The OA planes stuff isn't even Golarion-specific; it's an occult take on the multiverse, and it actually conflicts with the arcane/divine take on transmigration in Golarion (see the River of Souls article in the back of Mummy's Mask, which is also a really great article). The intention was that it's not the truth on the planes, but it is a truth, and it's the one that some occult scholars believe to be a hidden underlying truth (that's why there's an awesome art of Enora and Rivani in a nerdrage argument about the way the planes work, which I really enjoyed). Giving the opportunity for multiple interpretations of the multiverse and underlying mysterious truths to reveal is part of the theme of OA, so that's what the book did. It also made the Boneyard available for naming, which before it had to be called Purgatory (as I know from writing a 3pp book that referenced it), which is pretty cool!I really loved that part of OA. Among other things, it presented a worldview which offers a real alternative to the "but you have to worship a god because of the afterlife" arguments that have been around for a very long time. I've been toying with the idea of an Esoteric Magus who has chosen to follow the paths of the manasaputras. I think it would be interesting to have a character that views the gods merely as powerful allies or enemies rather than as beings which should be worshiped. I would expect there to many interesting roleplaying opportunities beyond just "nerdrage" arguments. (And I hadn't noticed the topic of conversation in that picture. That is hilarious.)
That's a cool concept! B5 should have some content to help you out with that (not that you should buy a monster book solely to find content that helps refine the philosophy of a PC, naturally, but I love when we find space to explore those things in monster entries and intro pages for a monster type).
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Panotti?They were statted in the module Murder's Mark like I said, and their stats are on d20pfsrd. They're basically humanoids with a few racial hit dice that have ears big enough to serve as cloaks or wings. They're usually neutral good but don't take being made fun of for their appearance lightly. They really appealed to me as a semi-friendly weird humanoid race from exotic lands, which is backed up as their origin as one of the races allegedly from the land of Prester John.
They're not in Bestiary 5, and are unlikely to have much else going on with them anytime soon.
Well can't to find out everything that is in B5.
They're not in Bestiary 5, and are unlikely to have much else going on with them anytime soon.Panotti?They were statted in the module Murder's Mark like I said, and their stats are on d20pfsrd. They're basically humanoids with a few racial hit dice that have ears big enough to serve as cloaks or wings. They're usually neutral good but don't take being made fun of for their appearance lightly. They really appealed to me as a semi-friendly weird humanoid race from exotic lands, which is backed up as their origin as one of the races allegedly from the land of Prester John.
Aww... oh well.
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All the cool things get a hard nay from JJ... Drop Bears, Ravids, Almiraj and wolpertinger (which made it anyway) and now my favorite race from mythology the Panotti.
I wish JJ was so harsh on Elemental Drakes and environment Giants.
If it is because they are to "comical" I find Colour out of Space more hilaric, and every environment has evolved its own giant species less likely than a race that have evolved their ears and hearing abilities.
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All the cool things get a hard nay from JJ... Drop Bears, Ravids, Almiraj and wolpertinger (which made it anyway) and now my favorite race from mythology the Panotti.
I wish JJ was so harsh on Elemental Drakes and environment Giants.
If it is because they are to "comical" I find Colour out of Space more hilaric, and every environment has evolved its own giant species less likely than a race that have evolved their ears and hearing abilities.
Wait, he said no to ravids.... What possible reason could he have?
We have the Almiraj in a hardcover bestiary and the Wolpertinger was in a past AP. I would love to see the Ravid back or even a Drop Bear.
I never get tired of elemental/environmental drakes and giants. I hope we will get a colossal size Mountain Giant or a Crystal Drake or Storm Drake.
For me such elemental/environment stuff is cheap and becomes boring after book 2.
Im happy we got the bunnies. But I dont think JJ was very flatterend with them. :-p
I am really glad that the anunnaki are in Bestiary 5. I hope Pathfinder appropriated what I looked up on them.. some really weird stuff lol. I want to create some Campaign that involves them and the Greys. I really like how pathfinder takes weird urban legends and stuff and creates a cool backstory and stats, I want to see more of that. Example: Jersey Devil, Mothman, anunnaki, Greys, etc...
