Pathfinder Second Edition Character Sheets

And for anyone who can answer this, what is the design behind the AC? Is that a suit of armor? A shield? I can't tell.

It's a suit of armour.

(I just seem to recall that I've seen that shape before).

That's what I thought too.

And for anyone who can answer this, what is the design behind the AC? Is that a suit of armor? A shield? I can't tell.

I believe it's from an existing piece of art, but I can't remember which.

I believe it's based on the suit of elven chain on p. 356 of the Playtest Rulebook.

kevin_video wrote:

And for anyone who can answer this, what is the design behind the AC? Is that a suit of armor? A shield? I can't tell.

GentleGiant wrote:

I believe it's from an existing piece of art, but I can't remember which.

I believe it's based on the suit of elven chain on p. 356 of the Playtest Rulebook.

Indeed. I just scoured the blogs to see if I could find it. Found it in... the playtest armour blog. ;-)

Thank you for this!

When can we start running PFS 2.0 Adventures?

Where caqn we find the printer friendly version?

Where caqn we find the printer friendly version?

First paragraph, last sentence.

Why not include TEML values as a faint numbers right in each entry? Like this:
https://imgur.com/a/m1tnb2L

I'm afraid I have to agree with most of the people here who don't like the new sheet.

The color version is way too busy. It's one thing for the sheet to pop, but all the bright colors draw the eye away from the important bits, which is what the player actually writes on the sheet!

I'm also miffed that there seem to be boxes for everything. That's helpful for knowing where to put stuff, but it also makes it very hard to be flexible. Even if there were a "misc" box to put stuff that didn't go elsewhere, that would help. But I'm in the camp that thinks character sheets should be a bit messy. There should be room to write in that your character has a +2 to bash open doors because she rolled nat 20s on three consecutive door-bashings and everyone decided she's somehow an expert at it. Or the extra feat that her god granted her after she did a particularly great service. Or a place to write the name of that one NPC in the margin who sold the PC her sword.

Having lots of little boxes for everything makes it hard to go "outside the box" (literally!) and also looks intimidating for a new player.

I also find that having a big blank space to write in class features/feats is much better than a bunch of little narrow boxes. Some things take up way more room to describe than others, and for most characters, you will never get up to level 20 anyway. I'd much rather just have a big blank column labeled "Class Feats" and let the player choose how much to write there (or not).

GM zebeev wrote:

kevin_video wrote:

And for anyone who can answer this, what is the design behind the AC? Is that a suit of armor? A shield? I can't tell.

GentleGiant wrote:

I believe it's from an existing piece of art, but I can't remember which.

I believe it's based on the suit of elven chain on p. 356 of the Playtest Rulebook.

Indeed. I just scoured the blogs to see if I could find it. Found it in... the playtest armour blog. ;-)

I feel like it would have been a good idea to use something a bit more recognizable as the backdrop. A nice, basic heater shield shape, for example would work well and be instantly recognizable.

When can we start running PFS 2.0 Adventures?

The game releases August 1st!

Today I created a new top level folder in my Drive; 'Pathfinder 2'

Felt like a momentous occasion.

Thank you to everyone a Paizo for the year of joy you have already given me and the years of joy to come.

Vic Wertz wrote:

We have released a font that includes the action symbols as part of the Pathfinder Second Edition Compatibility License (not part of the Community Use packages).

That's great for 3PP.

Less so for.... pretty much anyone who wants to make power cards or homebrew feats for personal use. You shouldn't have to resort to pirating a font or registering as an official publisher to homebrew.
And it's not idea for Paizo to have to "approve" endless waves of GMs registering as compatible publishers just so they can make NPCs and monsters that look right.

Given every single character will have four or five feats that unlock different actions, being able to make cards or cheat sheets will be a must. And typing [A] and [A][A] looks lame...

For homebrew stuff, you could use unicode symbols to approximate:

Looks like someone uploaded form fillable character sheets here:

https://queuetimes.com/fillable-character-sheet-for-pathfinder-2e/

Way too busy and spread out for my taste (which seems weird to say both at the same time), but the AC calculation just sprawls, has a bunch of little boxes, redundant boxes and the shield bonus (for when it applies) is way away from the default AC number.

Having a PROF box and TEML boxes is part of the problem for space concerns all over the first page, and since you'll only ever have one apply at a time and they're part of the PROF calculation, they seem redundant. [And weird since level + prof seem like separate bits to me, not just one thing together]. And since weapon and armor proficiency are tracked separately on the same page, its very redundant to have the string of TEML boxes repeated over and over again.

Actions, free actions and reactions buried on the third page is just strange to me, especially since its after a bunch of background detail that you won't be looking for when you're trying to remember what you can do. I'd rather have more room in the feats and features sections to have the info on actions with the relevant source it came from.

