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James far be it for me to tell you how to run Paizo, BUT if you don't do a follow up book to this one you are an insane person who hates money.I've been called worse.
Almost sounds like a compliment to me.... :)
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... As it stands, there are several technological melee weapons that resolve against touch AC and deal energy damage, but that aren't light sabers or Thundarr's sword. If those are items you want in your game, as James has said above and elsewhere, they may be able to be added to the AP in a later volume, or you can extrapolate from the rules that are presented in this book and Iron Gods to formulate your own.
Lords of light! No Sunsword? Demon dogs!
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Raawrrrr rrwarrraw rowrrrew rooarrawrr raarrrr rarr rwaolrrr! :)
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Am I the only one fantasying about possibly making a Galen (from Babylon 5: Crusade) themed Technomancer?
So is this the final cover or a mock-up?
I thought I had seen that pic before.
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Rules for AI.
How many minutes after release do you think it will be before we'll see a conversion of S.H.O.D.A.N.?
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Rules for AI.
How many minutes after release do you think it will be before we'll see a conversion of S.H.O.D.A.N.?
The Ileosa form is dead, insect.
Maybe the rules for crafting technological devices will be a feat(s) that anyone can get not just spell casters.
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With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.
This may be the book I have looked forward to more than any book every written for and RPG if done right. Of course I will steal and modify these things to fit my Space Wizards campaign.
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James, are any of the Iron Gods books going to have lower tech items like Lever action or semi auto slug throwers? I think gunslingers need them as the current black Powder rules just suck IMO as they have unrealistic rates of fire. I think Pazio needs to do a redo on the firearms rules Increase the damage and reduce the rate of fire to a max of 2 shots a round.
I am really looking forward to Iron gods and will buy all of the AP and books for it.
What I'm wondering is if any of this stuff will be PFS legal...
Probably not. Actually, definitely not.
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What I'm wondering is if any of this stuff will be PFS legal...
Probably not. Actually, definitely not.
Why definitely not? No point jumping the gun on what will or won't be legal until we hear from the campaign admins.
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Why definitely not? No point jumping the gun on what will or won't be legal until we hear from the campaign admins.What I'm wondering is if any of this stuff will be PFS legal...
Probably not. Actually, definitely not.
especially considering how many of the scenarios from season 6 seem to give the sense that we will be heading to Numeria or dealing with it's stuff.
Maybe the rules for crafting technological devices will be a feat(s) that anyone can get not just spell casters.
Indeed. It would be inexplicable, AFAIC, that spellcasters could be the only ones to craft technological items.
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I'd like to see the opposite personally. Only non-spellcaster characters could craft tech items.
Give it an Arcanum feel where technology and magic doesn't mingle very well.
...Then provide a series of elaborate feats to let magic users craft a single type of tech item, such as "boot" or "metal weapon". Call it... Apprentice Craftsman.
I don't think Paizo is going the whole 'technology is incompatible with magic' route, or they probably would have mentioned it somewhere. As it stands, my understanding is this AP is about what happens when you mix magic with technology, so it's not going to be a case where one causes the other to malfunction or something.
Especially considering the technomancer is supposed to be someone who has or can blend the two, if I am not mistaken.
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With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.
Mecha are well beyond the scope of this book. In fact, vehicles of pretty much any kind are beyond the scope of this book. At 64 pages, we had to focus in pretty much on just elements that directly impact the Iron Gods Adventure Path and Numeria itself, and fully functional technological vehicles, especially giant ones, are not really a part of either.
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James, are any of the Iron Gods books going to have lower tech items like Lever action or semi auto slug throwers? I think gunslingers need them as the current black Powder rules just suck IMO as they have unrealistic rates of fire. I think Pazio needs to do a redo on the firearms rules Increase the damage and reduce the rate of fire to a max of 2 shots a round.
I am really looking forward to Iron gods and will buy all of the AP and books for it.
No. This book focuses pretty much entirely on high-tech stuff. "Modern" weapons, AKA 20th-21st century firearms, do not have a place in this book.
In any case, I have a gunslinger in my group and after seeing that character over the course of a year or so in play, I completely disagree about the claim that the rules "Just suck." That gunslinger regularly does over a hundred points of damage a round, and is EASILLY competing for damage with the paladin and the fighter and the wizard.
Also, as a side note, using language like "rules just suck" is not a productive way to encourage a discussion. We're always open to constructive criticisim, but the key word there is "constructive." A better way to say that would have been "the current black powder rules are insufficient, in my opinion."
Word choice and phrasing matter.
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There will be rules for crafting technological items in this book.
Whether or not they are available to PCs is entirely left to the GM, though, since once you open those rules up to the PCs, then technological items become a lot more prevalent and commonplace.
Iron Gods does NOT assume PCs have access to these rules, but the items themselves, the rules for creating them, and the way they're balanced is modeled after the economics and rules and regulations for magic item creation, so from a strict power-curve/balance viewpoint, allowing technological item creation in your game won't impact the power level any more than does allowing magic item creation, especially since both use similar resources (time and gold).
