
Neongelion |

John Kretzer wrote:I really doubt not using that quote to open the foreword would have changed how people think at all.Imbicatus wrote:In other words, Clarke's Third Law is wrong.Of course it is...well in regards to Golarion(or in any world where magic does exist). Because Clarke assumes magic does not exist. So the whole law is based on a faulty logic(well in a fantasy setting where magic does exist).
Personally I was kinda of disappointed in seeing the quote in the first page. Now people will be telling me my expert in magic will not recognize tech as a non magical thing. Sigh.
Otherwise the book is pretty cool from my skim through.
I mean.
It convinced me for all spellcasters in my Golarion to hurl globs of grey goo at people instead of magic now. It's not fireball anymore, it's nanomachines! GREY GOOOOOOO

Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |
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What does the fighter archetype do? Pretty please! :)
Cybernetic Combat (Ex): At 5th level, a cyber-soldier gains a +1 bonus on attack rolls with implanted weapons, cybernetic arms, and melee or thrown weapons wielded with a cybernetic arm. Weapons wielded with two cybernetic arms receive double the bonus, except when such weapons are thrown. This damage bonus increases by 1 for every 4 levels gained. This attack bonus does not stack with the attack bonus for weapon training. A cyber-soldier gains a slam attack for each cybernetic arm. These attacks deal 1d6 points of bludgeoning damage for a Medium cyber-soldier and 1d4 points of bludgeoning damage for a Small cybersoldier.
This ability replaces weapon training 1.
Improved Implantation (Ex): At 7th level, a cybersoldier can exceed the normal limitations on cybertech implantation. Her brain and body slots each accommodate one more piece of cybertech than normal. In addition, her limit on implantation points increases by 1/2 his cybersoldier level. She can allocate these points between his Intelligence and Constitution scores as she chooses. At 15th level, her body slot can accommodate two more pieces of cybertech than normal.
This ability replaces armor training 2 and 4.
Resilience (Ex): At 19th level, a cyber-soldier has a reservoir of 5 temporary hit points for each piece of implanted cybertech in his body. Lost temporary hit points are recovered at the rate of 10 points per hour.
This ability replaces armor mastery.

Ed Reppert |

You would have a basis for discussion on a magic system based on Mr Bonewits' theories of magic in the real world. Magic on other worlds such as Golarian need not follow the same criteria.
Well, now. That's debatable. If, as Mr. Bonewits contends, magic is just as subject to the laws of physics as anything else, then magic on Golarion would follow the tenets of his theory just as much there as on Earth — unless the laws of physics are different.

John Kretzer |
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John Kretzer wrote:I really doubt not using that quote to open the foreword would have changed how people think at all.Imbicatus wrote:In other words, Clarke's Third Law is wrong.Of course it is...well in regards to Golarion(or in any world where magic does exist). Because Clarke assumes magic does not exist. So the whole law is based on a faulty logic(well in a fantasy setting where magic does exist).
Personally I was kinda of disappointed in seeing the quote in the first page. Now people will be telling me my expert in magic will not recognize tech as a non magical thing. Sigh.
Otherwise the book is pretty cool from my skim through.
Probably not....damn that Clarke and his entirely misunderstood quote...
I Blame Cosmo.

jimibones83 |

jimibones83 wrote:Magic is not part of the laws of physics hereTell that to Isaac Bonewits, author of Authentic Thaumaturgy and Real Magic and the only person in modern history to have received (much to the University of California's chagrin, I suspect) a degree in Magic from a major US university.
Real Magic was Bonewits' dissertation, still available from Amazon.
Authentic Thaumaturgy is an adaptation of the principles in the dissertation to a D&D like RPG environment. It's available on the net as a free pdf, or from amazon.
I have so much to say but I think I'll skip it all and get right to the point. Ba Hahahahaha!!!

Squeakmaan |

Imbicatus wrote:You would have a basis for discussion on a magic system based on Mr Bonewits' theories of magic in the real world. Magic on other worlds such as Golarian need not follow the same criteria.Well, now. That's debatable. If, as Mr. Bonewits contends, magic is just as subject to the laws of physics as anything else, then magic on Golarion would follow the tenets of his theory just as much there as on Earth — unless the laws of physics are different.
But we already know that magic, in Golarion, isn't subject to the laws of physics like everything else, just the rules of magic.

Luthorne |
Ed Reppert wrote:But we already know that magic, in Golarion, isn't subject to the laws of physics like everything else, just the rules of magic.Imbicatus wrote:You would have a basis for discussion on a magic system based on Mr Bonewits' theories of magic in the real world. Magic on other worlds such as Golarian need not follow the same criteria.Well, now. That's debatable. If, as Mr. Bonewits contends, magic is just as subject to the laws of physics as anything else, then magic on Golarion would follow the tenets of his theory just as much there as on Earth — unless the laws of physics are different.
No offense, but if we're going to get into yet another Is Magic Technology Or Not discussion, or a What Are The Laws Of Physics Anyways discssion, can it be in a thread that isn't one for discussing the product? I mean, sure, it's an interesting discussion and all, but when I'm in this thread, I'd like to hear people's opinions about the book, or information about the book's contents, and while 'I think that spell makes no sense' is on-topic, I think we're steadily moving away from what's relevant to the thread. Pretty please? :)

The Demon Lord of GMs |
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I HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! being so far away from Paizo HQ.
The fact that I separated from it by a massive mountain range also may factor in. Also, I ordered it just last week.
I blame Cosmo.
COOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
KHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

Krinn |
Krinn wrote:What does the fighter archetype do? Pretty please! :)** spoiler omitted **
Very thanks!
Can't wait to put my hands on the book, and see the rules regarding cybernetics and implanted weapons!I guess androids would have some sort of affinity to cybernetics! :)

Axial |
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Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:Why didn't they just name it "Street Samurai" and be done with it? Awesome.Krinn wrote:What does the fighter archetype do? Pretty please! :)** spoiler omitted **
You bring up a good point. Using the Technology Guide, you could literally play Shadowrun using the Pathfinder rules.

