Pathfinder Lost Omens: World Guide

Usually midnight Pacific

3 am for me in Florida. 1 am when I was in Montana.

Michael Pitts 641 wrote:

What time will the PDF be available ;_;

Good question. They used to pop up at midnight, but the new CRB wasn't available until later in the day. I'm not sure whether that was an aberration or the signal of a new practice.

Yep, it became available at midnight here on the West Coast.

Just bought the Pdf and first thing I checked was the Poster map.

Nice that they have updated the Inner Sea region with happenings in the Adventure Paths.

"Lastwall, you will be missed and your sacrifices shall not go in vain! Now how can I make Whispering Tyrant to set his sight to Razmir? He might be interest to find out if this so called" Living God" is match to his might like Aroden was."

Hopefully, when they release more setting books, they make the area postermaps so that you can just add, for example, Garunds map under Inner Sea map and fill your wall with huge map of Golarion. Crown of the World might be littlebit difficult.
"I can always dream, can't I"

In the World Guide itself I like the break up of differend regions with Nations, religions, resources etc. Also region specific Backgrounds, yay.

Will have to immerse myself with more time, now just skimming the book at work.

"Can I have more please Paizo. Pretty please, with sprinkles on top"

"Famously accepting of strangers, Nantambu’s populace boasts dozens of different ancestries, from Ekujae elves to Jaha lizardfolk, gnolls to catfolk. Here one can find even the most reclusive of Mwangi peoples, such as the shy anadi, many-eyed goloma, bone-feathered shisks, or inevitable-worshipping conrasu with their elaborate biological machines and living wooden exoskeletons."

I love it when new races/ancestries are name dropped in random sentences :D Makes me feel excited for the future content

Anyone Know what Achaekek's Divine Font is? Red Mantis Assasins need to worship him to get the archetype, and his domains and favored weapon are probably the same. But is he a Heal and Harm Font? Or just a Harm font?

Also, what's his spell list?

So can someone please tell me what Paizo's breakdown is for pricing their PDFs? This is a 136-page sourcebook, for $25. Both the Core Rulebook and Bestiary, are mammothly larger, and are only $15. Is this a mistake, or has Paizo lost their minds? Because the Character Guide coming out in October is priced the same.

The Core Rulebook and Bestiary are offered at a lower price point to make it easier to access the game. The Lost Omens World Guide is not mainly game rules, it is setting lore. Since not everyone plays in Golarion, it's not as critical a resource. Check the 1E core rules, you will see the same setup from 2008.

Anyone Know what Achaekek's Divine Font is? Red Mantis Assasins need to worship him to get the archetype, and his domains and favored weapon are probably the same. But is he a Heal and Harm Font? Or just a Harm font?

Also, what's his spell list?

Only an issue if you're signing up as a cleric, but that is an easy way to get weapon proficiency.

As a god of assassinations, he really doesn't have any reason to give healing. Dunno about the spells- I'd just look at what PF1's evangelist boons were for now?

"The Core Rulebook and Bestiary are offered at a lower price point to make it easier to access the game. The Lost Omens World Guide is not mainly game rules, it is setting lore. Since not everyone plays in Golarion, it's not as critical a resource. Check the 1E core rules, you will see the same setup from 2008."

Uhm, no.
Example: Inner Sea Gods. PDF is $27, page count - 338.
Sorry if you think $25 for 137 is of worth or sensible, you're being scammed. That's literally disgusting from Paizo, to steal that much money from any patron, for that LITTLE content.

Inner Sea Gods was the exception (and Inner Sea World Guide I believe).

Look at the prices for all their other products.

And lol at 25 being nonsensible and disgusting but 36 being okay for the same page count. The APs only have a 7 dollar drop in price for PDF versions.

So can someone please tell me what Paizo's breakdown is for pricing their PDFs? This is a 136-page sourcebook, for $25. Both the Core Rulebook and Bestiary, are mammothly larger, and are only $15. Is this a mistake, or has Paizo lost their minds? Because the Character Guide coming out in October is priced the same.

The core books should be a lot more, but they're offered at a huge discount to let people play the game affordably. Paizo's hoping that you'll like it enough to also buy their setting material or adventure paths, sold at more normal prices. If you don't think it's worth it, then there's always the wikis or running homebrew settings.