Can't even parse the boxes attached to spells. There is a blank under actions, but tick boxes for each type of action (which don't even apply to several casters). I can't figure out why you'd need the blank. Most spells are just S, V- tick both and call it a day.

Can't see using these over writing things on a piece of note paper. A single sheet, most of the time.

[And weird since level + prof seem like separate bits to me, not just one thing together]

I really hope someone makes a custom sheet that just has a box for proficiency bonus and then the words "+Level" next to that in place of the TEML boxes - not only would that feel less busy, it would mean less rewriting your character sheet every time you level up.

Adding my voice to the whole "ye gods, my eyes" reaction I had when I first opened the color one. I will never be using the color version, and not just because of the ink it kills. Black and white is better, but if you think this is going to be LESS intimidating to a new player, oh god you're wrong. I mean, it's four pages, and it's endless, endless boxes. Yeah, not every class will use all those boxes, but compared to the classic sheet, this seems like a flood of information you have to process here.

I second the notion that you really didn't need to reproduce all four TEML boxes as many times as it's reproduced. ONE box after each relevant spot in which the player writes the current TEML value would have done it, and would remove 75% of all those tiny boxes.

I look forward to seeing the various fan modifications that will inevitably result (several of which already have so far).

Just wanted to say I actually appreciate all the TEML boxes everywhere. Especially with the blank boxes next to them in the weapon proficiency bit for when you're trained in some martial weapons but not all, or in a specific weapon.

The character sheet is a face of your game. This isn't a good first impression at all.

There are a lot of good ideas in this thread, but I've gone from buying the sheet pack as a PDF to not.

◈ Single Action

◈◈ Two-Action Activity
◈◈◈ Three-Action Activity
⟐ Free Action
⤾ Reaction

Those are good suggestions, thanks!

I'm using emoji in my statblock template, but I've added these to the notes section for folks who prefer them (or if I end up liking them better than the emoji when I start printing out characters)

I tried some unicode characters at first but they didn't "pop" enough in the statblock for my liking. (They weren't as good as these, though, I just grabbed the first that came to hand. So I will have to try these out.)

For homebrew stuff, you could use unicode symbols to approximate:

◈ Single Action
◈◈ Two-Action Activity
◈◈◈ Three-Action Activity
⟐ Free Action
⤾ Reaction

Wow, nice find. I might actually prefer those to the real thing...

Doodpants wrote:

◈ Single Action

◈◈ Two-Action Activity
◈◈◈ Three-Action Activity
⟐ Free Action
⤾ Reaction

Those are good suggestions, thanks!

I'm using emoji in my statblock template, but I've added these to the notes section for folks who prefer them (or if I end up liking them better than the emoji when I start printing out characters)

I tried some unicode characters at first but they didn't "pop" enough in the statblock for my liking. (They weren't as good as these, though, I just grabbed the first that came to hand. So I will have to try these out.)

Increase the font size and/or bold, perhaps?

Doodpants wrote:

For homebrew stuff, you could use unicode symbols to approximate:

◈ Single Action
◈◈ Two-Action Activity
◈◈◈ Three-Action Activity
⟐ Free Action
⤾ Reaction

Wow, nice find. I might actually prefer those to the real thing...

Thanks! My secret weapon is this searchable database of Unicode characters. I searched for "diamond", and then "arrow", to find these symbols. Other interesting diamonds are: ❖ ⬖ ⬗ ⬘ ⬙.

I wonder if they can add a way to use the action, etc. symbols on the forums similar to how WotC let people use the mana symbols from MtG on their forums back in the day.

I've created some lower-contrast character sheets based on suggestions made in this thread. I just overlaid some transparent white boxes over each page with varying amounts of opacity (range 10–60).

Download the greyscale character sheets here.

I was really hoping that the landscape sheets from way back in the playtest would make the final cut. They were so cool and unique, but now we're stuck with another boring (and ugly) portrait layout.
I am however, looking forward to the character sheet packs. And I do wanna say thanks for making the "printer-friendly" black and white ones for us to download.

Can we please get a copy of the character sheet that doesn't make you show the math to get to the numbers? It's like your math teacher making you show all your work. People have already begun doing this and it looks great

https://twitter.com/WinghornPress/status/1154814826419564544?s=19

Another problem I noticed is that a lot of the sheet is wasted at low levels

I have further modified the B/W character sheet.

Changes include:
- All "Prof" boxes removed
- Grey used for text that doesn't need to pop-out at you too much (looks less busy when you fill it in)
- Most of the empty Ability Mod boxes have just been replaced by the Ability Mod.
- Cleaned up the look of the Action type and proficiency keys in the upper left of the front page.

To do:
- I want to replace the armor image with a shield silhouette or something.

LINK

I like them, thanks Paizo for getting these up so soon.

Noice!

And, Thank you!

I have further modified the B/W character sheet.