Sewer Gators anyone?
That's a cool concept!The OA planes stuff isn't even Golarion-specific; it's an occult take on the multiverse, and it actually conflicts with the arcane/divine take on transmigration in Golarion (see the River of Souls article in the back of Mummy's Mask, which is also a really great article). The intention was that it's not the truth on the planes, but it is a truth, and it's the one that some occult scholars believe to be a hidden underlying truth (that's why there's an awesome art of Enora and Rivani in a nerdrage argument about the way the planes work, which I really enjoyed). Giving the opportunity for multiple interpretations of the multiverse and underlying mysterious truths to reveal is part of the theme of OA, so that's what the book did. It also made the Boneyard available for naming, which before it had to be called Purgatory (as I know from writing a 3pp book that referenced it), which is pretty cool!I really loved that part of OA. Among other things, it presented a worldview which offers a real alternative to the "but you have to worship a god because of the afterlife" arguments that have been around for a very long time. I've been toying with the idea of an Esoteric Magus who has chosen to follow the paths of the manasaputras. I think it would be interesting to have a character that views the gods merely as powerful allies or enemies rather than as beings which should be worshiped. I would expect there to many interesting roleplaying opportunities beyond just "nerdrage" arguments. (And I hadn't noticed the topic of conversation in that picture. That is hilarious.)
Well, now I have to try it. :)
B5 should have some content to help you out with that (not that you should buy a monster book solely to find content that helps refine the philosophy of a PC, naturally, but I love when we find space to explore those things in monster entries and intro pages for a monster type).
I was going to buy the book anyway. I've found lots of inspirational material in the bestiaries, so I consider them well worth the price. But some info on the philosophy of the manasaputras would be particularly welcome. At the moment, the character is vague mix of Kwai Chang Caine and Aang in my head, but a little philosophical background will probably help bring his/her story into focus.
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I am really glad that the anunnaki are in Bestiary 5. I hope Pathfinder appropriated what I looked up on them.. some really weird stuff lol. I want to create some Campaign that involves them and the Greys. I really like how pathfinder takes weird urban legends and stuff and creates a cool backstory and stats, I want to see more of that. Example: Jersey Devil, Mothman, anunnaki, Greys, etc...
Both Jersey Devil and Mothman were already described in Pathfinder bestiaries, respectively as Sandpoint Devil and, uh, Mothman.
I wonder what other urban legends or cryptids made it into B5.
Has it been stated wich AP is the cut off point for reprints?
I wonder what other urban legends or cryptids made it into B5.
Has it been stated wich AP is the cut off point for reprints?
I cant find the exact post but I seem to remember James Jacobs saying that Hell's Rebels might be the cutoff point for it. Failing that, I imagine it would be Giantslayer.
Usually the Bestiary lags 2 APs behind in regards monster inclusion. I would guess Mummy's Mask might be the cut off.
I'm pretty sure that Iron Gods was the most recent AP we pulled monster from.
Confirmed.
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Orang-Pendaks, Vanaras, and Humans....eck to many monkeys...would of been nice to get a wolf and bunny anthro (since there is that harrow card) PC races. /slight joke but serious about more anthro races.
I am really happy to hear more familiars though.
Cool, the cut off AP is Iron Gods, plenty of aliens and robots in that one to choose from.
Orang-Pendaks, Vanaras, and Humans....eck to many monkeys...would of been nice to get a wolf and bunny anthro (since there is that harrow card) PC races. /slight joke but serious about more anthro races.
I am really happy to hear more familiars though.
Yes! And some are Clockworks!
I wonder if the clockworks require I. Familiar feat.
I wonder if the clockworks require I. Familiar feat.
I'm assuming they will. The earlier version did.
I hope there aren't too much critters from Iron Gods in this bestiary though, that anemone monster is one of the only ones I wanna see, and the porcupine, but probably all the robots make it in.