Sorry if you think $25 for 137 is of worth or sensible, you're being scammed. That's literally disgusting from Paizo, to steal that much money from any patron, for that LITTLE content.

If it were a problem, I'd stop buying from them. You're welcome to do the same or subscribe for the free PDF. (Admittedly, as a volunteer coordinator I receive all PDFs at no cost.)

See this post for past discussion.

All of the hardcover rulebook PDFs are $9.99, which is considerably less (as you noted) than our normal PDF pricing. The low price print makes it more accessible for people taking a first glance at the rules (and the world, in the case of the Inner Sea World Guide), hence the price difference.

I hope you also took a look at the fan-run Pathfinder Wiki as an additional free resource for your entry!

Also this one from Vic.

When the original campaign setting book came out several years ago, *all* of our PDFs were priced at about 30% off the print price. A year ago, we experimented with the $9.99 price for the Core Rulebook, and we think it really paid off, so we've continued using that price point for the core RPG line, and we'll also be offering the new Pathfinder Campaign Setting World Guide: The Inner Sea PDF at the $9.99 price.

We won't be lowering the price on this one because many of our best customers paid the higher amount, and it would be somewhat unfair to sell it to others for significantly less—and frankly, we would rather have people buy the new one anyway; leaving this one priced higher makes that one even more appealing. In fact, when the new one comes out, we'll be adding a note to this one telling you that you really ought to look at the newer, cheaper one instead—but if you really, really want this one, you can still buy it.

That's a curious definition of stealing. Typically the exchange of money for goods is called commerce.

That's literally disgusting from Paizo, to steal that much money from any patron, for that LITTLE content.

I also wish paizo wasn't so disgusting and wish they would post literally the entire rulebook online for free via some kind of magic archive.

But instead they want to compensate their writers, editors , artists, designers and staff with these greedy practices. Disgusting

Nocticula and Arazni? Both are deities but there is no Domains for either that I can find. Or a favored weapon for Arazni.

Arazni was the rapier.

Details for Achaechek, Arazni, Casandalee, and Nocticula will all be showing up in Lost Omens Gods & Magic.

Details for Achaechek, Arazni, Casandalee, and Nocticula will all be showing up in Lost Omens Gods & Magic.

That's more than a little disappointing honestly. They could have just tagged those aspects in the sidebar on each.

Luis Loza wrote:

Details for Achaechek, Arazni, Casandalee, and Nocticula will all be showing up in Lost Omens Gods & Magic.

That's more than a little disappointing honestly. They could have just tagged those aspects in the sidebar on each.

Not really, then they'd also have to give out the spells the deity grants, eating up word count. As it stands the sidebars are just flavor for the moment

I removed some posts. I am not comfortable picking apart reviews in the product discussion threads.

It is amazing how much you guys blindly follow this sort of price gouging from a company. Check around to any other PDFs from most other companies. See how much they offer for $25, compared to this product, with a scant 136 page count. Honestly it's sad that Paizo has gone this route, and if it continues, my group definitely won't be buying. And this coming from us that have been playing since day one 1E. Oh well, that's how companies lose players.

Most other PDFs are full book price in my experience. I don't know how you have missed this if you've been playing since 1E.

Most PDFs have never been anywhere near full book price. I can sit here and link example after example comparing Paizo PDFs to my local brick and mortar stores. Also again, you don't engage the fact that the book is 136 pages ONLY, for $25. While other companies are offering over 300+ pages for $19.99 easily. That's ridiculous gouging of customers, for barely any content.

Most PDFs have never been anywhere near full book price.

Nearly every other PDF I have seen sold has been equal to book price. Paizo has been ahead of other publishers in this regard. And I don't count pages, I count content.

Wrong. I can send you link after link showing otherwise from full priced items. Also that's great, go pay 10 pages for $25 as well then, since you value only "content over page count". LOL That's how we let companies continue to ruin the market, and gouge players. This type of mentality.

If that 10 pages was worth $25, I'd certainly pay it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Whelp, that says it all folks. It saddens me you would let a company run you over like that. It's why we have the issues we have today with them. But hey, like you said, your money, blow $100 for 10 pages also. Why stop there, same path of logic.

