked either (unless the Str 7 wizard starts collecting fullplates to sell them later). If two creatures have the same initiative count, PCs go before NPCs, and multiple PCs on the same count can choose who goes first (no fiddling with the initiative modifier). Both sides gain full HP for their HD, which rather favors the PCs than the NPCs with their higher Con scores.


Painful Bugger wrote:

The Adaptive Shifter archetype fixes nearly everything wrong with base shifter except wildshape. Wildshape lets you turn into plants and animals (but not elementals for some reason even though this is a planar shifter archetype) but has duration of the wildshape equal to half your level and you get it at 6th level. Can't embarrass anyone by stepping on the original Shifter's toes can we?. Overall still a improvement but it's still two steps forward, one step back.

Edit: I have the clarify the wildshape duration is not half level + wis modifier, it's just half level. A severe downgrade from the shifter's level + wis mod. I could possibly understand half level + wis modifier but it's just half level in hours. You don't even get wildshape at will at 20th level. Better luck next time I suppose.

Since Unfettered Wild Shape replaces "just" Wild Shape, it has to be roughly as powerful. Which means the player has to pay a significant price for the much higher flexibility of regular Wild Shape. That might be frustrating sometimes, but I consider it better than powercreep via new archetypes.


Reksew_Trebla wrote:
You see how broken adding a class level and templates to an already high CR creature is?

Hmm, CR scale is exponential, so +3 CR is supposed to be a really significant improvement, no matter the initial CR. For +3 CR you can alternatively get the same monster three times. Means three times the HP (nearly 2,100 for mogarus) and three times the damage output (and other offense) as long as all of them are up.

Any templates with CR increase must compete with that - hence +1 templates like advanced are already strong.


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Downloaded the PDF today and reading chapter 1 currently. So far this book shines with a good chapter structure (chapter 1 is clear-cut for players, everything beyond is GM only), methodic archetype description (every archetype gets exactly one page and a decent image) and a quite interesting feat list:

Spoiler:
* metamagic to create difficult terrain with area spells
* Demonic Style for the generic pouncing barbarian (moar damage, bull rush your foes around)
* some fun with tails
* better healing with the Heal skill at level 1
* compression ability at level 7
* Planar Heritage (which actually offers fewer options than Racial Heritage, but can be good for a fly or burrow speed)
* metamagic that throws a target around (at least a fantastic NPC option)
* jump much higher at level 3

There are a few options that put a lot of power into the hands of players (or NPCs):

* a ranger archetype that allows you to fly at level 4
* a feat that essentially gives you hide in plain sight at level 5
* a feat that hands out dimension door at level 9

The dimension door feat turns Dimensional Agility etc. into fighter bonus feats - which is actually very welcome.

I am not so happy with Tempting Bargain. It allows an Unchained summoner to take an eidolon of any alignment (useful), but also can drag the PC's alignment toward the eidolon's - which is a random alignment shift, controlled by dice luck instead of player or GM agency.


I wouldn't worry too much about the details as long as you don't intend an epic fight with this NPC. Taking a ratfolk (as suggested by Meirril) and refluffing it as rabbitfolk should usually be good enough.

Bestiary 4 has the pretty cool almiraj (bloodthirsty horned rabbit), but it's rather a monster than a NPC to negotiate with. In the same book you can find the pooka, a rabbit-like fey - might be better for roleplay.


Personally I got used to the manual screenshot-cut-modify-save-upload method, so I'd be very hesitant to pay for a more comfy feature.

However, if Paizo's maps are more readily available in Roll20, they might draw additional attention to Pathfinder (and Starfinder): "Oh, this game has such good maps - maybe I should try it!". I mean, Robert Lazzaretti creates maps far superior to most free content out there, his work is arguably even better than the D&D maps.


It's good to listen to your players, but it's not helpful to follow every of their whims. Sometimes players don't even know what they want (they just think they do) or what's good for them, and sometimes they enjoy giving someone the runaround.

Given how they act in game, I think they are better off with a light-hearted campaign. Keep the intrigue part to a minimum, let their PCs be pirates and jerks (their PCs, not them). And stick with it - players are totally capable of adapting, and a GM shouldn't be more stressed out than necessary.

If the campaign breaks apart - well, so be it. Gives you the chance to start over some day, with a probably different player composition - and more fun for everyone.


Worm that walks can be a pretty broken template - since you can add it to any spellcaster, no matter how low the initial CR. Damage reduction 15, some fast healing, immune to a lot of things, transform into a swarm etc. etc..


ohako wrote:
SheepishEidolon wrote:
What feat is it? Sometimes there are other ways to get a similar effect.
Inner Sea Gods wrote:
Steady Engagement: If you use Stand Still to prevent an opponent from moving, you may make a disarm or trip combat maneuver against your target as an immediate action.
I really like this feat, because I really like Stand Still, but...this is for a chaotic evil eidolon, not really into Irori so much...

