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The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

Or put another way, The manner in which you previously engaged with the elements that make up the society is part of your backstory and the manner in which you interact with the society on an ongoing basis is also a thing represented by a different mechanic in which none of those elements are the same.

Why are they different things? Why do they need to be separate? It just feels really busy and... well redundant. This would have been an interesting mechanical element to tie up with faction but I really don't see the point in highlighting both series of divisions with in the group.

Really just having one or the other would have been sufficient.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

That's a good point Cyrad thus still feels really redundant with Faction.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

Neat.

Seems like we are asking an awful lot of first time players in terms of resource management though.

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I am planning to run this while designating the Leng Spiders as optional and the bodaks as mandatory because I think it would make a big difference

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I don't really play across gender.

I have an agender Kitsune who has simply 'forgotten' what their natural form is because they change faces so frequently and a single elves wizard who is so macabre that her gender is what it is so she can wear gothic dresses.

I will say that Paizo brings some of this on themselves. When companion to the lonely, calistria, urgathoa and arshea Divine Obediences are all somewhat recently written mechanical options that are PFS legal we have to expect that this sort of behavior is what the result will be. I may simply audibly groan when such things come up but a less invested player may instead decide to never come back.

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I have opted to make alternative purchases, but it would be appreciated if this option existed in the future.

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Damned Apples.

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I would like some help in applying these to my planned subscription purchases for Starfinder.

If necessary, I would like to cancel my Starfinder Subscription, so I can re-up it with these vouchers applied.

Thank you.

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Plotwise this is exactly the sort of thing I want to see more of but this feels pretty poorly constructed mechanically.

I am gonna be running it 4 times this week at Origins - it feels to me like if you wanted to do this one on hyperspeed you could just flop the mechanical cards on the table here and any table with a halfway decent skills character would clear it no problem while characters with no investment could still attempt it.

Definitely feels more like a low level adventure that got high level combats tacked on.

That said lots of flavor here but I recommend thumbing through Dragon Empires Primers chapter on Nagajor and any extra information on the ratfolk empire you can find because the scenario doesnt give enough for you to really dig into things

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I would still like to be removed from this lodge.

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I miss when the Society was a Neutral organization.

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I have no huge issues with the rubric - a few quibbles here and there but Jon and Aaron really nailed it.

Its the three evaluations that strike me as placing an undue administrative burden on our volunteer corps and frankly on a number of our GMs.

I WANT the 5 thingy evaluation to retain that celbratory nature and that milestone feel. It was a special evening the night we did mine.

I feel that going to 3 evaluations makes the whole thing into a chore for everyone and robs us of that whole aspect.

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NightTrace wrote:
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Also, when did lizardfolk become such a big deal? They will be one of the early playable factions, but I am pretty sure that a lot of players are looking forward to other races.
Paizo has said in interviews and things before that they recognized that Lizardfolk were one of the races that were open to get emphasis and focus akin to what they did with Goblins without running into other companies work/etc.

Ah yes the old focus group approach to RPG writing.

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Paul Jackson wrote:

I just want to be the first to say :

If Paizo at some points decides it would be "interesting" to have Fola Barun have her own agenda and betray the society and her followers in pursuit of that agenda I will be very, very, very pissed off.

ESPECIALLY if the PCs aren't allowed to actually do anything about it "just because".

As in rage quit PFS upset. As in do everything I can legally and ethically do to kill PFS locally upset.

You got to do it once (over many players objections). You do NOT get to do it again.

Honestly, I like the whole Torch angle a lot and think Society could do with a more interesting/intriguing metaplot than we've had recently outside the Sages.

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Fola Barun huh?

Given recent events if you were gonna go that route, Finze Bellaugh makes a lot more sense. After Bones of Biting Ants, it would make a lot of sense for him to spearhead that sort of thing while Fola Barun just sort of....exists.

I have no opinion on the other faction but Urwal is a pretty strange choice.

