Errenor wrote:
Explosion of Power is generally speaking the go to blood magic effect you combo with Anoint. Much better to have the front liners as the detonation source than your squishy self.
I've run and been in a few FA games at this point and it's just the default assumption for my group's campaigns at this point. We've all enjoyed being able to build wider to accommodate a wider variety of character concepts and cover more general roles without needing to ditch cooler class features. I don't hang with the most crunchy and power gamey of lads but even then FA is fairly limited in how much power you can get in the vertical sense unlike say Dual Class.
Red Griffyn wrote:
Oh! Oh! I got it! You have a party member stand next to you and spend 3 interact actions reloading your crescent (2 if you're feeling particularly generous and spend one reloading yourself). Fulfils the requirement of working in PFS2e with any comp. This conundrum is solved lads.
Generally speaking if your solution requires other dedicated party members who are devoting not-inconsiderable resources for you to do your gimmick it's not a solution that you'll either have access to in party comps or the commander and wizard will shockingly want to do other things than just pump you.
Riddlyn wrote: What's does the war mage dedication look like? The dedication itself lets you push enemies caught in non-cantrip area spell 10ft on a failed save. It has caveats that it's only moving your INT in people, can't move them into obstacles (booo), and bigger things cost more ""targets"" to move (aka large costs 2 people, huge 4, garg SOL). The level 1 buy in locks you into battle magic for your school, gives you training in light and medium armor (expert at 11), get shield block, treat martial weapons as simple, and lose your thesis and arcane bond. Lastly it gives you an ability that lets you trade any slotted spell for sure strike which...is of extremely dubious use due to the spell's added cooldown.
My thought is no. Item ikons are seperate items always. It's implied in a fairly roundabout way but "When you select one [ikon], you gain a non- magical, level-0 item of your choice that matches its usage entry." means you get a bespoke item per ikon you pick. Therefore no stacking non-body ikons into the same item likely so you don't end up with your example (or a barrow/gleam blade combo more likely). You'll need two 1h weapons if you want to juggle weapon effects or do some jank with Lightning Swap if you want to make double weapon ikon work.
Personally my favorite bit of Exemplar tech is Only the Worthy + Sandals. This requires some party buy in but tripping a person into a Worthy drop and then Sparking the Sandals into scooting everyone out of range of the target is a very annoying bit of lockdown since it basically takes a full turn for the enemy to return to operation at a minimum (1 to shrug off Mjolnir, 1 to stand, and another to chase you all down). Solid stuff for the turns after you sparked with your weapon ikon. Just be sure your other melee folks are down with the gameplay loop (or alternatively you can forgo the sandals and just sit around reactive strike punishing and treat Mjolnir as an extra action needed for the bad guy to return to operation).
Isn't the reload thing solved by taking Deft for your root epithet? It specifies you can reload before the transcend action takes place after all. I mean, I still wouldn't bother with it since I think reload weapons in general are lousy, but you can absolutely have a stable action loop with a Unfailing Gun/crossbow post level 3 anyway.
NorrKnekten wrote:
With noble branch I can at least squint and see it as an option for people who have absolutely cursed dice luck. May not be good damage, but at least you can't get screwed out of it. Plus it at least has the baseline immenence effect. Starshot's similarly detritus as Hands, but still probably better off because big monsters eventually become the norm (or are eternally the norm if you go sprite exemplar) for the -2 save rather than being yet another suicide button in the exemplar chassis. Also not sure where you're getting Starshot's the only way to get a crossbow or gun ikon. Unfailing Bow is still any ranged weapon.
Besides, if you want to talk weapon ikons that desperately need help, Hands of the Wildling needs it way, way more than Harvest. Unless you're fighting swarms you have bottom barrel immenence damage that for added insult will chip at your flank buddies and the transcend of a 15ft strike cone (that can also hit allies) isn't exactly anything special either.
Mortal Harvest actually can do a not insignificant amount of work if you build for it. Pick up an energized spark or two and you can tag a person with multiple types of persistent damage. I haven't crunched the numbers since it frankly looks like a nightmare to calculate, but if you do that the damage becomes a lot more palatable compared to the other basic immenence effects.
Virellius wrote:
Square I think gets away with it because of the pain of litigating something with extremely deep pockets and in another country. Plus the fact they've been using those things for ages now with varying degrees of serial numbers filed off. Just easier to bully smaller companies that can't handle the court fees.