Spellcasters can use the rules to craft technological items, but so can nonspellcasters, and neither one has a built-in intrinsic advantage over the other. Magic spells and Spellcraft ranks are not required for crafting technological items. They have different requirements that I'm not ready to talk about yet. Mabye in a few months...
Would the movie Treasure Planet, be a more accurate depiction of technology in Numeria/Iron Gods than something like Star Wars?
This could change some things I have planned in two campaigns in most interesting ways. Dotting to remind myself to pre-order it when I have money.
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I guess Mass Effect combined with Gamma World would be a pretty good way to look at things.
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I am already painting privateer press miniatures for all of this
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especially considering how many of the scenarios from season 6 seem to give the sense that we will be heading to Numeria or dealing with it's stuff.Why definitely not? No point jumping the gun on what will or won't be legal until we hear from the campaign admins.What I'm wondering is if any of this stuff will be PFS legal...
Probably not. Actually, definitely not.
Given the reveal of Destiny of the Sands II, I think that anything Paizo publishes is fair game to show up in a PFS mod from hereon.
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Would the movie Treasure Planet, be a more accurate depiction of technology in Numeria/Iron Gods than something like Star Wars?Nope.
I guess Mass Effect combined with Gamma World would be a pretty good way to look at things.
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With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.Mecha are well beyond the scope of this book. In fact, vehicles of pretty much any kind are beyond the scope of this book. At 64 pages, we had to focus in pretty much on just elements that directly impact the Iron Gods Adventure Path and Numeria itself, and fully functional technological vehicles, especially giant ones, are not really a part of either.
I suppose that's fair. Don't wanna complicate things too much. Respect.
A bit off-topic, perhaps, but going back to my original post: will there be more Kaiju entries released in the future? :P
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I don't think Paizo is going the whole 'technology is incompatible with magic' route, or they probably would have mentioned it somewhere. As it stands, my understanding is this AP is about what happens when you mix magic with technology, so it's not going to be a case where one causes the other to malfunction or something.
If technology were incompatible with magic, we wouldn't have the spellslinger wizard archetype.
I don't think Paizo is going the whole 'technology is incompatible with magic' route, or they probably would have mentioned it somewhere. As it stands, my understanding is this AP is about what happens when you mix magic with technology, so it's not going to be a case where one causes the other to malfunction or something.If technology were incompatible with magic, we wouldn't have the spellslinger wizard archetype.
that may depend entirely on the level of technology, black powders fine but digital gets interference.
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Sounds like a Dresden Files relationship concept (between wizards and technology).
It's fluid in Dresden Files. It probably interfered with black powder at one point. It's mentioned that in olden times, magic tended to make flames burn odd colors and curdle milk in a wizard's presence.
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With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.Mecha are well beyond the scope of this book. In fact, vehicles of pretty much any kind are beyond the scope of this book. At 64 pages, we had to focus in pretty much on just elements that directly impact the Iron Gods Adventure Path and Numeria itself, and fully functional technological vehicles, especially giant ones, are not really a part of either.I suppose that's fair. Don't wanna complicate things too much. Respect.
A bit off-topic, perhaps, but going back to my original post: will there be more Kaiju entries released in the future? :P
Well... the list in Bestiary 4 certainly proves that there are more kaiju to stat up, yeah? ;-)
Well... the list in Bestiary 4 certainly proves that there are more kaiju to stat up, yeah? ;-)With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.Mecha are well beyond the scope of this book. In fact, vehicles of pretty much any kind are beyond the scope of this book. At 64 pages, we had to focus in pretty much on just elements that directly impact the Iron Gods Adventure Path and Numeria itself, and fully functional technological vehicles, especially giant ones, are not really a part of either.I suppose that's fair. Don't wanna complicate things too much. Respect.
A bit off-topic, perhaps, but going back to my original post: will there be more Kaiju entries released in the future? :P
James, you just made getting out of bed worth the effort today.
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With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.
How about some DOOM monsters as well? Cyberneticly enhanced fiends from the lower planes invading your campaign world? Cause you say HELL YES! ^_^
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With the introduction of Kaiju presented in Bestiary 4, and hopefully some expansion on that subject in the future, I hope this book presents at least a baseline for Mecha so I can run a Pacific Rim inspired game on Golarion.
How about some DOOM monsters as well? Cyberneticly enhanced fiends from the lower planes invading your campaign world? Cause you say HELL YES! ^_^
As long as I get my chainsaw...oh, and a shotgun :)
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Got you covered on the Chainsaw, R!
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How about some DOOM monsters as well? Cyberneticly enhanced fiends from the lower planes invading your campaign world? Cause you say HELL YES! ^_^
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Nice cover! Some kind of Kellid barbarian with cybernetic upgrades vs. an elf with similar? (Either that, or she's wearing some kind of technological body armor.)
Love the cover. :)