Maybe I don't think the content is worth $100.

I value things differently than you do. All you care about is page count.

Wrong, see that's where you don't get it, my profession is a writer. I value overall worth and content from a company. A company can already pump out 300-600 pages of quality in a book, and price it low. Don't then turn around and slap us in the face by spiking the price WAY above the norm, and give us no content at all. That's called gouging. There is a balance between the two that is kept, that's called good commerce, and love of the customer.

I don't see that going on here. You obviously do.

300+ pages = $19.99
136 pages = $25

Pretty simple math. You want us to pay for quality and quantity, that's fine. You want to gouge, keep going by basically putting little page count for high costs.

Every Paizo PDF outside of what they consider "core" is priced at approximately 70% of the print price. Always has been.

Adventure Path: 96 pages, print price $24.99, PDF price $17.99.

Campaign Setting softcover: 64 pages, print price $22.99, PDF price $15.99.

Player Companion softcover: 32 pages, print price $14.99, PDF price $10.49.

Flip Mat: 1 double-sided map, print price $19.99, PDF price $13.99.

Standalone adventure: 64 pages, print price $22.99, PDF price $15.99.

Original Campaign Setting hardcover: 256 pages, print price $49.99, PDF price $34.99.

Novel: 400 pages, print price $9.99, PDF price $6.99.

Honestly, I agree with you that I would never pay $25 for a PDF. That's why it's great that I can subscribe to the Lost Omens line and get the PDF free with the print product.

We got it Hunters Moon. You've beat the dead horse. You don't like the price of the PDF, we got it.

Since there were PDFs available on the internet for sale, PDF pricing has always been all over the place. There are all sorts of reasons why different companies price PDFs (or any other products) the way they do, and page count is only one such variable. in fact, I would imagine that page count, in certain circumstances, may not even be a factor.

Wrong. I can send you link after link showing otherwise from full priced items. Also that's great, go pay 10 pages for $25 as well then, since you value only "content over page count". LOL That's how we let companies continue to ruin the market, and gouge players. This type of mentality.

Gouge players? Paizo lets all mechanical content they release be posted FOR FREE online.

I picked up Pathfinder back when I was broke because I literally didn't need to purchase a single thing to play the game with my friends. Dungeons & Dragons in comparison only has minimal information available for free, and they don't even release pdfs of their main products. Accusing Paizo of gouging the price on pdfs is just absurd to me - they've certainly been the most generous major TT RPG publisher in my experience.

300+ pages = $19.99

136 pages = $25

You're still focused on page count.

Was that in one of the APs? When'd that take place, and are there more details?

300+ pages = $19.99

136 pages = $25

Pretty simple math. You want us to pay for quality and quantity, that's fine. You want to gouge, keep going by basically putting little page count for high costs.

Paizo massively undersells their core book PDFs. They always have to get people into the game. Writing engaging, massive books with textbook quality production values is not cheap and from what I know, Paizo pays their freelancers some of the highest wages in the TTRPG industry. If you want to keep the game and the industry alive, you've got to pay the people who make it.

I have to admit that I have problem with deciding how to review this book :'D I mean, it has cool new content, I like that it upgrades the setting, it has best art out of all Pathfinder books so far..

But its kinda hard to compare 138 page book costing 26 dollars for pdf to The Inner Sea World Guide 322 page book costing 10 dollars. Like I get that Paizo was under selling the original books to encourage new buyers, but it still doesn't feel good from customer perspective even if there is explanation for it.

Like I'm still gonna review book either 4 or 5 stars, but I have trouble deciding which because of the whole comparison between prices and page count of 1e and 2e setting books :'D Like if you are low on money, it might actually be better idea to buy inner sea world guide if you don't have it yet and don't mind setting being bit outdated(or if you run 1e aps in 2e)

(I guess if someone can confirm that The Inner Sea World Guide had its pdf price drop, that would make it bit easier for me to decide. Like if it was originally 18 dollars for pdf, thats bit more easier to handle since at least the art quality is super mega high in this one)

Most other PDFs are full book price in my experience.

... okay, regardless of what I think of the rest of this dispute, I think you should know that your experience has led you to make a very factually incorrect argument.