Pronate11 wrote: I think the best way to handle stats for PF3 would be like lancer, just with human centric stats instead of mech centric ones. In Lancer, there are 4 stats, Hull, which boosts hp and repairs, Agility, which boosts evasion and speed, systems which boosts hacking, hacking resilience, and how many systems you can put onto your mech, and Engineering, which boosts how much heat you can take and how often you can use powerful systems. Each stat also has its own save and checks, but none of them effect your normal attack rolls. In lancer, all mechs have a reason to take every stat, so its actually a build choice. While the bulky Balor may want Hull to be even bulkier, it is also a slow melee frame, so it wants Agility, and it has some cool hacking options, so systems would be nice, and its low heat cap leaves it susceptible to a lot on hacking options, so both systems and Engineering can help there. A balor that went all in on Hull will be a unstoppable killing machine... if it can reach you before it can over heat it. Maybe you dump agility and use other systems and abilities to move around, or use hacking to move your enemies' to you. Perhaps you focus all in on systems, ignoring hull as your natural bulk protects you, and hoping the hostile hacker doesn't roll a nat 20. Theres so much more interesting and complex than "I invested everything into Hull because I need to do that to hit anything, and then I invested the rest into agility so I don't die. Now I get to decide if I want a +1 to engineering or systems." I'm as much of a Lancer shill as the next guy, but even there you still run into the fact that some stats just are better than others. Maxing (or getting close to it) Hull is essentially a requirement simply because enemy damage scaling is that brutal and relying on stuff like dodge, invisibility, or (god help you) armor are far too unreliable to act as surrogates. Conversely Systems comes closest to being the Int of the system. Sure everyone enjoys extra SP to play with but at the end of the day only dedicated hackers really enjoy the investment in addition to the fact that hostile hacks or smart weapons aren't anywhere near as common as the physical attacks. That's also not mentioning most frames have at least one stat that's basically useless for their general builds (won't catch a Barbarossa taking Sys or Agi). It's a good thought but as the saying goes, the cream rises to the top and even fairly well balanced games with minimal stats can't avoid having some more equal than others (1e 7th Sea is another example of this, all stats have their place and are desirable by all, but Panache sits atop the throne as the best one).
Matthew Downie wrote:
"Anyway Frodo you have chosen to bear the One Ring, a terrible artifact of unparalleled evil whose mere presence corrupts the most stalwar" "Blah, blah whatever Gandalf I choose to not care about that and carry on as normal" Ah, the power of bad roleplaying as they say.
The thing that always gets me about GM v Player mentality is that the whole thing just doesn't work on a premise level. The GM wins. Every time. Players have finite resources to do their builds and twist and munchkin as you may, you're never going to beat the guy who has infinite resources if he actually did decide he wants "win" the whole charade, that's the whole joke behind "rocks fall, everyone dies". Every GM wants you to succeed, with varying degrees of ease on the player side. If they wanted players to die, they'd be dead.
Onesiphoros wrote:
My gold standard for layouts these days is Lancer (and resets my general counter for shilling for Lancer here). Fantastic layout, extremely clean, and very diegetic for new folks. You couldn't straight port the style to PF, but still.
At least for me its not the language that's the issue, it's all organizational. Feats and spells being arranged alphabetically rather than by level, needing to flip between the various appendices to parse out conditions or focus spells, stuff along those lines. All a massive hassle if you're using a book or pdf and makes learning the system horrifically tedious.
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
But then players wouldn't have those tasty plot hooks and we can't have that.
The CRB layout. Dear god that layout. If you want something to singlehandedly kill the average player's interest in learning the game, just tell them to read that sucker. To this day I remain baffled how that thing managed to pass through editors and the playtest and get published with no one saying "Gee this thing is kind of a pain to read through" and the other side saying "You are correct, go fix that"
keftiu wrote:
Tell them a random guy in the internet loves it. Seriously, I find it bizarre RPG layouts aren't a solved problem at this point, but clearly it isn't so I give all my thanks to those who do a bang up job.
keftiu wrote:
For serious. At this point Lancer is the only d20 game that I hold a high opinion of. Also give props for their layouts while we're at it.
The whole panic attack framing is just kinda weird to me. Like this situation (typically) isn't going to come up when someone's overly stressed due to work/personal life, this is coming up because something hit a party member with a magic whammy or they failed a will save against some eldritch abomination from beyond time and are probably in imminent danger of being disemboweled. Mental health's important and all, but circumstances are a mite different between the real world and when in the middle of a battle with monsters. There's also the whole idea that by nature of the level up system, virtually no PC is justified suffering a mundane panic attack after a point just looking at how will saves scale up but that's neither here nor there.