Phew, the closest thing I found is: Wolf Style, probably augmented by Wolf Trip. Deal enough damage by an AOO and you get a trip attempt on top of it.


Rogue is nice if he wants to avoid spellcasting this time. Interesting archetypes might be:

Consigliere (three different boosts to Diplomacy at the first three levels)
Discretion Specialist (straightforward +1/2 level)
Kitsune Trickster (also add Int modifier)
Phantom Thief (+1/2 level, Skill Focus as rogue talent)
Rake (+1/3 level)

Is he actually ok with the fact that some foes can't be talked with? Mindless undead, oozes and vermin comes to my mind. If not, he might want to look into combat options for Bluff etc..


If you want several additional full BAB attacks, attacks of opportunity are an option. Enlarge person is a level 1 spell, the same applies to longarm. Longspear is a simple weapon, so available for most casters. Combat Reflexes is an obvious feat choice, but a Wis based caster could go Divine Fighting Technique (Torag's Patient Strike) instead - a dwarf is recommended since you must use a warhammer.


Eldritch pool only unlocks bloodline abilities, so personally I'd only use it when I really need the abilities. That might be the first round of full-attacking (aberrant: staggering critical, abyssal: claws etc.), an incoming dangerous effect (aberrant: aberrant fortitude, abyssal: demon resistances etc.) or a specific foe (arcane: disruptive bloodrage, celestial: angelic attacks etc.).

As I read the ability, it's not a rage effect. So you can combine it with any rage effect, including real bloodrage. Might be nice for a crossblooded bloodrager - get one 1st level power from crossblooded and the other from mystical focus.


When it comes to power, level isn't the only source. Double the wealth of a level 20 character, and it will become significantly more powerful. Add some templates, and it is improved again. Finally, Paizo used mythic in PF1 as another track of advancement.

So you can totally play a level 20 character with the power of a CR 30 creature.


Personally I don't feel any need to justify my multiclassing. It's my character, so the player most affected by my build decisions is: Me. Now fellow players and the GM are also affected, true, but as long as a) the PC's power level fits to the campaign, b) I don't invade someone else's role and c) I don't create a roleplay conflict (such as necromancer vs. paladin), they should be fine and be able to enjoy the company of my character.

The flavor can suffer to multiclassing, but that's also true for single class characters with a bad background story, inconsistent behaviour or barely any RP at all. Nope, I am not here to win the "100% pseudo-realism award", I am here to have fun.

That said, the free multiclassing is an important thing that sets Pathfinder apart from many other RPGs.


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Comparing the 4 example feats with others, they are of pretty much average power level, hence ok.

There is a huge gap between what some players expect from feats (gamechangers or significant numeric boosts) and the intended power level since 3.0 (small tweaks to focus your character). The fact that a few feats are gamechangers (allowing you to fly etc.) or offer significant numeric boosts (Power Attack etc.) just supports the gap - players consider these few feats normal and dismiss the rest as "crap". The latter also helps them to cut down an enormous number of choices to a manageable amount.


What feat is it? Sometimes there are other ways to get a similar effect.


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April Henderson 283 wrote:
So my group is about to start chapter six, and I have an aasimar paladin that can't be touched.

Oh, he can totally be touched - by touch attacks. If I counted correctly, 33 points of his AC are from armor, shield and natural - so they are gone against any foe with touch attacks. Up to you whether you want firearms, brilliant energy melee weapons*, nasty monster touches, touch spells or some other class ability.

* For this one natural armor still counts, but that might be ok.

The healing from Lay on Hands can be halved or stopped by a few options, but I don't have them at hand right now.


VRMH wrote:
If you worry about painting yourself into a corner too much, collecting a few Ampoules of False Blood will at least make other Bloodline Powers available. Some of those are pretty nifty.

There is also the Amulet of the Blooded.


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There is actually now a feat which improves healing with the Heal skill significantly: Incredible Healer

Maybe it's worth to be offered at level 3 already.


Actually there is a feat called that way.


Haldrick wrote:
I am strongly of the view that if a group decides on a non balanced party it is the player job to make it work, not the GM's.

Isn't it much easier for the GM to adapt the campaign?

DRD1812 wrote:
Don’t design for a perfectly “balanced” party. You want your players to come up with unique solutions to in-game problems, right?

Well, you could design challenges for a balanced party and throw them at inbalanced parties. That might result in the desired unique solutions, right?

At least it worked for my campaign - the players didn't have a dedicated trapspotter, just a barbarian with a single level of rogue. They had a hard time to disarm the magic trap and came up with some ideas and teamwork. Finally they got it, and it was way more interesting than "disable device X, problem solved".

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