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Lau Bannenberg wrote:

I think it's good to keep a sense of perspective about earning five whoozits. This isn't graduating college on time or earning a certification you need for a job. If you're seriously contemplating blowing a grand on it, you should consider if you're not taking it too seriously.

In our lodge, the five star test so far has been mostly a celebration. The people doing it have been GMing for a while and are pretty confident of passing. Typically we invite friends who've been along for that ride and celebrate it as passing a milestone together.

If you look at the rubric and assess "how hard is this", it really isn't asking for the stars. "Acceptable" is a pretty modest bar and earning multiple "Exceeds" should be in the cards for most people taking the test. When you're planning a trip to some fun convention that also has some people who could administer the test, you should be able to be confident that you'll pass. This isn't a desperate gamble. Don't spend a grand to go to a convention just to get tested, but if you're going anyway, do make use of the opportunity.

If this is the case - and I agree that it is and should be - I have to question what the purpose of the rubric and triplicate evaluations even is.

It just feels like bureaucracy for its own sake and I already work for the federal government man.

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A good many of us run a mix of games.

I know I am simply shouting into the ether at this point but I think it bears repeating - the goals of this program are still very unclear to me.

I also would like to echo the "this isn't a job and a formal HR evaluation isn't something I want out of my GMing experience" sentiment - certainly not while retaining the current level of reward.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

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The more you play or GM for the new edition, the more potential replay opportunities you'll accrue for the first edition campaign.

Wow. Not cool. Really not cool.

People and groups that need replays for first edition are the ones NOT playing PF2. This does nothing to get the people who need the replays to stay in the campaign the replays they need to keep it going.

Yeah this is.... absurd.

And just defeats the point of extending replay in the first place.

Like.... What are you even thinking?

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Well that's an annoying set of maps.

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BPorter wrote:
eddv wrote:
By the point that theyre back to playing 2nd banana to WotC, who really cares about Paizo is my point.

You actually came to the Paizo boards just to say "who really cares about Paizo"?!?

Damn, the Internet is weird.

If They go back to being a 3pp for WotC was the full context there.

But sure.

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By the point that theyre back to playing 2nd banana to WotC, who really cares about Paizo is my point.

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I'm not THAT attached to Golarion to keep playing in it in 5e.

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I would like to be removed from this lodge.

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Mark the Wise and Powerful wrote:

If all else fails, a 5e Paizo would be better than none at all.

Frankly, a 5e Paizo would basically be no Paizo at all.

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5E support out of Paizo?

Can't say I ever expected to see that.

Was really interested when I thought it was going to be a 1E collection a la Rise of the Runelords and Crimson Throne.

Literally no interest in a 5E/2E product at this time.

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I think we could do early Gundam style mechas as late level Mechanic options.

But I also love the idea of doing a true Voltron style mecha as an alternative to Starship combat

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Will we see more personal boons that incentivize playing the core races?

I have grown to love several of the core races - the Kasatha most of all - but feel guilty leaving my hard earned race boons on the table.

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Red Will: 1d20 ⇒ 11
green Will: 1d20 ⇒ 6
yellow Will: 1d20 ⇒ 14
Purple Will: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (4) + 3 = 7
Bone Devil Will: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (4) + 7 = 11

yellow Will: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (10) + 2 = 12
Purple Will: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (18) + 1 = 19
Bone Devil Will: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (17) + 12 = 29

The human guards are obliterated by the combined for of Doodle and Anwars blasts of fire and holy power and the bone devil is groping around blindly

Knocked on his back foot like that, shimmer is able to approach and do some damage, though not near enough as he had expected clawing against bone.

Finally the Paladin Jayori rushes forward and slams his holy trident into the bones shattering his profane defenses

The devil senses the two creatures before him and gropes out blindly for the massively painful paladin.