Changes include:
- All "Prof" boxes removed
- Grey used for text that doesn't need to pop-out at you too much (looks less busy when you fill it in)
- Most of the empty Ability Mod boxes have just been replaced by the Ability Mod.
- Cleaned up the look of the Action type and proficiency keys in the upper left of the front page.

To do:
- I want to replace the armor image with a shield silhouette or something.

LINK

These are really awesome! Thank you for sharing.

DropBearHunter wrote:

. . . but what about a professionally crafted electronic character sheet?

How about HeroLab Online?

Have they improved it since the playtest? I tried to use it at a con and found it next to useless. You can't rely on having reasonable web access everywhere, that to me makes it a non-starter.

Anyone working on form-fillable versions yet?

Why not include TEML values as a faint numbers right in each entry? Like this:

https://imgur.com/a/m1tnb2L

While it is a good idea, you are supposed to fill in the boxes up to and including your current level, so all you would see would be 0 0 6 8, so at a glance it would look like the value is 6 instead of 4.

Looks like someone uploaded form fillable character sheets here:

https://queuetimes.com/fillable-character-sheet-for-pathfinder-2e/

Linkified.

Guys, you know I love you but I really can't get behind this sheet at all. I just don't like it and I'm already anxious to give this out to my players. I've been "in design" for 20 years and this goes against so much of what I've learned in that time, I don't know how it was signed off on.

Who did the Playtest sheet? That person should have been asked to do this one. I know somebody probably put a lot of work into this and I'm really not trying to sound mean, it's just not the look or feeling I think PF2 deserves.

At least you've given me a summer project! I'll be throwing my hat into the redesign ring too.

You know, just taking the brown areas away instantly makes it infinitely prettier.

No brown sheet

I'm pretty much a Paizo Stan these days, but...

I think I'll just wait for Sadie to make new sheets.

I've removed the brown boxes out of the entire sheet, changed the strange armour/AC icon to something a little more instantly recognisable and imported the fillable form made by the excellent people at QueueTimes.

If you want to take a look/download here you go:

No Brown Sheets

I'm pretty much a Paizo Stan these days, but...

I think I'll just wait for Sadie to make new sheets.

I'm flattered. It'll be a while, though - I only just got the book, so there's a lot of work still to do before my character sheets are ready.

Albatoonoe wrote:

I'm pretty much a Paizo Stan these days, but...

I think I'll just wait for Sadie to make new sheets.

I'm flattered. It'll be a while, though - I only just got the book, so there's a lot of work still to do before my character sheets are ready.

You can do it ^^ we are rooting for you.

Just be prepared for a whole lot of "we need them we need them we need them. Oh, they're out now? Good, time to complain."

Anyone working on form-fillable versions yet?

Yes, see post #115 in this thread.

Updated my edit of the official B/W character sheet YET again. With the last update I simplified the ranged and melee attack sections on the front page. I removed the TEML boxes since those are already in the weapon proficiency section just below those attacks. I also put a singular damage box and expanded the trait box.

LINK

I've removed the brown boxes out of the entire sheet, changed the strange armour/AC icon to something a little more instantly recognisable and imported the fillable form made by the excellent people at QueueTimes.

If you want to take a look/download here you go:

No Brown Sheets

Wow, you're right. That is a huge improvement.

Thank you (and Queue Times) for the form fillable option as well.

That's alot cleaner, you're on the right track I think. I never noticed how wasted the space around the ability scores was before I saw your update. Definitely room to move things around a little :)

Updated my edit of the official B/W character sheet YET again. With the last update I simplified the ranged and melee attack sections on the front page. I removed the TEML boxes since those are already in the weapon proficiency section just below those attacks. I also put a singular damage box and expanded the trait box.

LINK

I think the key is to remove unnecessary stuff, grey out some text and spread stuff out a bit. The less compacted and full stuff is, the less intimidating it is to new players. Also, for me at least, the easier it is to use in play.

Edit:
I think I do need to modify things a bit more in the Melee/Ranged attack section. Its just too big. I am also not sure why there are 3 melee attacks and 3 ranged attack sections. While some may use all that, I think it might be best to just have 4 general attack sections (that can be ranged or melee). I have a feeling that I can open up quite a bit of space there and the sheet will remain very usable for 99% of folks.

I will work on that later and post another update. Once I got it where I want it, I will make a form fillable version.

I like the overall look and layout of the PF2e sheets. (Just started book 3 of Reign of Winter for my twice a month Sunday group) so I’m not sure how soon I’ll be running (or playing) a PF2e game, but I’m eager to give it a try. (Lol. Yeah, I’m biting the bullet and taking the plunge).

Also ... not at all to derail ... but is it just me, or are the monster stats blocks and/ or NPC stat blocks (for PF2e) very similar in layout etc to Starfinder? (I’ve been looking/side by side comparing) and to my eyes there seems to be a similarity. (By the way, not a complaint whatsoever). Just a observation/question.

Peace