Mummies Mask on the other hand, I hope most monsters make it in.
The living wall, does that mean we never get a Japanese Nurikabe in a bestiary?
But then again, we also have fire drake and fire dragons, so why not two living wall creatures.
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Also, a Mindflayer and Displacer (yes, i know, i drop some salt in the wounds... but still im pretty sure that Paizians would make a greater and better job interpretating those creatures at their bestiaries than D&D did, does, and will do).
Until they become OGL (unlikely), Paizo can't use certain properties like beholders and illithids.
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And the proto-displacer beast, coeurl, was already stated in Pathfinder. You just need to hunt down the book it was in, because it is one of few monsters Paizo published that are not OGL.
For anyone interested: Pathfinder Adventure Path #22: The End of Eternity. ^_^
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Well, the fact that it is there does not mean it should be there ;) Here's some more official info on that.
I really wish the coeurl was OGC, I would love to see it in a hardcover bestiary. Also it would be a great fit for ether Castrovel or Akiton.
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Phantoms and spirits will undoubtably be in this.
What is funny to me is no body seems to have noticed that the spiritualist class has a pet that can walk through walls, become immune to anything except magical attacks and other things that actually can affect intangible enemies. Drop a phantom against a room of mundane, non magical enemies, and watch as they either flee the room to get help, allowing you time to open the door from the inside, all die trying to kill the intangible phantom that is probably strangling the life out of each one in turn, or unlock the door you are behind and open up the way to your party to continue into the dungeon.
Phantoms and spirits will undoubtably be in this.
What is funny to me is no body seems to have noticed that the spiritualist class has a pet that can walk through walls, become immune to anything except magical attacks and other things that actually can affect intangible enemies. Drop a phantom against a room of mundane, non magical enemies, and watch as they either flee the room to get help, allowing you time to open the door from the inside, all die trying to kill the intangible phantom that is probably strangling the life out of each one in turn, or unlock the door you are behind and open up the way to your party to continue into the dungeon.
People did notice this, it's why the final version has more limitations on its movement than the playtest version.
The Brains moles will be different from there classic version we know.
The Brains moles will be different from there classic version we know.
Yes, but I hope they are a little bit similar.
Why? The D&D Brain Moles were terrible. I hope they turn out extremely different.
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Why? The D&D Brain Moles were terrible. I hope they turn out extremely different.
I'm sure you do.
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Why? The D&D Brain Moles were terrible. I hope they turn out extremely different.I'm sure you do.
Brain Moles:
Not directly related to a mythical creatureYou can pronounce their name
More than 50 people in the world have heard of them
They don't fit any of the criteria for Myth Lord to like them
BRAIN MOLES!!!! Now even the mammalitics are wanting in on the parasitic brain eating shtick. Is no where safe???We also introduce a bigger, meaner brain mole alongside them <_<
a psychic buggane?
Why? The D&D Brain Moles were terrible. I hope they turn out extremely different.I'm sure you do.Brain Moles:
Not directly related to a mythical creature
You can pronounce their name
More than 50 people in the world have heard of themThey don't fit any of the criteria for Myth Lord to like them
Phthisic, Intellect Devourer, Mind Flayer, Crysmal, Cerebrilith:
Not directly related to a mythical creature
You can pronounce their name (at least if you are European it seems)
More than 50 people in the world have heard of them
They fit any of the criteria for Myth Lord to like them.
If you can't pronounce Karkadann, Cherufe, Kamaitachi or Batibat, that is your loss.
But free favorites is always nice, more people play that game.
Brain Moles were together with Disenchanters the creatures from D&D that desperatly needed a change. They are in every list of worst/most bizarre D&D creatures I see out there.
I always liked my own version of the Brain Mole more, never cared for real world animals in fantasy world (I love animals beside the fantasy world though) so normal looking moles with psychic hunger are boring for me yeah, give them a better look and i'm in love with them.
And I can't wait to see the bigger meaner Brain Mole.