Bite: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (4) + 14 = 181d8 + 5 ⇒ (5) + 5 = 10
Miss Chance? Hit on 51+: 1d100 ⇒ 17
Claw: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (18) + 14 = 321d6 + 5 ⇒ (2) + 5 = 7
Miss Chance? Hit on 51+: 1d100 ⇒ 14
Claw: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (17) + 14 = 311d6 + 5 ⇒ (5) + 5 = 10
Miss Chance? Hit on 51+: 1d100 ⇒ 10
Stinger: 1d20 + 14 ⇒ (10) + 14 = 243d4 + 5 ⇒ (3, 3, 1) + 5 = 12
Miss Chance? Hit on 51+: 1d100 ⇒ 19

However, fe flails around aimlessly, unable to focus on anything with the holy light of Fredreka still on his vision

Jayori
Anwar
Doodle
Fredreka
Shimmer

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Bone Devil (-87)

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....Might as well be walking on the sun.

Burning Archipelago may be my favorite place on the pact worlds!

Looking forward to Dawn of Flames once I am done messing with Aeon Throne and Signal of Screams.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

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Let's set aside the logistical concerns for a moment because while they alone should be enough to illustrate that this isnt going to work in practice, I think the core of this endeavour is a poor idea.

Lau Bannenberg wrote:


We can argue about the exact logistical implementation - like HMM said, it shouldn't be too burdensome to organize or too expensive. The implementation details do matter and require some thinking about. But the bigger picture is that having useful, actionable quality goals would help us make organized play even more fun.

I agree, there is nothing more fun than telling your peers who are volunteering their time to help run a campaign with you the exact ways in which they aren't good enough. That's so fun that they will definitely continue volunteering their time. Like I can't stress enough the idea of having 'actionable quality goals' where the action is withholding recognition for the time they have put into the campaign is to me a fairly repulsive idea.

If some senior VOs or John Compton/Thursty or someone want to put together a series of blog posts detailing what makes a good Society GM and some good tips and tricks of the trade as a series of blog posts or something that might be a better and more positive way to try and raise the quality of GM play in a way that is less elitist and more productive. You are still presenting these ideas on what makes a good GM and arming GMs with the correct feedback questions without lording recognition for their service over their heads.

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What is 5 now about? Is it about GMing or is it about contributing to the campaign? Should some amazing GM from another system learn PFS/SFS and dominate the rubrics and put on the best games ever NOT get the new quality guarantee stamp because they haven't served enough? Should some 'ok but reliable' GM who has put in 300 tables NOT get it because he doesn't have the X factor? Should a GM who has done the time and has the chops, but not the $$'s miss out because three VC's can't get to them?

This is my thing entirely. 'mark of service' and the 'stamp of quality' should not be tied together like this with Novas. It does feel like there is some community want or need for a quality control process, but it shouldn't be bogging down the nova/glyph process. I feel by trying to serve both, you ultimately serve neither and will have plenty of deserving GMs left out of the 5 nova/glyph club.

Given the difficulty (in my experience) of getting together these evaluation games even for people in good situations and the sheer cost for people in certain parts of the country/world it just feels like a huge slowdown to the process for people in certain regions while favoring just a few regions that have multiple well clustered VCs.

Hmm mentions maybe opening things up to VLs or the like to be evaluators and while that simplifies it, I as VL have played under my VC plenty of times, the evaluation itself WOULD just be a rubber stamp. I feel that if my community wanted to run a GM out of town on a rail it would happen well before game 150.

I just haven't heard the reason here. What is broken that needs to be fixed? Are there 5* GMs who absolutely should have been flunked and weren't for want of a rubric or multiple chances to see said person in action? Hmm's suggestions are interesting, but none of them seem to answer why sufficient to upset the apple cart to this degree. Especially when this is still a volunteer organization where we should be THANKING our volunteers, perhaps more than just with a picture just to their number on the website.

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I really don't feel like 3 game evaluations is going to significantly change things to be honest. Its not enough to actually ensure quality, just enough to make getting nova number 5 a pain. Even my single evaluation game was a real pain to schedule. I know a local GM that had to wait over a year for the stars to align on just one audited game getting made. My own waited a few months and my VC at the time lived 5 miles from me.

Yes like many of you, some of the worst tables I have ever played at have been run by 5* GMs having an off day. But, also many of the best. Not every game is gonna be a good one and even a usually very good GM may just simply not have good chemistry with a particular table of randoms.

