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The new hags RULE. I've never felt particularly inclined towards using hags before but now I NEED to include them in my campaign. The fairy tale/literary themes really make them fun.


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Kelseus wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
Hm. No ghast in here. Looks like the ghoul soldier replaces it. Yes? No?
All a ghast was was a level 2 ghoul. Only thing it had over a regular ghoul was stench, and now all ghouls get that.

Yeah I bet ghasts will be reintroduced as the Lovecraft version at some point.


Have the algollthus been changed much?


Kelseus wrote:
Troodos wrote:
Are there any animals? Dinosaurs/pterosaurs especially? (The pterosaurs from the Bestiary need a serious rework IMO)
yes, no surprises. Pteranodon is essentially unchanged, 10 fewer hp.

Still no swim speed and bad land speed? :/


Are there any animals? Dinosaurs/pterosaurs especially? (The pterosaurs from the Bestiary need a serious rework IMO)


Kelseus wrote:
Just got my PDF, willing to answer questions.

What changes to the fiends and celestial lineups? Are there replacements for things like lillends, pit fiends, and solars?


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CynDuck wrote:
Kelseus wrote:
Just got my PDF, willing to answer questions.
Are there any changes to the giant lineup? I'm curious if they got hit by the OGL stuff like dragons and hags did.

Marsh, Stone, Frost, Fire, Cloud, Shadow, and Rune.

Just glancing at Frost Giant, they loose Catch Rock and Throw Rock, gain Nature Skill and Reactive Strike. Otherwise same.

Similar changes for Stone Giant. No Catch Rock and Throw Rock, but get reaction to swat away a projectile, and can create a rock and throw as a single action.

Do they have new art?


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Berselius wrote:
I wonder if they'll have to redo any of the Archfiends in this? Some Demon Lords are probably out the window as their probably exlusively WotC property but what about some Archdevils (aka Dispater, Geryon, and Mammon come to mind)? Would Charon be an issue?
Mammon being a greed and money focused fiend is lifted straight from mythology. I don't know much about the rest, but since nothing is said about them, I presume they're safe.

Yeah and Geryon's role and a lot of other aspects of Hell in D&D and prior PF products are lifted from the Divine Comedy. They might need to go with the mythical spelling of Dis Pater but I dont think anything else would need to be changed.


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NGL I was kinda hoping for an antlered nature god of a dragon, but I am still very glad to see the classics return.


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Why does the concept art mention fire breath?


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Gnollvalue wrote:
Troodos wrote:
Tridus wrote:
Still worried about Shelyn, here.
I’d be pretty pissed if they killed off Shelyn. She’s been used as a poster child of PF’s queer rep, and it’d be obnoxiously edgy to kill her off given her role in the pantheon.
I don't like this take, as I feel like it diminishes Shelyn as a character. Yes, it's easy to show her artwork with Sarenrae and Desna to a queer person and say "Poly Lesbians=Pathfinder Good" but if you presented me with the same characters with the same dynamic and told me nothing bad and permanent would ever happen to them under threat of being edgy or "burying the gays" I'd roll my eyes. If there are no stakes, there isn't really much of a conflict...

I'm not saying that queer characters should always be immune to death or other stakes. I'm saying that when a character is widely promoted as a queer character and embraced by queer fandom, it'd feel kinda gross if they were then killed off as what is, when it all comes down to it, a marketing gimmick. Because beyond what I'm sure are legitimate storytelling reasons for whatever death is coming, it is also very much being presented as a publicity stunt to hype up War of the Immortals.

The concern about being overly edgy is not about queer rep either, it's a separate concern on my part that killing off a goddess whose role is basically to be kind to everyone and to promote the idea that anyone can be beautiful would feel like it's just trying too hard to be as dark and mean-spirited as possible.


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Tridus wrote:
Still worried about Shelyn, here.

I’d be pretty pissed if they killed off Shelyn. She’s been used as a poster child of PF’s queer rep, and it’d be obnoxiously edgy to kill her off given her role in the pantheon. Plus it’d immediately make Zon Kuthon completely boring as a character. I’m against the move to kill off a deity in general, especially now that Asmodeus, the only one who felt like he’d contribute as much by his death as continuing to live, is marked as safe, but Shelyn would be the absolute worst choice for them to make imo.


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Honestly, I find it confusing and a little frustrating that "nephilim" is used as a singular noun in this book when other 2e beings like the einherjar have been pretty good about fixing that error. -im is a plural suffix, and while religious texts always refer to the nephilim in plural it's easy to extrapolate "nephil" or something similar from it.


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It should also be noted that while Arazni absolutely was a victim, she's now a GOD. That kinda shifts the power dynamic A LOT, and means that any actions she takes towards people who aren't at least demigods are not going to rationally be done for the sake of survival. While it's hard to say how a god's mind works, there's probably some level of trauma response there, but the actual danger has largely passed. It adds another layer of complexity to her situation. Obviously trauma doesn't make someone evil but if you are on a scale of power that massively outweighs 99% of beings in the multiverse, it can be trivially easy for that trauma to become something that is used as an excuse for abusing others.

In some ways it could easily become a sort of supercharged version of real-world cycles of abuse if she doesn't acknowledge that power in her interactions with others.


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Honestly killing off a core deity feels really lame to me and more like the gimmick of a comic book event than something I want to see in an RPG setting. It feels super limiting especially since Pathfinder's pantheon is one of its strong suits which draws me to the Lost Omens setting over many others.

It also feels kinda mean to players who've built characters worshiping that deity or otherwise tied to them; while home games won't be directly affected and a GM can say that it didn't happen in their game it still doesn't feel great to people invested in that god and their faith as a part of the setting. Plus I assume for organized play it'll really mess up those whose characters are based on that god.