CorvusMask wrote:
Well the gyrocopters are easy because those are made by dwarfs who are the setting resident non-mad-science technology lads. People would probably get salty if any of the human factions just suddenly got them and it wasn't handwaved away as gifts from the local hold. Still, it goes down to aesthetics and change at the end of the day. People would get annoyed at the !Eastern Europeans getting tanks because they never had tanks, they were always the winged lancers/ice witches dudes. The !Germans get a pass because they always had those tanks. It's kinda like if they went and gave Bretonnia gunpowder units. Like yeah, it could happen even in setting (since firearms aren't explicitly banned for use by the local unwashed peasants being recentish inventions) but I guarantee you'd have riots because it violates the aesthetic of !French-Arthurian knights people like and its CHANGE and as said, change = bad.
Sort of, that's more CHANGE BAD more than anything else. Historically, Kislev was an extremely grounded faction (Poland/Russia with a few extra bears and ice wizards tossed in by and large) and as things go, some people don't like things changing when the old way (tm) was obviously better. I'm sure that's an attitude everyone here has seen before.
There's actually some bits in competitive weight lifting/world's strongest man type contests where the guys would end up rupturing blood vessels other dangerous ailments from over exertion. Not sure if anyone ever ruptured a heart, but you certainly can break stuff if you go too heavy, hell tearing muscles/tendons in general is a significant risk in weight lifting even if that's more "cripple yourself" than lethal.
Arachnofiend wrote:
About as exciting as typical high level PF1 fare. The difference between turning a generic bandit into an atomic blast shadow at the top of init and doing that to the Tarrasque is pretty much academic since both put up exactly the same amount of fight (Read: 0). To expand the metaphor a little, PF1e isn't like DBZ because DBZ is famous for taking forever for its fights to actually resolve (for the main villains anyway). High level 1e is Fist of the North Star being 100% real. The local Kens walk up to the victim(s), laugh off the attacks if they aren't going first, declare them already dead, and several dazing fireballs/pounce barb/archer machinegun/save-lose later they're done.
The guy ruling the fortress is just a guy except when he isn't. Special/boss npcs aren't above getting templated or having some unique ritual effect going on in the background which is the same thing as bolting on bottom text when you get down to it. For all intents and purposes PCs are not going to be half dragons, broken souls, or be under the Hell's Harvest Ritual (or whatever) so we're back to no parity because someone along the way decided that their boss fighter needed a bit of spice. And while I'm thinking about it lack of parity doesn't need to be strictly about personal abilities too. While I have Hell's Rebels on the mind, one npc is a basic cavalier (no bottom text or templates) but his mount is a full on wyvern (and not a janky archtype wyvern, the bestiary one). Certainly not an option for PCs there which is its own type of lack of parity.
I don't see why adding abilities isn't playing the system as intended. As much as the game likes to say that every undead (or whatever) has the following HD type/saves/AC/etc, it also wants to present challenges and different encounters that usually run contrary to the building block so you end up with random +nat armor, math fix abilities, or just new stuff all penned in the bottom of the stat block because that's cool. The "fairness" of the building blocks of npcs is honestly all a bunch of illusory malark that can and is twisted and tortured into making a variety of different challenges (not even my opinion there, at least one of the writers said as much). There's no parity with the pc side when near everything has random special abilities penned in at the bottom of the stat block that the player side has no hope of ever getting barring extensive bribes/bullying of the GM.
And there's also the fact that as a GM I can just flat out cheat with the local evil wizard/fighter. Why does the bbeg fighter fire laser beams out of his eyes while you cannot mr player fighter? It's okay, he has the Chosen of the Dark Gods special ability I penned in at the bottom of his stat block. It also gives him permanent flight, true seeing and freedom of movement. Perfectly legal now.
Ixal wrote:
Depends who you ask. I personally found it comical that the second most granola bar chewing Good deity behind Shelyn was granting divine power to a sect of sword point conversion loons and just kind of eternally rolling with it. "Oh sure, I don't like what they're doing and they're THIS close to me giving them a stern talking to" It has the same energy as that whole Asmodean Paladin thing from a while back.