Maybe there could be some separate GM mark of quality but that should be a bigger project that is more than just 3 audited games and be more directed at mentoring and the like.

I like novas and stars as being what they originally were - a mark of service. Helping 150 tables make and helping a convention multiple times over running multi table specials which are a BEAR to prep and a marathon to run is something worthy of praise and should be the goal of this program.

I also think if you try to make it about GM quality that the time served requirements are frankly a little insulting. You don't need to run 150 games and make your way out to 10 multitable specials to be a good GM after all and the insinuation that a GM doesnt 'deserve' that 5 nova mark of quality until that point strikes me as badly misguided.

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We see right through this attempt to get us off the trail of Historia 6s wrongdoing.

Nice try!

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

Good previews.

Absolutely tortured that I wont get to play all these Scoured Histort adventures before2-00

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Hard pass.

Crit and Fumble decks take my least favorite part of the game - the dice - and grants them even more weight.

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I am very excited to hear back from Origins!

No offense to Bob (who does amazing work) but Origins just feels like home.

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Oh this again.

The main thing at issue in the Magic case was that they were able to establish that the judges WERE being compensated in the form of those rare magic cards and that that compensation had been unevenly applied and unfairly withheld.

The secondary market for boons has always been discouraged (rather than encouraged as was the case with Magic) and not especially lucrative where it existed, the boons are now all explicitly marked as having no cash value so it's not the same situation in many many ways.

This does approach the line for FLSA but it doesnt cross it. Like forget BSA - the number of unpaid interns in the world shows that this should be at the very bottom of anyone's to care about list.

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Come on baby Start My Fire. - Me reading the AP description

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I really thought finally seeing the books would raise my excitement level but even this one just isn't doing it

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Ugh goblins.

So awful.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

I would like it if there was an official boon tracking sheet somewhere where you cannlist your boons and Mark that you've slotted them to make it so I dont need to fiddle with a spreadsheet

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

Not to put the pressure on but for the purposes of con scheduling - is it reasonable or unreasonable to expect it to be sanctioned by May?

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

One step closer to the end of days.

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Man holy crap

WHERE IS ROVAGUG?

This is the real central mystery of this setting.

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I love it as a potential promotional boon - it feels right there on the level with a reroll or extra RP.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

I tend to side with the "you can use these things in whichever mode, but its generally more effective when you're in the correct mode" and that Altronus is just badly mistaken.

The Exchange ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, North Carolina—Charlotte aka eddv

I like how the elemental there is posed exactly the same way as the one in Cosmic Captive.

Confirmed that Y2 is the SFSs struggle against Hsurshsa

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TOZ wrote:
How can you not love the Gobfather making an offer you can't refuse?

Very easily.

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Ugh more goblins. After Treasons Chains, I am just done with scenarios featuring the buggers.

Go away. Just. Go away goblins.

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DeathQuaker wrote:


Adding flavor text will NOT fix the playtest document's problem. If your (hypothetical) Thundering Strike ability starts with "Your mighty hammer makes a deafening KABOOM! when you strike the ground," and THEN follow it with incomprehensible jargon-laden stereo instructions, that doesn't change the fact that it's incomprehensible stereo instructions. It's just incomprehensible stereo instructions that ALSO waste verbiage and layout space on (often) unnecessary fluff.

Generally speaking, Paizo's writers have almost always done a good job of writing mechanics clearly without being overly complicated, and their editing cycle catches the things that slip through. I can only hope that the playtest document was just "raw footage" as it were, without a lot of actual text review, and the finished document will be up to their usual high standard.

Just to revisit this point but it does something the overall magic and feel of the game to write it that way. Like if you were so ashamed of the "Mathfinder" label as they seemed to be in several of their decisions they certainly did a lot of reinforcement of that with their writing style.

In comparison, I was just today perusing the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay book and while I still don't know what I think of that game I was instantly hooked by the way it was written and presented and nearly purchased it despite having no income at the moment (woo government shutdowns).

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