I have a very hard time seeing how this could open up more opportunities for stories, characters, and adventures than it closes.


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Really hoping that the changes to the starship combat will make it feel more integrated with the rest of the game. My biggest gripe was that it felt like it was an entirely different game that's only loosely connected to what characters are normally doing


All of my attempted purchases keep getting money put on hold and then rejected. I've tried multiple cards and it's still doing this. What can I do so I can actually buy the books I need?


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Love having a disabled iconic for Starfinder, that's super rad


My players just finished up We're No Heroes, but they escaped from the rendezvous point without killing Deminda. The book says that Sinjin will kill her if she fails, but that feels like a waste given how much of an impression she made on my players. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to incorporate her into future adventures?


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As an autistic person who owes much of his social life to this company's games, this means so much to me, thank you!


I for one would love to see more of the Ramiyel. Their origins fascinate me.


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Wait... HOW THE HECK DIDN'T I NOTICE THAT THE TASHTARI ONLY HAVE THREE LEGS UNTIL NOW???


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Very happy for Stheno, hopefully they adapt the Euryale from 1e in this so we can finally have monsters based on all three sisters!


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Trying to put together a group to play this ASAP! I've read through the first two books and I really love the tone it sets for really making the players feel like a part of this universe! Honestly this is exactly the kind of thing I've wanted since the game was announced.

That said, I do wish this AP was available for Roll20. I've noticed that Starfinder APs dont have much support in that regard, which is a shame.


Rhunny wrote:
That dragonkin is a dead ringer for my SFS character. He's a corporate agent always trying to hire people off of the society for his own organisation

I dont think that's a dragonKIN


I'm fighting between the conflicting urges of "this seems really cool" and "I'm already way behind on like three actual play TTRPG podcasts"


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Troodos wrote:
As someone whose homebrew setting relies on guns, this is very exciting for me. That said, I'm quite sad to lose Lirianne even if the new gunslinger looks really cool.
Considering that Dwarves who live in the Mana Wastes were the ones who invented black powder weapon in the Inner Sea Region, I like the idea that the new gunslinger iconic is a Dwarf.

Oh, yeah, she looks really cool and it's a good idea to have a dongun dwarf. But I'm still attached to the old character


Ed Reppert wrote:
Troodos wrote:
I'm quite sad to lose Lirianne even if the new gunslinger looks really cool.
Has Paizo said that if they appoint a new iconic for a class the old one is no longer available? I must have missed it. Although, come to think of it, I don't know how easily certain PF1 class iconics (gunslinger, alchemist, magus, summoner for starters) can be ported to PF2.

I'm just referring to seeing her in artwork.


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TBH I never found goblins particularly intimidating but seeing one in life-size would probably change that! This is spectacular, though I'm sure it's way out of my price range


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As someone whose homebrew setting relies on guns, this is very exciting for me. That said, I'm quite sad to lose Lirianne even if the new gunslinger looks really cool.


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I hope we get a book that similarly expands magic, it feels like the fantasy part of Starfinder is a little neglected, which can be disappointing since that's a big part of its appeal for me.


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Seltiyel is wearing a SHIRT??? I am offended


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TBH the main reason I'm buying this book is Meyanda being on the cover


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Why does it say PDF unavailable?


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Still disappointed about losing Alahazra but this character's pretty neat. Love the descriptions of Gozreh and the elemental lords, and the whole "drowning and returning as a prophet" bit reminds me of a more functional Aeron Damphair. Plus I'm just always a sucker for storm-themed characters.


This is a mature and understandable decision to come to. While I personally think there is still room for fantastical police forces that represent what law enforcement *should be* while being critical of the current nature of such institutions (see Sir Terry Pratchett's Watch novels) such stories need to be made cautiously and with intent, and in an interactive medium like this it is very reasonable for people to feel uncomfortable with such content, particularly in times like this. The truth is that, regardless of any hypothetical ideal of what police "should" represent, Paizo and many of its fans reside in a nation where that institution is fundamentally flawed and violent, to the point where I myself probably wouldn't be comfortable playing a police character, even though I'm white (though I am disabled which is another risk multiplier for police violence).

I understand why a few people are concerned about this, but while I would be 100% fine with an AP exploring a police force if it was written with care and understanding regarding the issues surrounding real world police institutions, that's not what this is about. I'm not the kind of person who thinks all characters should be shiny paragons of justice, but the issue is if the *work* the police is doing is made to look 100% heroic there will be problems, and by their own admission that seems to be what this AP is doing.


Both of these are great to see


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Oh crap, Meyanda's staff is made from her old spiked gauntlet! :0


I love this


MaxAstro wrote:

It would be awesome if that were Meyanda - she became a major character in my Iron Gods campaign.

But I'm pretty sure the default assumption is that she died, so it seems unlikely...

The clothing is identical to hers, so I can't imagine it's anyone else.


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MEYANDA!? MY GIRL IS BACK!?


Anyone else having an issue adding the PDF to their cart? I keep getting a "Your request produced an error" message


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What do y'all mean "Gaston"? That's clearly skinny Obelix!


why is this in the February releases on the front page if it isn't out until late March?


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Yay, a full-body image of Casandalee where she doesnt have a gaping hole in her chest! :D


Was hoping for Iron Gods but this is cool too


I'm really excited to hear we're gonna get an announcement about future PF comics, I love them so much!


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"Beyond the Beyond"

*Flashbacks to The Stone of Cold Fire*


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James Jacobs wrote:


For the record, I've always envisioned Desna's pre-humanoid form to be more like a glowing light space moth. Think Mothra, but made out of stars and prismatic sprays and sparkles.

That's pretty much how I imagined her. Love it.


OH THANK GOD. I've been needing this

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