Examples:

Shadow of the Demon Lord -- PDF $18.99, Softcover Book $39.99

Shadowrun Fifth Edition Corebook -- PDF $19.99, Hardcover Book $59.99

Modern AGE Rulebook -- PDF $18.95, Softcover Book $34.95

GURPS Basic Set 1: Characters -- PDF $29.99, Hardcover Book $49.95

In regard to pricing comparisons, it’s important to distinguish between Core rulebooks and accessories. Most game companies heavily discount their “beginner boxes”, “starter sets” or “core rules” for obvious reasons.

I think it’s equally important to consider like-for-like. That is, graphically intensive books with graphically intensive books. Colour vs colour....etcetera.

FWIW, I wish all RPG companies charged considerably more fore print and PDF versions of their books. The industry is starved of capital and still tries to compete as if it’s got the same backing as mainstream publishers.

Best analog for a RPG sourcebook is an entry level, college textbook, imo. They’re similarly niche and there’s a similar number of people able to write them.

- 08/19 "World Guide" 136 pages $37

- 10/19 "Character Guide" 136 pages $35

-01/20 "Gods & Magic" 128 pages $35

These books are rather pricey for their page count.
But the real problem for me is the frequency in which they appear.

If this continues, i will probably skip the next book.

Same thing with the Bestiaries:

- 08/19 "Bestiary"

[- 11/19 "Bestiary Battle Cards"]

[- 11/19 "Bestiary Pawn Box]

- 04/20 "Bestiary 2"

Are we getting a new Bestiary every six months now?

I would advise slowing down the releases or people might soon be overwhelmed.

Are we getting a new Bestiary every six months now?

I believe the intention was to "front load" with stuff like the Bestiaries so people have stuff to encounter/summon, it'll most likely resume a more laid back pace after 2.

Marco Massoudi wrote:

Are we getting a new Bestiary every six months now?

I believe the intention was to "front load" with stuff like the Bestiaries so people have stuff to encounter/summon, it'll most likely resume a more laid back pace after 2.

Yeaaah, we are currently in bit weird situation where while Bestiary 1 has tons of content, it doesn't actually have lot of variety in level 1-3 encounters :p I mean, they are almost all various humanoids currently. Kinda need to get game mastery guide's npc statblocks to have more non monstrous enemies too

(also summon animals have much more PC level 1 use than summon construct were only summon is level -1 animated broom and no level 1 constructs at all)

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Most other PDFs are full book price in my experience.

... okay, regardless of what I think of the rest of this dispute, I think you should know that your experience has led you to make a very factually incorrect argument.

Examples:

All of your examples are in the gaming hobby, which I did not limit myself to. I'm not sure what incorrect argument I made, regardless. My main argument has been that page count is a poor metric for the value of a product.

Details for Achaechek, Arazni, Casandalee, and Nocticula will all be showing up in Lost Omens Gods & Magic.

It feels really weird that I have to Wait until next year to get the information needed to get access to the Red Mantis Assassin Prestige. As far as I know Sawtoothed Sabers are Uncommon with no access method to get trained beyond being a Cleric of Achaekek? Without the cleric info the archetype is basically only useful for GMs. Now, In this case I am a GM and can fudge the rules (I need the info for a GM character for Age of Ashes to shore up my all melee party of 7 players, none of whom have thievery or religion trained, because I have lost all common sense) but it effectively locks out players, doesn't it?

I would be surprised if the Red Mantis Dedication feat does not grant access to the sawtoothed saber.

The Weapon Training General Feat can get you advanced.

Fighter’s get Trained in Advanced Weaponry as well.

Exciting news! This is now available for purchase from Fantasy Grounds or on Steam. Sync your account first to get it a discount equivalent to the PDF Price ($25.99)

Pathfinder Lost Omens World Guide
Publisher: Paizo Inc.
Type: Guidebook
Get it on Steam

Finally got my hands on the pdf, and I have to say I really enjoy how things are structure and how some of the things I worried about when it came to Lore were proved wrong/correct. All around good to know. Looking forward to a more in-depth read later.

How do you spoiler tag by the way?

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Remove the spaces in the brackets.