CorvusMask wrote:
Found the person actually familiar with GS and Berserk. To build off though, exploiting the dragon connection's probably the best way to scale the character to playable high levels. A straight class ranger's probably the easiest way to handle "really hates kobolds and is good at killing them" but that still leaves you with a pile of favored enemies and other such things lying around. Scaling up to dragons is a fairly natural progression (after all what's a dragon but a very big, winged, and *element* breathing kobold) and it's basically contractually obligated a GM use at least one dragon as an adversary somewhere.
zza ni wrote:
They all end up taking a sabbatical in Qadira among the Sarenrites for reasons I'm sure aren't related to scimitars and just kind of proliferate from there.
breithauptclan wrote:
It's an interesting idea, but I chose Lancer for a reason. That being its mech section is an extremely elegant and efficient piece of rules writing. Define a handful of core things up front (what's an object, what's a character, etc) and then all the other relevant tags and noteworthy bits of mechanics are bolded for clarity. Works well, is succinct, and avoids the "written by a lunatic" thing. The basic point of the matter if your mechanics descriptions are an unwieldy pile of tags...odds are something can be done to trim that down whether in terms of mechanic being too complicated in and of itself or your core system has too many fiddly bits ticking inside.
Zioalca wrote:
Frankly if you're bolding every other word that might just be a sign the system could be use some trimming down. I've seen games like Lancer that have no problems bolding all their keywords and not looking like a lunatic wrote them.
CorvusMask wrote:
Course most babies here aren't capable of being a legitimate threat to your continued existence. Old enough to bite my face off, old enough to get shanked. No mercy for the wyrmlings straight out of the egg.
CorvusMask wrote:
Not like that's changed much lately. I mean, no one blinks when the GM throws a red wyrmling at the party after all.
I don't have any play experience with it, but at least from a read, the system seems well put together, turn order being one of the things that looks especially nice on paper. The older games honestly got a little too granular and fiddly for their own good even if there's parts to them I'll defend to my dying day (Dark Heresy 1e had the best psychic system and I will not hear otherwise). As for the story angle, I imagine it's easier to differentiate everything by tier rather than looking at it as a whole. For instance going for the super heroic Deathwatch style of play you'd want to look at Tier 4 play where your party consists of the local veteran Inquisitor, an Intercessor, and Guardsman Marbo under a different name. Meanwhile grim (dark) and gritty Dark Heresy style play would hover around Tier 1-2. The fact the party is ""mixed"" is secondary to the fact that the tier determines the rough level of larger than lifeness your squad is expected to have (see the previous example of not thinking of a T4 guardsman as even a veteran but an essentially legendary trooper considering his badassitude is placed as equivalent to space marines)
Maybe, but ultimately is the game enriched by having the GM need to consult the big table of object HP/hardness to determine that an object made of plant matter with a thickness of 15ft has 5*15 hp with a hardness of 0 (but wait, this is a magic beanstalk so that means...) vs just saying that a magic beanstalk as thick as whatever colorful term he used to describe it will take a solid 10 minutes of thwacking to cut down? Same with a rope. I honestly don't give the slightest semblence of a bother about looking up that a rope is 5 hp hardness 3 when I can just rule that a 1 action swing with an edged weapon will cut the rope holding the rickety rope bridge up. Dragging the game to a grinding halt as the gm flips around calculating the durability of objects is frankly the opposite of a good time in my book no matter how much verisimilitude it adds.
I dunno, should giants be considered innately magical because they violate the square cube law and thus when they step into an AMF their legs break like toothpicks? Having played games with some obnoxious physics majors, I'm pretty firmly in the realm of letting sleeping dogs lie. Fantasy game, real world physics need not apply for my winged lizards and giant monsters.
I dunno, full deities going to punch demon lords in the abyss doesn't seem to have the best track record ranging from the deity getting merced to almost causing the abyss to unite with all the general bad things that happen with that. Maybe if they sponsor some plucky mortals to do britch adjusting instead, that seemed to work out fairly okay.
I dunno, the general reasoning of "Due to the current stellar-political climate and activity of other more existential threats, the amount of hardware and manpower needed/would be lost dispersing a bunch of pirates is not worth it compared to largely tolerating the current state of affairs where they just rob/racketeer a bunch of merchant ships" fits fine as far as I can see. There's a whole host of bigger threats than some pirate yokels lurking around and the various heavy hitters either have to deal with those or can't afford to gut their fleets clearing some relative small frys preying on shipping due to opportunistic "allies" or those same threats.
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