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MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!

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MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
Thats cool. Hopefully more people get there stuff today!

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doc the grey wrote:Thats cool. Hopefully more people get there stuff today!MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
No kidding. I've been sitting here with this stupid s~&! eating grin since I started reading and I can't get the damn thing to go away.
I CAN HAVE A MOTHER F~%*ING CHAINSAW!!!!!!!!!

christos gurd |

brad2411 wrote:doc the grey wrote:Thats cool. Hopefully more people get there stuff today!MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
No kidding. I've been sitting here with this stupid s!~& eating grin since I started reading and I can't get the damn thing to go away.
I CAN HAVE A MOTHER F@~&ING CHAINSAW!!!!!!!!!
tell me there are integrated weapon rules.

Major_Blackhart |
Chainsaw is easy enough I think. It will require some sort of energy source, otherwise it is near useless. 2 handed weapon.
In it's useless state, it should do 1D8 damage and a simple x2 critical.
In it's powered state, it does 2D8 damage and has a 18-20/x2 or 19-20/x3
critical threat range. The powering matrix lasts X number of turns per combat, or 24 hours based on some sort of common element. Or it resolves damage at touch AC or something.

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doc the grey wrote:tell me there are integrated weapon rules.brad2411 wrote:doc the grey wrote:Thats cool. Hopefully more people get there stuff today!MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
No kidding. I've been sitting here with this stupid s!~& eating grin since I started reading and I can't get the damn thing to go away.
I CAN HAVE A MOTHER F@~&ING CHAINSAW!!!!!!!!!
YES! But I have only seen the words I have yet to read them. I also have people of the stars, Iron Gods 1, and ALL THE SCENARIOS I HAVE TO KNOW FOR GENCON that I'm also trying to read. It's like the worlds greatest mental seizure is occurring on my computer.
As for the Chainsaw the damage is dumb high, stupid good crit, and has the deadly and the distracting quality. Seriously it does d12 on the small version it's beautiful. Now it is not cheap but god do I want one now for my pfs fighter.

Odraude |
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MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
You made me believe I got mine tonight :p
My hopes and dreams dashed ;)

jimibones83 |

Wow there's really a chainsaw? Crap that's awesome!
I believe its actually some sort of chainsaw sword. There was something similar to it in the d20 Modern Future book. Yur right though, it is way awesome. The illustration of the orc holding it is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

SACplayin |
doc the grey wrote:MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
You made me believe I got mine tonight :p
My hopes and dreams dashed ;)
Well I didn't preorder so I have to wait till Thursday :(. Super Excited Though.
People please tell me how amazing is the Power Armor? The Lasers? I must know for Science!

Troodos |

Artemis Moonstar wrote:Well all of ACG will be on prd.I... But... AAAGHH!!!
This or ACG, this or ACG!?
I hate being poor.
TELL ME THERE'RE TESLA CANNONS! I MUST SHOOT ELECTRICITY AT PEOPLE!
Tesla to me = Einstein to Dexter (Dexter's Laboratory)...
FOR SCIENCE!
So will this
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doc the grey wrote:MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
You made me believe I got mine tonight :p
My hopes and dreams dashed ;)
Happy to be of service my aberrant chum. If it makes you feel any better there is also a giant grappling spear gun that can haul people in and I now really want to give to an orc on boarback.

Tels |

Wait, the tech guide's going to be on the PRD? I figured it'd show up on the Archives and the SRD, but I thought the "campaign setting" materials didn't show up on PRD?
The Tech Guide will be the exception because the content of the book is necessary to run the Iron Gods AP. Paizo always puts the rules necessary for an AP up on the PRD.

Insain Dragoon |

James! Quick question about technological weapons weapons.
Say I have a player who picks up an Inferno pistol. Say the player is a level 5 gunslinger.
When he fires his Inferno pistol is it (d6+Dex+deadly aim) fire damage or is it d6 Fire damage + (dex+deadly aim) weapon damage?
Really applies to a lot of weapons and is going to matter in book 1-2 for sure.

christos gurd |

doc the grey wrote:tell me there are integrated weapon rules.brad2411 wrote:doc the grey wrote:Thats cool. Hopefully more people get there stuff today!MINE CAME!!!!
Last thing I expected was to get my downloads on a Saturday! Also this is not making all my prep for Gencon any easier.
Now all I need to know is if I can have a CHAINSAW in pfs and I am set. I have a 2-handed qlippoth fighter who I wanted to have a chainsaw but was about to settle for the gnome pole.
Come on Mike! Make my dreams come true!
No kidding. I've been sitting here with this stupid s!~& eating grin since I started reading and I can't get the damn thing to go away.
I CAN HAVE A MOTHER F@~&ING CHAINSAW!!!!!!!!!
please, i beg anyone. I need to know if i can start slaying undead with a chainsaw hand.

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James! Quick question about technological weapons weapons.
Say I have a player who picks up an Inferno pistol. Say the player is a level 5 gunslinger.
When he fires his Inferno pistol is it (d6+Dex+deadly aim) fire damage or is it d6 Fire damage + (dex+deadly aim) weapon damage?
Really applies to a lot of weapons and is going to matter in book 1-2 for sure.
An inferno pistol can't deal "weapon damage." It deals fire damage, and any additions to that from Deadly Aim or sneak attack or whatever is the same type of damage as the type generated by the weapon.
So in this case it's all fire damage.